PM spoilers cause I don't care at this point.

Brenda wanted to boot Marty as soon as he handed over the idol. Sash wanted to keep his word. This was before the jury had started. I think Brenda is tighter with the rest of the alliance than Sash is. I think Brenda has set up the game better to boot Sash than vice versa. I could be wrong, it's hard to tell, as Boc will surely remind us, but that's the feel I get.

why make posts like this? Yeah dude you're really cool for reading spoilers and posting thinly vieled hints.

Why quote posts like that? I missed it the first time through

They're too unbelievable to be true anyway.

No spoilers of any sort itt please people. Even vaguely hinting at stuff is out of line.

Why is that a bad thing? By keeping Marty - which Brenda agreed to - Sash gains an ally in case Marty stays around and a jury vote in case he doesn't. Brenda is probably tighter with NaOnka (although this is unclear, since Sash formed the original alliance and was the one to talk to her most last week), Kelly, Chase, and Jane. Holly seems to be in the middle, but perhaps slightly leaning towards Brenda. Sash is closer to Fabio, Benry, Dan. That's either 6-4 or 5-5, and Sash's idol gives him a lot of security. Also, from Brenda's confessionals it appears she intends to take Sash to the end, whereas Sash seems open to the idea of booting Brenda if need be.

wow

guess what, you're the idiot

People posting spoilers will be ban until the seasons over with out question

When you watch the edited, televised version of this show, it's like watching poker with hole card cameras.

You know those idiots who watch poker final tables and scream "NOOOOOOOOOO YOU IDIOT DON'T GO ALL IN WITH JACKS HE OBVIOUSLY HAS ACES! LOOK AT HIM IT'S SO OBVIOUS! HOW DO THESE DONKEYS MAKE FINAL TABLES I'D DO SO MUCH BETTER"? That's Kos.

I like jerks? Not really. I just like "villains," which is usually synonymous with "good, deceitful, smart players." I like people who make strategic decisions as opposed to just floating along. Yes, some of those people are Russell, Fairplay, and Boston Rob, but most of them are likable: Cesternino, Yau-Man, Cirie, Stephen, Chris, Yul, etc.

My problem as a fan is that there's no one who is even playing, which is different than a lot of seasons. In an average season, most players are bad, but they're at least TRYING to occasionally make moves, even if they're dumb ones. There are ten people left, and I struggled to even pick a #3 in my power rankings because I just feel that the bottom eight are all passive, bad players. I hope I'm wrong, but Benry is the only person I can see leading a revolt against Sash and Brenda, and he played about as awful as humanly possible this week, so I think he's probably gone next week.

He always meddles, which is good. He doesn't watch footage during the game, so he only goes by what he sees at challenges and tribals. I like that he calls people out, as I think it adds another dimension to the game: you have to hide your BS from him, too.

Sash and Brenda definitely need to be on opposite teams to keep things in line. However, my opinion is that you should ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS be back at camp. Don't win reward challenges because they are there for one reason: to switch up alliances. They always take less than 50% of the remaining players on reward, so the people back at camp are always in a majority if they want it. Sure enough, Benry, Fabio, and Dan joined up with Marty. Dan had nothing to gain, but Benry and Fabio should have given up their spots and tried to gather up troops back at camp. They can get Marty and Dan without doing anything, so their focus should have been on getting two more players: Holly and Purple Kelly. Also, once they give up their spots, Marty should probably give up his.

Chase actually made the right decision going with the girls, as they were a huge dog to win the challenge. The point of rewards isn't to eat, it's to get the losers pissed off.

he has favorites though. doesnt call everyone out. also chase would be with the majority regardless of which side he choose. thought it was real dumb to choose the girls. especially with how he said it. if i was one of the girls id be annoyed at him. "surprisingly i will go with the girls"

Ahh, a Survivor tradition like no other...People complaining about Probst meddling in the game.

He's asked the same loaded questions since the early seasons, and people have complained about it on internet forums since the early seasons. He's making compelling television, and probably asking all of the contestants loaded questions. Plus, the "integrity of the game" is not really something that Burnett/Probst/CBS worries about. Nor should they, really.

