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Old 12-20-2010, 03:36 PM   #4876
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Re: Survivor: Nicaragua

well naonka opens her interview with how happy she is fabio made it. but holly said she thought chase was really lucky. but thats before the questions. so maybe its the other way around with them.
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Old 12-20-2010, 03:44 PM   #4877
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http://www.cbs.com/primetime/survivo...ault&play=true

martys interview explains really well why sash got 0 votes
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Old 12-20-2010, 03:46 PM   #4878
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Out of the 3 finalists, I'm glad Fabio won. Yes he was out of the loop through most of the game, that's because the power alliance cut him out. He changed gears at exactly the right time. His million dollar tears were so clutch, for him to make a friend out of Naonka after how much she hated him, that's an accomplishment on it's own.

Chase was stupid to pick a fight with marty in the FTC. If Chase says "I was dumber than a bag of hammers" does Marty vote for Chase? we'll never know, maybe Marty just wanted to humiliate Chase.

I haven't seen every Survivor season, something I will correct one day, was that the first time a winner didn't have to backstab anybody? Impressive game by Fabio, not one of the GOAT but with the contestants this year, dude was great.
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Old 12-20-2010, 03:47 PM   #4879
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Re: Survivor: Nicaragua

watching dans ponderosa video. not too bad of a result for him. go eat and drink and hugs from kp, brenda and alina
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Old 12-20-2010, 03:50 PM   #4880
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Re: Survivor: Nicaragua

lol they all love dan so much. i wonder if he wouldve won vs sash and holly. i think he mightve
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Old 12-20-2010, 03:56 PM   #4881
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Re: Survivor: Nicaragua

wow. yeah hollys ponderosa video. only alina and brenda came out and said hi. jane said she could rot in hell
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Old 12-20-2010, 04:01 PM   #4882
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The handwriting of the Fabio votes was examined over at Sucks and the wikipedia was updated

Fabio did indeed get the votes of Marty, Dan, Benry and PK + Naonka

Also, Alina is a huge hypocrite

Her boot interview:
Players are usually pretty fired up after they get ousted. And they tend to call the moves of other players stupid when it was only really 'stupid' for their own game and not necessarily for target of their wrath. After having some time to reflect and more season unfolding, I'm sure a person is capable of changing her mind.

Chase never got burned by trusting Brenda. Perhaps Holly saved him from that. Chase never got burned by trusting Jane. Perhaps Sash saved him from that. Everyone was all certian that it was correct to vote out Jane when they did, but it wasn't correct for everyone to do that. Person it hurt most was probably Holly. Person it helped most was probably Fabio as it eliminated another IIC competitor for him. If Jane can win an immunity and allow them to vote out Fabio, Sash might have had a shot at winning a vote at least. Marty is going to have to vote for SOMEONE.

Also, there was a lot of noise berating the alliance for telling Jane she was going, but they had no choice. There was no way Chase wasn't going to tell her so it's probably best for Sash and Holly to actually be in on the reveal even if it's unpleasant/uncomfortable.

People can call Chase a fool all day long, but I believe he is the kind of guy who would have been pretty happy to sit next to Holly and Jane at the end and congratulate one of them for winning. And his game was geared towards moving himself and the people he cared about forward in the game...then, fight it out at the end. When things didn't go his way, he managed not to cut his own throat. When all was said and done, he got more votes than Sash.

And even though Chase AND Sash played a better strategic game than Fabio (at minimum, they knew where the votes were going every TC), neither one of them literally cried at the reunion show about how unfair and stupid the jury was for voting for someone they liked. That's Survivor.
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Old 12-20-2010, 04:12 PM   #4883
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This. Jane was a villain without that strategic edge. Holly was a mf gangster post merge. I wanted her to win so much.
I wanted her to win until she let Jane go. She really should have been fine with going to the end with Jane and Chase. It was too dangerous to herself to attempt to sit next to the biggest goats possible. I thought that was a pretty big mistake that close to the end. I became more okay with Fabio running the challenges and winning after that move. Served them all right.
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Old 12-20-2010, 04:16 PM   #4884
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FWIW, Wikipedia now shows Fabio's five votes as: Holly, Dan, Benry, Purple Kelly, and Marty.

Also, this might make me a nit, but I'm gonna vote a big NO on a S22 thread until the full cast is announced. I don't really see the point in doing it now, and I think it would just end up doing more harm than good.
I refuse to believe anything other than Marty influenced the spineless quitters to vote for Fabio. How does Naonka have a good relationship with Chase, give him her idol, and see him perform well at FTC, then vote for Fabio? It's too strange. I think Marty had the jellyfish programmed going in.

(For the record, this is really just a theory. The refuse to believe stuff was me overstating things again.)
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Old 12-20-2010, 04:23 PM   #4885
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You misinterpret my tone. I enjoy your presence as a high volume poster in the thread, but I'm both astounded and annoyed by your ability to stir up dissension and disagreement by essentially playing devils advocate all the time.

