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Old 12-29-2010, 11:06 PM   #5101
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The negative (justified or not) stigma surrounding an occupation of Online Poker Player is just too much I think. The "cold, calculating, and lazy" perception would be some players opinions like you said - which has obvious negativity towards the goal of winning -, but it probably goes even further than that. Our comfort level in games of incomplete information and our greater understanding of EV than the average contestant would also be viewed as strengths. These obvious strengths noticed by intelligent opponents coupled with the negative perception from the average/below average ones would result in a huge target on our backs before we even opened our mouths.
I suspect you may be overthinking this a bit. 'They' more than likely think poker is primarily a game of chance and have no idea what EV means.
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Old 12-29-2010, 11:22 PM   #5102
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I suspect you may be overthinking this a bit. 'They' more than likely think poker is primarily a game of chance and have no idea what EV means.
All I really meant is that to people with no real knowledge of the game - and that'd be most of them - we would have to face the "cold, calculating, and lazy" negative perception that our game has associated with it. The few people that DID have some sort of knowledge with it though would see those other strengths - the comfort level and understanding of things like EV - and see it as a threat. So by saying "I play poker for a living", we'd very possibly be targeted for one of those two reasons before saying another sentence.

I definitely didn't mean to imply the other 17 people would all be discussing EV knowledge or anything. Although I'm definitely aware that my opinion on this matter may be incorrect.
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Old 12-30-2010, 09:45 AM   #5103
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Anyone bought anything from the ebay Survivor auction yesterday?
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Old 12-30-2010, 03:17 PM   #5104
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Can anyone tell me if Lady Gaga is really a twit, or does she just get a bad edit on The O'Reilly Factor?
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Old 12-31-2010, 08:44 AM   #5105
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Re: Survivor: Nicaragua

who is a better survivor winner fabio or sandra?

fabio is more likable and better at challenges and they both have the same strategy of anyone but me. But at this point in the game its bad to be overly likable and too skilled at challenges.
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Old 12-31-2010, 10:14 AM   #5106
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who is a better survivor winner fabio or sandra?
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Old 12-31-2010, 10:59 AM   #5107
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who is a better survivor winner fabio or sandra?

fabio is more likable and better at challenges and they both have the same strategy of anyone but me. But at this point in the game its bad to be overly likable and too skilled at challenges.
Fabio by a wide margin since he was good at a couple aspects of the game while Sandra was terrible at everything except avoinding being voted off.
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Old 12-31-2010, 11:52 AM   #5108
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besides knowing kirby is a beat at MTTs from the great white north, and that kart was at a ME feature table thus played the ME, and that boc is supernova, i'd be very curious about all the posters ITT and their actual poker playing
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Old 12-31-2010, 01:17 PM   #5109
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who is a better survivor winner fabio or sandra?

fabio is more likable and better at challenges and they both have the same strategy of anyone but me. But at this point in the game its bad to be overly likable and too skilled at challenges.
Hard to say for sure, they had pretty similar games. Sandra seemed WAY more aware of the social dynamics, but that doesn't mean Fabio wasn't. I'm excited to see Fabio come back for an All-Star season.
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Old 12-31-2010, 01:38 PM   #5110
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sandra because fabio had to go on an immunity run to make the final - IMO

I thought sandra played well on HvV - haven't seen her first season
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Old 12-31-2010, 01:49 PM   #5111
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I don't know if you guys realize just how bad a winner Fabio is. This season would've been a whole lot more enjoyable if the editors didn't have to go out of their way to constantly make Chase look like an idiot to explain why he lost in front of the jury.

The jury vote has to make sense to the viewer. So the editors first attempt to explain why the winner won. If they don't have enough material for that (See: Danni, Amber, Sandra both times), they make the story about why the loser lost.

If Chase gets one more ***** vote, the whole season gets edited differently and you all would've liked Nicaragua a whole lot more.
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Old 12-31-2010, 02:39 PM   #5112
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Pretty sure Chase constantly went out of his way to make Chase look like an idiot. What are you talking about? He got so many votes because he had a good final tribal, otherwise he would have lost by more. Everyone wanted Fabio out because they thought he would win - not sure how that's an undeserving winner.
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Old 12-31-2010, 02:44 PM   #5113
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Just wondering:

I've tended to stay away from these threads during the season due to a fear of spoilers, but would really like to participate in discussion and stuff with you guys as everyone seems pretty damn intelligent about the game. I had HvV ruined for me at the merge on a different forum with an actual boot list

I know spoiler posts get deleted, so can someone tell me if this season was ruined in here for anyone? Would I be able to chat about 22 with you all and not worry about spoilers etc?
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Old 12-31-2010, 03:11 PM   #5114
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Pretty sure Chase constantly went out of his way to make Chase look like an idiot. What are you talking about? He got so many votes because he had a good final tribal, otherwise he would have lost by more. Everyone wanted Fabio out because they thought he would win - not sure how that's an undeserving winner.
According to post season interviews Brenda and Alina only voted for him b/c they were afraid no one else was going to.
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Old 12-31-2010, 03:24 PM   #5115
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According to post season interviews Brenda and Alina only voted for him b/c they were afraid no one else was going to.
I saw that... but honestly I think they changed their minds at tribal, voted for Chase, then regretted it and made up that they were doing it to be nice. However, I have no idea. Either way, Chase was pretty damn lucky to get 4 votes. This season sucked and if Chase had won it definitely wouldn't change that, although it would be a fitting conclusion.
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Old 12-31-2010, 04:10 PM   #5116
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I saw that... but honestly I think they changed their minds at tribal, voted for Chase, then regretted it and made up that they were doing it to be nice. However, I have no idea. Either way, Chase was pretty damn lucky to get 4 votes. This season sucked and if Chase had won it definitely wouldn't change that, although it would be a fitting conclusion.
Not to channel boc too much, but I don't personally tend to trust the edit over the contestants.
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Old 12-31-2010, 04:50 PM   #5117
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Pretty sure Chase constantly went out of his way to make Chase look like an idiot. What are you talking about? He got so many votes because he had a good final tribal, otherwise he would have lost by more. Everyone wanted Fabio out because they thought he would win - not sure how that's an undeserving winner.
I never called Fabio an undeserving winner. I don't even think there's such a thing.

