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Old 11-05-2010, 06:51 PM   #2601
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Re: Survivor: Nicaragua

Guys, remember we are raking the top 5 by their chance to win the game, not go deep or position themselves to go deep

Whoever has Naonka in their top5, needs to seriously reevaluate their rankings
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Old 11-05-2010, 07:18 PM   #2602
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Regarding Naonka - think of how easily the Russell seasons could have been edited to show his alliance mates lol'ing at what a goat he is, and play up their strategic brilliance while downplaying his.
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Old 11-05-2010, 07:26 PM   #2603
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Ken's just stirring the pot, jeez. Na is getting a complex, highly-visible, highly-negative edit. Much like Russell did. They're far more comparable than some of you choose to admit.

It's not like if you like Russell then you need to like all villains, but those who love Russell and hate NaOnka probably have some biases.


A better comparison to NaOnka is probably Shane?
+1 to bolded.

Saying Russell and Na have some similar qualities would be one thing. And completely unobjectionable. But to say that Na is essentially a female Russell is just so wrong that discussing it is kind of pointless. But these are the discussions that Ken seems to like to initiate.
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Old 11-05-2010, 07:30 PM   #2604
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Regarding Naonka - think of how easily the Russell seasons could have been edited to show his alliance mates lol'ing at what a goat he is, and play up their strategic brilliance while downplaying his.
I think it would have been tougher than you think.
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Old 11-05-2010, 07:30 PM   #2605
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Re: Survivor: Nicaragua

lol @ all of you getting trolled so hard
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Old 11-05-2010, 07:30 PM   #2606
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Regarding Naonka - think of how easily the Russell seasons could have been edited to show his alliance mates lol'ing at what a goat he is, and play up their strategic brilliance while downplaying his.
thats actually what they did
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Old 11-05-2010, 07:37 PM   #2607
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This is so funny. I actually hate NaOnka, but I want her to win now just so you all will be tilted as hard as I am right now.
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Old 11-05-2010, 07:53 PM   #2608
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Maybe if 95% of her confessionals were "Ahm NaOnka. Ah have the ahdol. Ahm the greatest player of awwwwlll taaahhm." Y'all would love her as much as Russell.
LOL at the Rob C impersonation.
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Old 11-05-2010, 08:01 PM   #2609
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Old 11-05-2010, 08:06 PM   #2610
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If i knew both of them in real life I would probably hate them equally, but Russell is more entertaining and fun than Naonka on the TV show so I hate her more.
I don't even know if that is true. I'm sure they both have loved ones and friends in real life. It would surely depend on the nature of your interaction with them. Plus, it's a game. I'm sure some stuff translates into real life, but the Survivor circumstances are unusual.

And Naonka is plenty entertaining. You people that don't think so are loons. Where does it say you have to like someone to be entertained by him/her?

Eric Cartman is one of the vilest characters I can think of, but I find him very entertaining.
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Old 11-05-2010, 08:16 PM   #2611
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kark, before you got all stupid in this thread (again), i asked myself if i should feel guilty hating her so much (independent of russ...who i didn't even think too highly of back 2 seasons ago). comparing them to make accusations is moronic and if i could rule the world, it would be grounds for execution.

while russ was abrasive, he was a master of the strategic part of the game. he revolutionized the way idols are hidden. his desire to cause chaos was strategic and a little more subtle.

with the exception of nay being nice to alina when she was on the outs, her strategy has been non existent. she appears to be nearly as inept at the social game as russ. the manner in which she found the idol might have done more harm than good (to be determined how/if she ever gets to play it). her desire to cause chaos was driven by frustration at having to (gasp) contribute to the tribe and feeling under appreciated as a result. all notches in the mentally unstable column. and surely there is more to come.

rather than accuse any of us as being misogynists, it would be more apt to just accept the universal truth that b.tches be crazy.

and, if anything, you're the racist (i'm serious). when you come to the defense of a widely accepted crazy/annoying/abrasive person with, according to the edit, no redeeming qualities...and defend him/her while noting race, you clearly have huge underlying guilt issues...probably stemming from the slaves you owned as recently as last week!!!

another universal truth: it's ok to despise people when they are despicable. no matter gender, race, sexual orientation, nationality, etc. especially on an internet message board (where no physical harm is done). the choice to deny that impulse and accuse others of ill will speaks volumes to the delusion that is your life.

i award you no points and may god have mercy on your soul.
I hope a lot of this was supposed to be funny because I chuckled quite a bit. I bolded the part I take seriously and tend to mostly agree with. Except "we don't hate" (<<from an Old Louie Anderson bit where he was imitating his mother.)
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Old 11-05-2010, 08:27 PM   #2612
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I hope a lot of this was supposed to be funny because I chuckled quite a bit. I bolded the part I take seriously and tend to mostly agree with. Except "we don't hate" (<<from an Old Louie Anderson bit where he was imitating his mother.)
Note the name. I don't think he was joking.
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Old 11-05-2010, 08:41 PM   #2613
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Shane wasn't evil, he was just a raving lunatic. Nay more or less keeps it together, she's just a super-villain.

As much as people here hate to admit it, it seems Nay is overall playing a solid game, especially against the field. To say Russell is WAY better or whatever is really naive. Nay is a huge favorite to make final 3, and will likely lose there. And if she does make it there it won't be by luck it will be because of the game she played which, like it or not, was strategic.

I think she's clearly in the the top 5 most thinking players of the whole season even if you assume editing lies about that stuff.
Just to play devil's advocate a bit, if Naonka was a trollish white male, I suspect you might be pointing out how lucky she was that Alina and Kelly B attempted to target Chase's girlfriend instead of her back in the early going. How she would have been first out if not for events out of her control.