I don't see FrankieBigNuts trolling the survivor threads too much these days and since most regs have you on ignore and most newer posters quote the hell out of you, I can't help but to get involved.
You are complaining about my favorite thing about Kart. If he shuts up, then I get bored and have to do all the dirty work arguing the other side of things and off handedly insulting people. Then, people end up calling me a jerk and hurting my feelings. Keep up the good work, Kart. Save me some grief.

Please don't talk about the original dirt squirrel. I'm afraid if we say his name too much, we might conjure him up like the Candyman or Biggie Smalls.
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Old 12-20-2010, 04:25 PM   #4886
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Did anyone understand wtf Fabio was rambling about at the reunion? Or was that just me that was like wtf is this guy speaking?

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His impression of Purple Kelly.
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Old 12-20-2010, 04:42 PM   #4887
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not exactly 'news' but this interview with shannon is pretty cringeworthy. would read again imo

http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethe...community.html

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How do you respond to the conflict with Sash about his being gay and the NYC vs. Louisianan comment?

"Number one: I'm not a homophobe. Number two: I'm not a sexist. And number three: I did not bash the gay community. What happened was I knew that I was going home whenever I went into Tribal. Chase changed the vote on me and I had no fighting chance. I knew Sash didn't really like any of us. I knew he wanted his minority alliance and all that good stuff. He wasn't one of the votes I needed. I knew I was going home, so I called Chase out and Sash keeps butting in and you know the editing, he kept butting in. I said I knew you were lying when you said you weren't gay. He was acting gay, I called him what I thought he was. I didn't bash that.

All I was trying to do is say Chase is a liar and Sash can't even tell us who he really is as a person, so who are you going to go with, me, someone who's been straightforward the whole time, or a guy who is a liar or a guy who can't even tel us what he is? I don't care what Sash does in his spare time, but I wanted to show that the guy was a liar. If he can't even be honest with who he is ... you might lie about where you live, or what you do, but you as a person? Why lie about it? Say who you really are. I never just point-blanked asked him, I stereotyped the guy and I apologize for stereotyping. They stereotype us down in the South and I stereotyped someone from New York. It had been six days, I stunk, I hadn't really had any sleep, I wanted to eat some food and the guy kept on coming at me, coming at me, coming at me and I snapped."
I see his point but LOL at his candidness.
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Old 12-20-2010, 04:50 PM   #4888
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Chase was stupid to pick a fight with marty in the FTC. If Chase says "I was dumber than a bag of hammers" does Marty vote for Chase? we'll never know, maybe Marty just wanted to humiliate Chase.

I haven't seen every Survivor season, something I will correct one day, was that the first time a winner didn't have to backstab anybody? Impressive game by Fabio, not one of the GOAT but with the contestants this year, dude was great.
So Chase picked that fight? Right. Chase chose the right answer to Marty's question. The next closest answer is 'Fabio', but Chase is polite enough to not mention it because Fabio is a great guy. Marty definately wanted to humiliate Chase, and he just came off looking like an ass himself in my opinion. (I still like Marty okay. We are certainly all capable of being an ass from time to time.)

And there have been plenty of winners who had so little control of the vote offs that you could say they never back stabbed anyone.
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Old 12-20-2010, 05:02 PM   #4889
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So Chase picked that fight? Right. Chase chose the right answer to Marty's question. The next closest answer is 'Fabio', but Chase is polite enough to not mention it because Fabio is a great guy. Marty definately wanted to humiliate Chase, and he just came off looking like an ass himself in my opinion. (I still like Marty okay. We are certainly all capable of being an ass from time to time.)

And there have been plenty of winners who had so little control of the vote offs that you could say they never back stabbed anyone.
I don't see it that way.
For a million dollars you have to be prepared to figure out an answer psychological impossible questions. That doesn't make look Marty like an ass in my eyes.
But I agree that it was a little fishy that he didn't ask any other significant question to the other contestants.
The question is: Did Marty make up his mind before the question or would a specific answer earn Chase the vote. If yes, Marty's question is valid and it doesn't matter how stupid the question is.
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Old 12-20-2010, 05:05 PM   #4890
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I don't see it that way.
For a million dollars you have to be prepared to figure out an answer psychological impossible questions. That doesn't make look Marty like an ass in my eyes.
But I agree that it was a little fishy that he didn't ask any other significant question to the other contestants.
The question is: Did Marty make up his mind before the question or would a specific answer earn Chase the vote. If yes, Marty's question is valid and it doesn't matter how stupid the question is.
And if no?
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Old 12-20-2010, 05:17 PM   #4891
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Dan: These three guys that are up there are basically all idiots and bad people. And it's unfortunate that these three wound up in the final three.

