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Old 11-05-2010, 10:59 AM   #2576
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Re: Survivor: Nicaragua

i dont think the people here like russel as a person. they just think hes entertaining tv. i think naonka is too. i obviously wouldnt want to be friends with either of them though. i wanted russel to win the game but i dont want naonka too.
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Old 11-05-2010, 11:03 AM   #2577
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I don't want to talk **** about Russell. I want to call out some of the scumbags in this forum for being racist and/or sexist.
maybe it is you who is the racist or sexist one. if you only see russel as a white man and naonka as a black female. you dont see the other differences inside them,. you know???
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Old 11-05-2010, 11:08 AM   #2578
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maybe it is you who is the racist or sexist one. if you only see russel as a white man and naonka as a black female. you dont see the other differences inside them,. you know???
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Old 11-05-2010, 11:29 AM   #2579
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Re: Survivor: Nicaragua

pics of racists/misogynists or gtfo

Naming them/taking the issue to PMs would be good, I don't want this thread to turn into a massive flame war but vaguely intimating that you think some unidentified people racist/sexist is poor conduct imo

I find Russell pretty amusing at times while NaOnka just hasn't said/done anything funny. Russell isn't someone you'd want to be around 24/7, but I think he'd be tolerable in small doses.
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Old 11-05-2010, 11:39 AM   #2580
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Well I was using very harsh words, so I didn't want to specifically call people out. I want people to consider that these descriptors may apply to them if they have these feelings.

It's not some slight difference in feelings. It's incredibly harsh personal attacks on a black female while praising a white male for nearly identical behavior.

Everyone here knows I am as close to a feminist as a man can get. This is a really sensitive issue for me.

I just want people to consider their motivations. I don't think most people (if anyone) here are consciously racist or misogynist. I think that subconsciously people are letting their prejudices in these areas dictate their feelings.
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Old 11-05-2010, 11:59 AM   #2581
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A quarter of the talk is about her being a bad player and the other 3/4 is about her being a terrible person/*****/hoodrat. If you like Russell as a person and you don't like NaOnka as a person there is prejudice involved. Their personalities are nearly identical. She may be a worse player, but they have precisely the same personality.
A comparison in behavior can be made, sure, but their personalities are not identical. Naonka does it because she is mad. Russell does it because it's fun. (When put like that, which is worse?) For Naonka it's personal. For Russell, not so much.

Also, Russell doesn't wave the flour around in front of everyone before sticking it in his bag and burying it in the woods. I know I'm exaggerating, but Naonka had to know on some level that the risk of getting caught was extremly high. Then, she even told someone who had motive to attempt to use the information against her. The lady is bizarre. Perhaps even clinically bizarre.

I understand what you are trying to do. But it's not going to work. FWIW, you are probably right that they wouldn't like a woman Russell. Although if she was hot...

Why not some comments on ageism and not-so-nice-to-look-at-ism?
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Old 11-05-2010, 12:13 PM   #2582
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A comparison in behavior can be made, sure, but their personalities are not identical. Naonka does it because she is mad. Russell does it because it's fun. (When put like that, which is worse?) For Naonka it's personal. For Russell, not so much.

Also, Russell doesn't wave the flour around in front of everyone before sticking it in his bag and burying it in the woods. I know I'm exaggerating, but Naonka had to know on some level that the risk of getting caught was extremly high. Then, she even told someone who had motive to attempt to use the information against her. The lady is bizarre. Perhaps even clinically bizarre.

I understand what you are trying to do. But it's not going to work. FWIW, you are probably right that they wouldn't like a woman Russell. Although if she was hot...

Why not some comments on ageism and not-so-nice-to-look-at-ism?
Believe me, I hate those things too. The Nay stuff has just been by far the most visible this season. Everytime people beg for gifs that objectify the female players, or talk **** about Holly or Jane (both of whom I think are great) it really bothers me. I like to pick my battles and the NaOnka stuff is by far the more prevalent and tilting for me.

I don't like NaOnka at all, but that's b/c I don't like terrible people. People who like Russell simply can't make this claim.

In deference to boc, I am going on what I am being shown by editors when I call these people terrible.
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Old 11-05-2010, 02:31 PM   #2583
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Re: Survivor: Nicaragua

You don't have to be a racist to hate NaOnka, but it sure doesn't hurt. If you are indeed a racist, there's roughly a 100% chance you despise her.

