Perhaps he's labeling her mediocre. Still wrong, in my opinion, but I admit I have an athlete crush on her body. A little jealous over here.

Sure she was not great player but I sure didnt get any douche vibe from her. She seemed pretty nice on her seasons.

I disagree. She's had a middle of the road edit in my opinion. I did not think the Marty/Jane war painted her in a very favorable light (-). Her vindictiveness was over the top unwarranted.

She did well in a couple of endurance comps (+). And caught fish (+), but she also ate fish herself (+/-).

She looks like a bag/hag/gollum (-).

She said that she doesn't associate with villians while trying to team up with Naonka (-----).

She threw a hissy and dumped water on the fire when her number was up. (-)

I'd say for me, even though I give her some credit for a few positive things, her overall impression has been more negative than positive. I'll be really weirded out if she beats Fabio in a fan favorite vote.

I meant it more as her being mediocre and getting a hero edit (like Shambo, who is also a very nice person). I don't particularly like Stephenie, but that's nothing a filet mignon pizza can't fix.

Okay, we have a gentleman's/gentlewoman's bet on Jane vs. Fabio. I really hope you win, but I don't have any faith in the average viewer. I think they'll love Jane because she plays with her heart, steals fish, could survive on her own, has a husband who just died, needs the money, etc. I'll be very surprised if it's not between her and Fabio, though.

lol kos straight making up how favorable he thinks the edit is... he's seen the uncut footage don't worry guise.

She got a hero edit for being a tough competitor in comps and so forth. Kos has very little respect for comps. And doesn't give a rip if a player seems pretty nice. In fact, he usually holds it against people.

(That last bit was a joke...sort of.)

So you think her edit has been negative? Uh, okay.

I don't have a problem with her, I just think she's boring.

No, I think you're making **** up. In fact, I'm certain you're making **** up. I'm taking no position on what her edit was exactly.

I don't even know what you're talking about. What did I make up? The overall tone of her edit has been extremely positive. Even the bad stuff has been spun in a positive way (ex. eating the fish on her own was a happy scene).

I don't really like randomly picking a couple posts and saying you're contradicting yourself, but I'll do it anyway... :P

wtf, you just said Jane is a horrible person. when did horrible become a synonym for boring?

People keep saying Jane has the hero edit, or whatever, but soncy just made a pretty good post supporting her assertion that jane's edit was neutral.

The reply to Soncy was about Stephenie...

And regarding Soncy's post, it's all about spin. No one will remember that she tried to align with NaOnka. They'll remember her ousting "evil" Marty, beating young kids in challenges, catching the fish and eating it herself (which was spun as positive), being poor, being a widow, etc. Marty confirmed that they haven't shown a ton of very negative aspects of her personality. They've edited her to be the new Shambo.

Marty who hated her confirmed it, that definitely makes it fact!!! Marty is definitely not even remotely delusional either.

Jane's edit has seemed slightly favorable, but not overwhelmingly positive by any stretch.

Marty doesn't hate Jane.

Whatever. If Jane hasn't had a positive edit, she shouldn't be anywhere near the top three in the fan vote, right? So if anyone wants to bet money on whether she's in the top three, let me know.

I'd be absolutely shocked if Fabio didn't win fan favorite. It was kinda close before tonight but after Fabio cried and Jane went out as a sore loser it's locked up for Fabio. I wouldn't be surprised if Holly finished 2nd for fan favorite.

Jane's story is going to make her some one people pull for. The fact that she provided and held her own in challenges as a little old lady works in her favor big time. There are a lot of Janes that watch Survivor. Of course she will be popular. I'd be shocked if she wasn't in the top three. She HAS NOT received an overwhelmingly positive edit.

Who do you think would finish in the top 3 of the fan vote if they made an unbiased edit? Jane being old and winning challenges is pretty inspiring to a lot of the voters.

lol complete logic fail.

So your opinions are correct and cannot be unproven by the fan vote, yet my interpretation of her edit is automatically wrong no matter how much she's liked by the audience? Gotcha.

I assume you guys also thought Shambo's edit wasn't positive?

Your opinion isn't automatically wrong, it's just worth absolutely nothing as you're basing your opinion on, errr, absolutely nothing.

You aren't privy to what was dropped in the edit. You have no idea what type of person Jane actually is outside of the footage presented to you. I'm sure that plenty of people have gotten favorable and unfavorable edits. The idea that you have some special insight into what type of edits people are getting is just dumb.

IMO, the most glaring positive edits off the top of my head: Rupert, Russell, Boston Rob, Rudy, Terry, Tom.

Stephenie forced their hand. She was the last person standing in her tribe. It had never happened before and the fact that she beat Bobby Jon who was a strong competitor in the fire making challenge... duh. It's a slam dunk. It's not an edit. There was no other way they could have edited Stephenie to make for a interesting story arc.

I think they probably made Shambo look a lot more fun and fancy free then the person she actually was out there(at least according to her bitter Galu tribe mates), but they made her look like an idiot plenty.

The show has a hard on for alpha males, generally speaking.

I'm basing it on Jane getting a very positive edit despite clearly being an emotional trainwreck who calls Marty a horrible father and hates people for lying to her/voting her out as if she's entitled to the money. Also, Marty saying that her introduction to him was, "I need the money, so please don't vote me out" is pretty disgusting (of course, I'm sure you'll say we can't believe Marty).

why is that disgusting?

Wow, it's almost like these things were in the show? Yet some people still liked her, so the only explanation is a positive edit. If people just saw the Jane you saw (which is really what this is about), then the edit would be neutral.

lol this is ridiculous. I don't even like Jane.

Because, as we saw tonight, she expects people to hand her the money. If they vote her out, they're evil liars for turning on her...in a game...for a million dollars.

Who likes her besides Chase and Holly?

sorry

I now understand what you're saying, I'll agree, the way it appears on screen gives Jane a very good chance at winning the fan favorite. Don't get how you can be so sure an unedited version would be less likely to provide such an outcome...