worst season ever.

Short but interesting pre-finale article by Stephen Fishbach here (Fairplay's response is A+):

http://www.people.com/people/article...451358,00.html

Dan would probably get some sympathy votes for making it to the end without quitting on two bad knees even though he's been a worthless coattail he's still not pissed many of them off with the exception of Holly early on who retaliated even worse.

If their is just a final two which isn't that likely with 5 left going into the final episode(s) on Sunday then Sash and Chase would have to take each other to have a shot at winning just because people vote with terrible grudges that they shouldn't do but it always seems to happen lately.

For me it would be shame if Sash or Chase don't win as Fabio is out of the loop strategically, Dan is a coattail who hasn't really done anything, and Holly would be my third choice which she has been lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time and probably has earned some respect from jury members giving up a reward challenge,etc...

What an absolute, astounding, earth shattering, amazing, world altering shock!!!!!!

99% of the people ITT think this season is horrible and KK thinks it is great.

I love jane's reaction to being told she is going home. lmao

For the record, I don't think that this was that bad of a season. I just think that it severely lacked in strategic players and therefore it was hard for me to find people to root for. I have always been specific about that this was what I didn't like about this season.

I think it was pretty darn high on entertainment value from an interaction and drama standpoint, but low on entertainment value when it came to tribal council suspense, because most of the time it was pretty obvious who was going, and due to lack of characters to root for, it didn't really matter much. I also think that the challenges get a D- because they had to level the field physically because of the old/young dynamic, which they abandoned early on. That's one thing I really, really hate about seasons with these gimmicks, is that they abandon them waaay to early.

Overall I give it a C+. Grading on a curve of comparing it to other seasons, I give it a D and grading on a curve of comparing it to the rest of what's on tv, I give it a B+.

Fairply repulses me, but the guy is funny, I can't deny it. I like how Russell had to describe how he screwed Partvati out of the million.

And I've been thinking this for a while, but I like Sash better than Kenny and it's not even close. There, I said it. Before you accuse me of an asian bias, Kart, just keep in mind that Yul and Yau-Man are two of my all time favorites.

Kenny was annoying while Sash is boring. Hard to pick between two poops.

As good as Fairplay's answer is, I think Todd's is even better. I'll never understand the Jean-Robert boot (which led to the risky James boot where Todd could have gone home), but Todd is still awesome.

The Final Power Rankings! Please PM me how you think it will finish! Anyone can PM me. I want more votes, since there are a decent number of people who visit this thread.

ok caught up, and this season is not that good, but enjoyable in how bad everyone is....I actually like fabio a lot and hes the only one. I actually think everyone understimates fabios plays, althoug i was extremely disappointed with his play the episode before this(benry getting kicked out), cause he knew it made sense to vote him out and then got convinced he was never on discussion really easily.

Right, just like he wasn't smart enough to flip on Jane (while making it look like Sash and Holly's idea).

I swear, people in this thread need to stop attempting to judge people's intelligence. Pretty much none of you are good at it.

It WAS Sash and Holly's idea as he tried to talk them out of it. Also, Jane put far more blame on Chase then was probably warranted, so it was a total fail.

Chase has played a great game to make the end and a horrible game to actually win. He has no chance. Whether or not that is a smart way to play the game is certainly open to debate.

Lex in the comments section:

"Lex van den Berghe2:21 pm
Todd's assertion that he knew after day 5 that he would go to the end is utter horse ****. Nobody out there knows how far they're going to make it...there's way too much that happens as a result of other players' moves, circumstances beyond your control and simple luck. He may have thought he would go to the end after day 5, but he has arrogance confused with prophetic certainty. It's way too easy to say you knew early on that you were going to win...long after it has already happened. All of us out there think we're going to go all the way and bring home the prize (anyone who doesn't, has no business playing), but claiming to *know* it on day 5 is just delusional."

Lex is a smart guy. Too bad he's an insanely over-emotional hypocrite.

Ok, I can guess.

5. Fabio
4. Dan
Final Tribal, Holly wins 6-3-1, Chase getting 1.

* If Fabio wins 2 immunity in a row this prediction fails and he wins the game.

ya okay dude. now we are not just racist, we are idiots.

You can't even properly evaluate yourself! I never called you idiots. I said you were bad at identifying people who are intelligent. There is a HUGE difference between those things.

not really. its a insult. while at the same time complimenting yourself.

i believe jane is stupid
i believe chase is stupid
i think sash is smart
i think fabio is average intelligence.
i think dan is smart
i think holly is smart but crazy.

I think 5 of the people you named are above average intelligence. I think Dan is pretty slow and not too bright.

And I guess I am being insulting when I say that, but it's pretty irritating to see people over and over and over again call the same people stupid who have shown no stupidity on the show outside of a couple of completely understandable errors.

How many people did we see call Fabio and Dan stupid for not voting for Holly? Not voting Jane there would have been terrible, yet tons of people have criticized the play.

i think holly might have a harder time winning then we think. destroying dan shoes could easily cost her the vote. imagine if she is against him in the finals. could they really vote for her? after listening to rob cs interview of jane it seems like she wont.

http://robhasawebsite.com/2010/12/17...ivor-betrayal/

i think a lot of people just get knee jerk reactions to the tribal councils. just disliking moves that make for less exciting tv. but if you can just ignore those type of posts, they usually stop a day after the episode. when people have time to think about the moves from everyones perspective.

Kart, he didn't want to flip on Jane. It was Sash and Holly's idea. But I also enjoyed how he called them out on it in front of Jane. Not that she cared at the time...they were all snakes to her. I don't know if it was editing or what, but when Chase said he didn't want to vote her out, indicating that the others had decided it against his wishes, it looked like Sash shot him a look as if to say, "I see what you are doing."

To be fair, I don't think it was a terribly bad idea on Chase's part to want to keep Jane. He's made so many ??? decisions that the one thing he could at least cling to was being loyal to his people. And he needs someone at FTC who might shoot herself in the foot worse than he might.

The move was great for Dan. Good for Sash. Not as good for Chase. And I really think it was not good at all for Holly, but I might be underestimating Jane as an FTC threat.

I love Fabio. I also really liked how his mom was settling him down after Chase didn't take them on reward. They seem like good people. Even so, it's not Chase's fault that Fabio only sees his mom twice a year. Go see your mom more, Fabio. Again, love the guy (and completely agree that Chase handled the situation like an ass), just had to get that off my chest.