It's funny how it always comes back to Russell. And it's even funnier watching the Russtards trying to make excuses for him and make distinctions like "ya well Russell steals stuff just for fun and is awesome while NaOnka is a terrible person"

Na could wind up in front of the jury, and she could definitely snag a couple of votes if she does (Alina, Brenda). Russell snagged some votes in Samoa too. Trying to determine which one is a "bigger goat" is futile, and going to be heavily influenced by whatever biases you have.
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Old 11-05-2010, 02:49 PM   #2584
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ok i will try this for now. i would like a kelly purple being hot gif soon though if possible. thanks in advance
i mean, besides challenge/TC scenes and her 1 "i get to milk my own milk" confessional, she just isn't being shown at all

and we thought Brett was bad in Samoa

maybe she pissed off probst somehow or she really has no value to add to the edit or something, i just don't get it
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Old 11-05-2010, 03:26 PM   #2585
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I'm still waiting for this supposed Brenda/Kelly Purple ass gif.
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but, but, but.... benry is a douche

oh and those tits and ass shots are very hard to come by these days (mainly by the exclusion of any KP coverage)

chilltown let me know if you have any gif requests from last episode, and i will be glad to oblige
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give me a time estimate or description of the scene, so I can find it
The scene in question was from last week's episode, 10/27 (at least I think so, since I posted about it on 10/30). There was a shot of Kelly P alone walking towards the ocean with the ass doing its thing...then right away the next shot was of Brenda's ass (more of a close-up than Kelly's shot). They were atmospheric shots I believe, not part any particular storyline. There might have been a helicopter establishing shot of a pretty piece of the island shore immediately before or after.

A while later in the episode there is a shot of Jane's bikini'ed ass walking away from the camera as well. Decent chance they were intentionally lol-showing the contrast.
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Old 11-05-2010, 03:50 PM   #2586
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After reading recent posts, I had to look up Purple Kelly online because I couldn't remember what she looked like. She's pretty hot! And tbh, Jane has a pretty nice ass for a 56 year old.
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Old 11-05-2010, 04:00 PM   #2587
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i mean, besides challenge/TC scenes and her 1 "i get to milk my own milk" confessional, she just isn't being shown at all

and we thought Brett was bad in Samoa

maybe she pissed off probst somehow or she really has no value to add to the edit or something, i just don't get it
Have you watched her secret scenes? She just has nothing to say. She's unbelievably boring.

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Old 11-05-2010, 04:42 PM   #2588
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So you either hate Russell and Naonka the same or youre a racist woman hater, hmm. The fact that you haven't backed off this ludicrous assertion makes me question your mental health.

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Old 11-05-2010, 04:54 PM   #2589
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So you either hate Russell and Naonka the same or youre a racist woman hater, hmm. The fact that you haven't backed off this ludicrous assertion makes me question your mental health.
Don't be absurd. I said racist OR woman hater OR both.
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Old 11-05-2010, 04:57 PM   #2590
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So you either hate Russell and Naonka the same or youre a racist woman hater, hmm. The fact that you haven't backed off this ludicrous assertion makes me question your mental health.
Maybe if 95% of her confessionals were "Ahm NaOnka. Ah have the ahdol. Ahm the greatest player of awwwwlll taaahhm." Y'all would love her as much as Russell.
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Old 11-05-2010, 05:30 PM   #2591
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If i knew both of them in real life I would probably hate them equally, but Russell is more entertaining and fun than Naonka on the TV show so I hate her more.
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Old 11-05-2010, 05:36 PM   #2592
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If i knew both of them in real life I would probably hate them equally, but Russell is more entertaining and fun than Naonka on the TV show so I hate her more.
This is a reasonable stance (though I disagree).
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Old 11-05-2010, 05:49 PM   #2593
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kark, before you got all stupid in this thread (again), i asked myself if i should feel guilty hating her so much (independent of russ...who i didn't even think too highly of back 2 seasons ago). comparing them to make accusations is moronic and if i could rule the world, it would be grounds for execution.

while russ was abrasive, he was a master of the strategic part of the game. he revolutionized the way idols are hidden. his desire to cause chaos was strategic and a little more subtle.

with the exception of nay being nice to alina when she was on the outs, her strategy has been non existent. she appears to be nearly as inept at the social game as russ. the manner in which she found the idol might have done more harm than good (to be determined how/if she ever gets to play it). her desire to cause chaos was driven by frustration at having to (gasp) contribute to the tribe and feeling under appreciated as a result. all notches in the mentally unstable column. and surely there is more to come.

rather than accuse any of us as being misogynists, it would be more apt to just accept the universal truth that b.tches be crazy.

and, if anything, you're the racist (i'm serious). when you come to the defense of a widely accepted crazy/annoying/abrasive person with, according to the edit, no redeeming qualities...and defend him/her while noting race, you clearly have huge underlying guilt issues...probably stemming from the slaves you owned as recently as last week!!!

another universal truth: it's ok to despise people when they are despicable. no matter gender, race, sexual orientation, nationality, etc. especially on an internet message board (where no physical harm is done). the choice to deny that impulse and accuse others of ill will speaks volumes to the delusion that is your life.

i award you no points and may god have mercy on your soul.
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Old 11-05-2010, 05:51 PM   #2594
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POWER RANKINGS!!!