She did not get picked for the 'minority alliance' because of her strategic play and if she wasn't in that alliance, she would have been gone again after the food stealing.

Please don't get me wrong. I too believe she's giving the game some thought. More thought than many. And she even has some fair ideas. But if you want to attack biases and be taken seriously, it helps not to not be so biased yourself.
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Old 11-05-2010, 08:42 PM   #2614
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Re: Survivor: Nicaragua

Something I've noticed..

My buddies who watch Survivor and like the NBA think NaOnka is awesome, hilarious, and entertaining

My buddies (and parents) who watch Survivor and don't like the NBA hate NaOnka with a fiery passion and hope she goes home immediately.
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Old 11-05-2010, 10:01 PM   #2615
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Just to play devil's advocate a bit, if Naonka was a trollish white male, I suspect you might be pointing out how lucky she was that Alina and Kelly B attempted to target Chase's girlfriend instead of her back in the early going. How she would have been first out if not for events out of her control.

She did not get picked for the 'minority alliance' because of her strategic play and if she wasn't in that alliance, she would have been gone again after the food stealing.

Please don't get me wrong. I too believe she's giving the game some thought. More thought than many. And she even has some fair ideas. But if you want to attack biases and be taken seriously, it helps not to not be so biased yourself.
I am not defending NaOnka and I don't believe that she is one of the great players in the lifetime of survivor. I merely point out that she is one of the better players this season in my efforts to call out the people who are actually biased.

To make it a bit simpler as this is the 80th time I have been misunderstood I am saying NaOnka = Russell not NaOnka > Russell.

If you recall, I hate Russell. I still thought he was one of the top 5 players in Samoa.

I hate Russell and I hate NaOnka. I started all this b/c I felt those who like Russell and hate NaOnka are prejudice against women and/or Blacks.
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Old 11-05-2010, 11:37 PM   #2616
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The similarities between Naonka and Russell are apparent. They have both done a fantastic job positioning themselves to make the final tc and they both are absolutely drawing stone dead once they get there. If anyone is not willing to concede that point they are definitely deluded. Even still, the way they get there is definitely not comparable other then they both do incredibly dumb stuff.
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Old 11-05-2010, 11:39 PM   #2617
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A quarter of the talk is about her being a bad player and the other 3/4 is about her being a terrible person/*****/hoodrat. If you like Russell as a person and you don't like NaOnka as a person there is prejudice involved. Their personalities are nearly identical. She may be a worse player, but they have precisely the same personality.
I don't want to talk **** about Russell. I want to call out some of the scumbags in this forum for being racist and/or sexist.[/QUOTE]

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maybe it is you who is the racist or sexist one. if you only see russel as a white man and naonka as a black female. you dont see the other differences inside them,. you know???
I think you are correct Variance. How anyone can connect racism, or being a woman hater is crazy talk, and they need to take a look in the mirror about who they are, and stop pulling out the race card, and gender cards.

Russell did things for a reason to weaken his tribe. Na on the other hand did it out of pure anger because people ate what she was cooking. Not to mention Na is no where near the level of a strategist as Russell was. He was able to go twice in a row, with very little downtime to the final three and convinced people, and did major plays. Na has yet to show that.
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Old 11-06-2010, 12:10 AM   #2618
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Jeff: Kristi Yamaguchi?
Chang: Peggy Flemming. You're racist! Just been proven racist by the racist prover.
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Old 11-06-2010, 12:20 AM   #2619
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Jeff: Kristi Yamaguchi?
Chang: Peggy Flemming. You're racist! Just been proven racist by the racist prover.
lol

Though I don't know who Peggy Flemming is.

Also everything in my above post is supposed to be quoted except for my agreement with Variance. Forgot to include the part with [/quote in with Karts.

But back to Survivor what does everyone think Fabio's actual chances of making a all-star season? Jeff said in his blog that he acts that crazy throughout his time on the show.
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Old 11-06-2010, 12:23 AM   #2620
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Can we all please refrain from quoting or referencing Probst blog. Not all of us like spoilers.
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Old 11-06-2010, 12:26 AM   #2621
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Can we all please refrain from quoting or referencing Probst blog. Not all of us like spoilers.
I don't see how it is a spoiler when it only talks about him as a person, and doesn't go into future outcomes. Just that Fabio acts like Uncle Fabio.
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Old 11-06-2010, 12:29 AM   #2622
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I don't see how it is a spoiler when it only talks about him as a person, and doesn't go into future outcomes. Just that Fabio acts like Uncle Fabio.
"throughout his time on the show" is close to spoilerish. Your reference wasn't that bad, nor was Soncy's, it's just a big risk b/c his blog is normally full of them.
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Old 11-06-2010, 12:41 AM   #2623
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"throughout his time on the show" is close to spoilerish. Your reference wasn't that bad, nor was Soncy's, it's just a big risk b/c his blog is normally full of them.
To me throughout is very vague, and doesn't give a exact timeframe. He could have made it to the end, or kicked out early. I think that blog was made a couple weeks ago, but I will not post anymore about his blog entries just in case it may have spoilers. I don't follow Probst and his blogs so I don't know if that is how he actually phrases things for future contestants, and how far they actually go.
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Old 11-06-2010, 12:54 AM   #2624
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I hate Russell and I hate NaOnka. I started all this b/c I felt those who like Russell and hate NaOnka are prejudice against women and/or Blacks.
no you're the only one in here who sounds remotely racist
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Old 11-06-2010, 12:58 AM   #2625
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People who like Russell and hate NaOnka are either racists or more likely misogynists, because they are playing basically the same game, and are just as scummy people as one another. Nay seems a bit smarter than Russell, but just as emotionally immature. I'd love for her to go, but she seems like a lock for top 3.
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