I'm just saying that if Chase wins, his edit is completely different. His relationship with Brenda isn't shown to make him look like a "lapdog". That reward with him, Holly, and Jane doesn't get such a negative, "this is a gigantic mistake" tone. The viewers wouldn't be pounded over the head with "Chase is an idiot!" confessionals.

And in the end, I think that all of the effort the editors put into making Chase look bad really brought the whole season down. And having a winner who really only went on an immunity run while not pissing anyone off didn't help much either.
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Old 12-31-2010, 05:30 PM   #5118
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Just wondering:

I've tended to stay away from these threads during the season due to a fear of spoilers, but would really like to participate in discussion and stuff with you guys as everyone seems pretty damn intelligent about the game. I had HvV ruined for me at the merge on a different forum with an actual boot list

I know spoiler posts get deleted, so can someone tell me if this season was ruined in here for anyone? Would I be able to chat about 22 with you all and not worry about spoilers etc?
Yeah, it shouldn't be a problem. I've made it through the last four seasons (the only ones I watched live since I started posting on 2+2) without being spoiled, and most people ITT claim to be unspoiled. There have been times where the general feeling of the thread sort of shifted randomly and made some of us suspicious as to who was/wasn't spoiled, but I'm probably just paranoid. Get a comment blocker for YouTube, don't read comments on Probst/Fishbach blogs, and stay away from Sucks (it's garbage anyway), and you should be fine.
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Old 12-31-2010, 05:37 PM   #5119
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The viewers wouldn't be pounded over the head with "Chase is an idiot!" confessionals.

And in the end, I think that all of the effort the editors put into making Chase look bad really brought the whole season down. And having a winner who really only went on an immunity run while not pissing anyone off didn't help much either.
What about the possibility that the editing is a pretty accurate portrayal of what actually happened out there? That all of those "Chase is an idiot!" confessionals actually numbered higher than other "xyz contestant is an idiot" confessionals? And that Chase actually did more stupid things than others, and really was Brenda's lapdog, and really was wishy washy on his decision making, thus leading to not enough people respecting his game to vote for him, thus making Fabio the winner?

Yes, it's entirely possible that it was the editing that made Chase look stupider than he was, but there's just no reason to think so. It's not like Chase or others came out to say that they felt the editing painted him inaccurately, or that some unseen footage of him being a strategic mastermind got leaked.

I work in television. I'm well aware of the power of editing and footage manipulation to tell a certain story. But it is in fact equally likely that the editing actually toned down is stupid-ness, because they wanted the viewers to still like him, so it could be justified that such a moron still got 4 votes at FTC.

We have no reason to believe that the truth is on one side of the edit or the other, and any doing so is baseless speculation. Frankly, Boc, it seems as silly to me to try to guess how things really went down out there and how the editing has fooled us, as you think it's silly of us to talk about any of the contestants based on how they're portrayed.
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Old 12-31-2010, 06:03 PM   #5120
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Double Down,

I just don't even know where to start in reply to that post. Our views of how the show is produced are just miles and miles apart.
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Old 12-31-2010, 06:18 PM   #5121
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To be clear:

I'm not speculating about whether or not Chase, Fabio, or anyone else in the history of the show received an accurate portrayal in their edits. I don't care.

What I'm stating is absolute fact. If Chase wins, he doesn't get portrayed as a bumbling idiot. No winner EVER is. I wonder if you understand why this is the case.
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Old 12-31-2010, 06:20 PM   #5122
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And before anyone jumps in to say "Wasn't Fabio edited as a bumbling idiot?" Allow me to just say: He wasn't.
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Old 12-31-2010, 06:37 PM   #5123
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i agree with both boc and double down. i think chase was kind of an idiot. I also think he wouldve been potrayed much more postively if he won. Im not sure why boc brought it up though. seems he just likes telling people he knows how survivor edits the show.
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Old 12-31-2010, 06:48 PM   #5124
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I was just discussing why I thought the Fabio win kind of ruined the season. The editors were kind of forced to make the runners-up look bad. Especially Chase, after his tour-de-force FTC.

I like talking about the editing, rather than all the "who's the best player evar?" blather. I'm sorry I guess?
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Old 12-31-2010, 07:10 PM   #5125
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nah i think its fine to talk about the editing. but you talk about it like we have no idea whats going on. But most of us do know whats going on and we just like watching the show not trying to think deep into editing cause then it kind of spoils it. Then after it happens there isnt much to discuss about the editing. I guess there is some stuff to talk about editing. but you dont approach it in a great way.
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