Anyone else not think the "men vs women" challenge was not really randomly selected? I'm no probability expert, but I think the odds of 5 men vs 5 women happening has to be somewhere like 1 in the tens of thousands?

it was 100 percent random imo

Chase might be with the majority if he picks the guys, but he's better off losing the reward. When you're starving, people bond over not having food, especially when 5/11 of the other people just ate a feast. Chase should want to lose so his bond with the women can grow tighter. This only works if the players are dumb, but...they are. Brenda was the only one who didn't have tons of respect for Chase picking them.

Survivor is weird in that people will not randomly pick allies. However, because of this, they are willing to split based on the most random, pointless things. Most of the time, people split based on age, gender, likability, etc. Sometimes, though, it's way less obvious. People will occasionally make alliances based on something that, in the grand scheme of things, couldn't possibly matter any less in Survivor. Stuff like who lost a reward challenge, who hasn't won immunity yet, where you live in the country (stupid LA alliances from the recruited players), or as we've seen this season, who is a minority are all reasons for people to split...even though they shouldn't be. People will split based on pretty much anything, which is why it's going to be correct 99% of the time to lose a reward challenge.

For the bolded...You can say that from your armchair all you want. But people get hungry for rewards. People that you probably classify as "great players" have fallen for the temptation of eating instead of playing for immunity. None of the men were rushing to hand over their reward spot in order to stay in the majority back at camp. They're humans. And I still don't know if you recognize that.

As for the second part about Chase. I'm not sure if you're actually dense enough to not realize this... But Chase would have been in the majority group no matter which group he backed. It was an enviable spot to be in. (edit: VarianceMinefield beat me to this and you've already addressed it)

Or maybe, just maybe, he calls most everyone out, but is only ever shown on TV calling out people when the edit supports it.

sure its possible but im pretty sure he has favorites who he try to help out and people who he dont like he goes at much harder. do you disagree?

Can mods ban those that even hinted at spoilers?

The Brenda Chase dynamic is somewhat interesting. Even Naonka was counseling Chase not to annoy Brenda with his paranoia like she knew that was exactly what he was going to do. And he did. Sometimes people have a hard time holding their irritation in check. That a third party was able to predict (according to the edit) the exact interaction that transpired is probably pretty telling on how that relationship has been going.

I thought he was the right vote off. He was playing. If he wasn't so distracted by his feud with Jane, he might have actually figured out who the real threats were and mustered a counter alliance. If Marty wasn't the right vote off, it would have had to be taking Benry or Fabio away from him by voting one them out. But that might have sent Jane and Co. over the edge and caused her to rogue out on them.

Yeah, I think you just have some confirmation bias going on. But whatever, you could be right.

What a horrible season. What's left is someone like Holly or Purple Kelly winning for it to be the worst season ever.

You want Sash to jump out of an alliance he controls into an alliance Marty controls. You are a loon. Any of you people that would say Marty is such a good player, but they should keep him, need to check your thought processes.

To be fair to Kos AND myself. We believe we'd have a better understanding of our position even with the information that is available to the Survivors. And I think we are both correct, but maybe I shouldn't speak for him. I'm not saying I'd know what the viewers at home know. I just think I'd know more than it appears some of the Survivors know. And some of them know more things than others which I think supports my idea. Whether it's paying more attention, going so far as to spy, or just reading people, there is information to be had.

yeah, from an editing standpoint, all of that stuff was disastrous for Chase's winning chances. The guys predict that Chase is gonna be paranoid. Brenda trashes Chase for being paranoid. Chase is shown on screen being paranoid.

At first, I thought that scene was going to lead more towards "Chase knows he can't trust Brenda", but that still could be to come.

Actually, in the course of making this post, I've talked myself into believing that'll be the late-season storyline that comes up. The only edits of those remaining that seem like winners are Brenda, Chase, and (probably not) Jane. But Brenda's getting a pretty arrogant edit for a winner, and America's Sweetheart Jane will probably get a sappy boot episode. Chase turning on Brenda, overthrowing the power duo of Brenda and Sash, and going to the end with his girls Holly and Kelly sounds pretty cool.