i think chase is really stupid. id pick dan in a mental challenge vs him

im bored. soncy, kartinken, anyone else want to watch a survivor finale from a past season?

I just got home from the bars and am about to get high as a kite. Survivor finale sounds better than blowing off my bankroll, name a season.

Oh well, I chose S9 E8. God I love everything about Vanuatu, except for Scout.

a lot of survivor "mental challenges" are not as much to do with overall intelligence but rather a smaller subset of intelligence. Like there are people who I would say are really smart but probably suck at a lot fo thsoie challenges, and people who are so are overall meh in intelligence who could fare pretty well...

Why female squirrels are so sex-crazed?

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Kart-

Do you care to comment on the fact that two people have now responded to your 100% wrong assertion that it was Chase who initiated the talk to oust Jane?

It is 100% verifiable from the footage they showed that it was Sash and Holly who approached Chase and not the other way around.

Do you understand now why people think that you're a troll? It's either that, or your mind is so warped that it remembers things exactly oppositely of how they went down.

Sorry I fell asleep. I'm still game though :-P

Heres my power rank for the final 5 as sent to Cash Mahne:

Sash - determined to win and capable of manipulating votes to get him his ideal F3. Question is will he pick the right two to take?

Holly - probably wins any final 3 that includes her. Will the others recognize that though?

Chase - may have enough votes to beat sash, but probably not Holly plus Sash.

Fabiola - challenge threat and UTR player has a shot.

Dan - Can't see a way for him to win.

I didn't assert it was Chase's idea. I asserted that he made sure Jane knew it was Sash and Holly's which he did.

It seems to me that people think I am a troll because they don't read what I write. People misunderstand my points far more often than they seem to understand them. This is likely my fault as a poor communicator.

Edit: though what the footage actually shows is Sash acoming up witht he idea, Chase agreeing, then very intelligently getting Holly to state her position before he revealed theirs.

weird. ive not actually broken down the jury vote by vote or anything, but my general impression is that sash is definitely a favorite to get more votes than chase. i predicted that there's a shakeup this time and holly gets recognized a jury threat and ousted, and then, if fabio doesnt win the final immunity challenge, they kick him out before tribal, and sash wins it. i hope it doesnt go down this way! but that's what i'm thinking is likely to happen. i pretty much think chase and dan are both drawing close to stone dead though, with the other three all drawing live (with holly being the strongest) if they make it to ftc.

Much love to anyone who can PM me a link to where I can watch the finale live on Sunday, want to sweat it as it happens.

Predictions? I think the order (most potential jury votes to least potential jury votes) is Holly, Sash, Fabio, Chase, Dan. However, I'm not sure how much the controversy about Jane's mortgage affects Sash's standing with the jury; I could easily see NaOnka or Kelly deciding he's a 'bad person' or some ******** like that and voting for somebody else instead.

The preview shows Dan calling himself a threat and others calling him a threat. I can't see how that's true, and I will be shocked if he gets voted out before F3, but it seems like that might actually happen. If Fabio wins immunity at F5, Holly/Sash/Chase might stick together so that Fabio/Dan can't force a tie at F4 and remove one of them (presumably Holly, but if Holly goes at F5 Sash becomes the target). IMO:

Fabio wins F5 & F4 ICs: Fabio wins
Fabio wins F5 IC but not F4 IC: Holly wins
Fabio doesn't win F5 IC: Holly/Sash wins

i had forgotten about this

Could Sash sue Jane for her dog farm if her comments are lies and it ends up costing him the million? Wouldn't CBS have cracked down on him if he actually made these comments? And wouldn't they have caught them on video?

is it even against the rules of survivor? yau gave dreams a car and that was fine.

CBS is just hoping this thing goes away. It def makes me believe that Sash cant even eat Dan at te FTC though.

I'm pretty sure CBS has an airtight contract that makes it nearly impossible for a contestant to sue another contestant or CBS.

man, I'm rewatching Samoa. Russell was SO much better the first half of this season than anything that followed. Worst case of island fever ever?

I guess because that's an in-game prize and a unique situation that's different. CBS's contract says that there's no sharing of prize money but I think the car is not treated as prize money.

giving up rewards has a very long history in Survivor. It's always been allowed.

To address the intelligence conversation from earlier:

I don't think Survivor casts anybody who is stupid. They do IQ tests on all the contestants, and I would bet money that being smart is a requirement to get on the show.

Dan is obviously an intelligent, successful businessman - he's just not good at Survivor. He's old, and probably very worn out, and that affects his ability to plan. He's not dumb, just not able to cope with the conditions.

Same with Fabio - I bet he's played up his goofball image on purpose. He has the perfect look/voice for people to write him off. Again, I don't think he's played a good strategic game - he's ended up on the wrong side too often - but he's not an idiot. He just plays one on TV.

To restate: nobody on Survivor is stupid. They might be oblivious, bad liars, bad at reading people, or just not good at planning well in the game, but I don't think there's anybody who's legitimately stupid.

Kart, this second comment of yours deliberately communicates that you think it was Chase's idea. For Chase to flip on Jane and have it NOT be his idea has nothing with him being smart enough to flip, it makes him smart enough to have to go with his alliance because they want to flip. To say Chase was "smart" enough to flip you are absolutely saying that he initiated it. A person doesn't get credit for being smart enough for something that he is told.

Also, that second comment saying "making it look like Sash and Holly's idea" absolutely is you saying that you thought it was Chase's idea. As opposed to the first quote where you say he made sure Jane knew that it was Sash and Holly's idea. One implies that he spun the truth and other is saying he's exposing the truth.

Please take to heart your own assertion that you are a poor communicator (the most truthful thing you've ever said in any post) and make some kind of attempt to understand what you convey to us in your posts.

Erik's elimination in Samoa was one of the most satisfying in Survivor history for me.

Agreed, although us having this conversation in of itself is pretty moot because there is no objective definition of "stupid" that can be applied to every person and label them as officially stupid or not stupid. It's a completely subjective descriptor.

That being said, considering how many stupid people there are in the world, (and going by my own ideas of stupid) I would say that there definitely have been plenty of those types on Survivor. I would say that there are certain qualities that color stupidity like obliviousness, ignorance, showing a lack of understanding of logic, strategy, or reason, being a poor critical thinker, being poor at puzzles, etc. All of which are also subjective and based on interpretation, so I will only say that in my own opinion, there have been a lot of stupid people on Survivor.

And yes, Boc, I know it's only based on the footage they've shown, and not the hundreds of hours of footage they decided to leave out showing Kelly P to be a strategic mastermind or NaOnka debating the merits of existentialism
with Chase.

I'm sorry I didn't communicate my point clearly, but it was clearly not deliberate. You saying it was is just you wanting me to be dumber and/or more antagonistic than I am.

The exact words I used mean the same thing, but I can't deny the first one appears to imply something different.

The most important point I was trying to make is Chase is not stupid.