Dan based his vote on competitiveness in the challenges. That's delicious.
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Old 12-20-2010, 05:21 PM   #4892
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Russell and Sash are essentially the same person, so I'm surprised to see Kos being so critical of Sash.
Seriously? I don't think they're really comparable at all, and the only reason the comparison gets made is because they were both hated by their juries. Their games were COMPLETELY different.

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Exactly. I don't think Kos understands the game at all.
I'll ignore the insult and just ask what you think I'm missing. For whatever reason, I think people assume that, because I respect strategy, I don't understand why/how juries vote, which is ridiculous. You can understand how some jurors will vote but still not have any respect for it. The opinions of 7-9 people do not automatically confirm that Player X played better than Player Y (nor do they necessarily un-confirm it), and several jurors have even admitted months after their game ended that they voted for the wrong person. I mean, if you're going to run with that argument, shouldn't you be saying that Fabio is very mediocre since he only beat Chase by one vote?
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Old 12-20-2010, 05:25 PM   #4893
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Bah the Jane fan vote really tilted me alot more than it should have for some reason..

Greatest margin of all time really??. Have I been watching the same ****ing show? Specially after she was voted out and her comments at the FTC I thought there was no chance, she was such a ***** and not to mention that she didn't even get blindsided..

Happy to see Fabio win though but it was a crappy season..

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Old 12-20-2010, 05:31 PM   #4894
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You can understand how some jurors will vote but still not have any respect for it.
In the game, holding this principle is a mistake. You understand that, right? You have to find a way to appeal to jurors on their level. I think that requires some measure of respect for the things they value even if you don't value those things yourself. If your attitude towards someone is that the things they hold dear are irrelevant/stupid...not good for your game.
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Old 12-20-2010, 05:36 PM   #4895
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I only just started watching Survivor last year; is there some precedent behind the "the jury won't give me money because I'm rich" argument that Dan gave?
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Old 12-20-2010, 05:37 PM   #4896
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Probst's comment to Russell at the HvV reunion is probably apropos:
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Kos is still playing a different game of Survivor, one where mastery of Kos's favorite skills is what earns you the million, as opposed to what the game of Survivor actually is - getting to the final tribal council and convincing the jury to give you the money.
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In the game, holding this principle is a mistake. You understand that, right? You have to find a way to appeal to jurors on their level. I think that requires some measure of respect for the things they value even if you don't value those things yourself. If your attitude towards someone is that the things they hold dear are irrelevant/stupid...not good for your game.
Again, you guys are missing the point: you can UNDERSTAND how they vote and still not respect it. In other words, if I got to the FTC and knew all nine people would vote based on need, I would play up the "I'm poor" angle and talk about how much money I would donate to charity. That doesn't mean that I would have any respect for them as jurors and the way that they vote. It's possible to separate the two things from one another, but for whatever reason, people assume I wouldn't be willing or able to do that.
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Kos is still playing a different game of Survivor, one where mastery of Kos's favorite skills is what earns you the million, as opposed to what the game of Survivor actually is - getting to the final tribal council and convincing the jury to give you the money.
No, it earns you MY VOTE. Again, everyone is so quick to jump to conclusions, and I guess I'm not allowed to have a different opinion of how I would vote if I was on a jury.

And this is especially funny since, if the quitters were taken off the jury (something none of the players could control), Chase would have won...yet I don't hear ANYONE praising his game. He actually pwned the **** out of that FTC and probably earned all four of his votes that way, yet all we're hearing today is, "ZOMG FABIO IS A JURY MASTER!"

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Old 12-20-2010, 05:54 PM   #4899
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More I watch of Brenda at Ponderosa the more I like her. Fairly classy. I mean, she got really hosed by Naonka and Holly, but recieved them both warmly. When you contrast her reaction to being put out of the game to the reactions of Jane and Dan it's like night and day.

Alina: I wouldn't vote for Sash because he never played with me.
(In context, she also said she could vote for him because he was powerful at times and that ultimately she was going to try to put her emotions aside and vote for who she thinks played the best game.)

I include the quote because it reinforces what I've said before about how people assign value to a person's game simply because they were on the 'same team' at some point. You tend to get survivor points for playing with others.

I mean Marty's list of great players includes Fabio, Dan, and Benry.
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Old 12-20-2010, 05:58 PM   #4900
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Again, you guys are missing the point: you can UNDERSTAND how they vote and still not respect it. In other words, if I got to the FTC and knew all nine people would vote based on need, I would play up the "I'm poor" angle and talk about how much money I would donate to charity. That doesn't mean that I would have any respect for them as jurors and the way that they vote. It's possible to separate the two things from one another, but for whatever reason, people assume I wouldn't be willing or able to do that.
I actually think you might, but I still like to argue with you about it. It's hard to hide contempt though. You live with people 24/7 you think they aren't going to know that you think they are stupid (or that the things they value are stupid)? I'm not sure, Kos. You might pull it off. I'm not like these others that think you can't, I'm just skeptical.
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