Sash and Brenda get #1 and #2 in all ballots, respectively. Chase, Benry, and Marty take up the rest of the Power Rankings. Dan is the only player not to receive any votes. From seeing the different rankings, it will be interesting to see what happens weeks down the road.

1. Sash 75 (LW: 3rd)


everything that's been said in previous weeks still applies, and his slip-up at the previous TC doesn't seem to have had an immediate effect. He remains more well-liked, more intelligent and less overtly threatening than Brenda. (Savage Tilt)

2. Brenda 50 (LW: 1st)

She's in a good spot, but has no idol and will be a target once her core group gets small enough to start canabalizing itself. (Soncy)

3. Chase 25 (LW: 4th)

physical, sympathy threat in majority alliance with outside connections (vyk07)

4. Benry 19 (LW: 2nd)

I don't know where Benry stands. He seems like the most likely young player to break off and build his own alliance, but he's also the one most likely to get blindsided immediately. He's a boom-or-bust pick. (Kos13)

5. Marty 8 (LW: 5th)

He should of been gone 3 weeks ago, 2 weeks ago, and this week. He told Sash and Brenda he isn't a threat but if he survives a few more tribals he will be a real threat once again. (Cash Mahne)

Others Receiving Votes: Holly 7, NaOnka 7, Fabio 3, Jane 3, Kelly 3

Starting next week we will rank all the players and the point value from 1-10 will be: 30, 20, 15, 12, 10, 8, 6, 4, 2, 1
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Old 11-05-2010, 05:51 PM   #2595
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rather than accuse any of us as being misogynists, it would be more apt to just accept the universal truth that b.tches be crazy.
You have officially invalidated anything you have to say on this matter with this statement. Thank you very very much for proving my point for me.
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Old 11-05-2010, 06:05 PM   #2596
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I cannot stop laughing at NaOnka receiving seven points. To the people that voted for her: in what F3 scenario does she win? Dan and...Purple Kelly?
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Old 11-05-2010, 06:21 PM   #2597
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Re: Survivor: Nicaragua

Ken's just stirring the pot, jeez. Na is getting a complex, highly-visible, highly-negative edit. Much like Russell did. They're far more comparable than some of you choose to admit.

It's not like if you like Russell then you need to like all villains, but those who love Russell and hate NaOnka probably have some biases.


A better comparison to NaOnka is probably Shane?
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Old 11-05-2010, 06:36 PM   #2598
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I know that if I was in the game the perfect final TC for me would be taking Na and Dan. Almost guarantee to win. I can just see them getting voted off because these players aren't very good.
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Old 11-05-2010, 06:38 PM   #2599
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I put her #3. My approach to placing people is to look at their position in the game, i.e. who I think would be most likely to win from this point if all were of equal playskill, rather than who's most likely to win (since I think it's unreasonable to expect people to predict that) . NaOnka has a very strong position in the game (she can go with either side if a Brenda/Sash split ever occurs), but she's in that position because of necessity: both Brenda and Sash know that she's a massive goat. Also her abrasive personality prevents her forming new alliances and winning jury votes. Hence #3. The Shane comparison is spot-on imo.

Fabio/NaOnka/KPurple F3 with a clean sweep for Fabio would be hilarious, please let it happen.

EDIT: cash, don't forget about the Cirie-Courtney strategy, I wouldn't be surprised to see it revived this season.
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Old 11-05-2010, 06:41 PM   #2600
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Ken's just stirring the pot, jeez. Na is getting a complex, highly-visible, highly-negative edit. Much like Russell did. They're far more comparable than some of you choose to admit.

It's not like if you like Russell then you need to like all villains, but those who love Russell and hate NaOnka probably have some biases.


A better comparison to NaOnka is probably Shane?
Shane wasn't evil, he was just a raving lunatic. Nay more or less keeps it together, she's just a super-villain.

As much as people here hate to admit it, it seems Nay is overall playing a solid game, especially against the field. To say Russell is WAY better or whatever is really naive. Nay is a huge favorite to make final 3, and will likely lose there. And if she does make it there it won't be by luck it will be because of the game she played which, like it or not, was strategic.

I think she's clearly in the the top 5 most thinking players of the whole season even if you assume editing lies about that stuff.
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