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Originally Posted by kartinken
I'm loving your posts. I really like it when intelligent people have different perspectives than my own and back it up.
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Originally Posted by boc4life
mostly just tired of hearing people talk **** about this cast, because it's one of the best they've had in forever. Guess what, they don't pick the 20 most strategic people that apply for the show. And if they did, the show would suck.
In the end, Russell has killed Survivor. There's this whole new breed of strategic gamebot fans who don't enjoy watching people like Holly, Jane, NaOnka, and Dan because they're "horrible players". Give me a break.
This man speaks truth. It's the mix that makes the show. I can be entertained or interested in many types of players and typically maintain an interest in watching things unfold whether I'm particularly pleased with how things are going or not. But I enjoy the show more when the characters touch my passion in some way (either I identify with them in some way and want to root for them, or they repulse me and I want to watch them lose, or maybe they just make me laugh a lot--maybe, they are Russell Hantz and hit every button I have.) My Everywoman has a very hard time getting into the show if there is no one she cares to root for, or at least someone she can muster up some passion to root against. And a lot of viewers probably feel that way. And guess what, the characters that I enjoy and the characters that my Everywoman enjoys are usually quite different. (I tend to like hers okay in some ways, but sometimes she doesn't like the people who amuse me at all.) But the point is, it takes all kinds. And this is just to satisfy the many varied viewers tastes and doesn't take into account the dynamic having a variety of characters creates for the show.
Let's be clear though. Russell hasn't ruined anything. The gamebot fans have always prefered the Russells, the Parvs, and the Martys to the Hollys, the Naonkas, and the Dans--Russell didn't cause that. Sidenote: these gamebot fans have always existed and they liked Kenny too. I think your beef may simply be that there are a preponderance of them here at 2+2, but I don't know what you expect.
My Everywoman doesn't like Coach (unfairly IMO) and she hates Russell (but she likes to watch him lose). She likes Jane and Holly--they are mom-types and so is she. It has been a long time, but I think I remember my Everywoman saying something like the following in reference to Rob Cesternino: "{disapproving tone} That Rob is cocky in his confessionals. I guess he's a good player. {sounding skeptical}" She was super happy about Natalie beating Russell. Poor KOS just broke out in hives. But I love my Everywoman...and I love KOS. I like to hear their toughts about Survivor even though their perspectives are wildly different. I think they are both wrong sometimes. Does that make them wrong and me right? No, but Soncy is definitely going to Soncy. If I didn't think my opinions were right, I'd change them.
Just to touch on the dynamic of varied characters issue I mentioned---Let me pose this question: Who would Russell russell if he was playing against a bunch of hard core players? Let's not begrudge the shepherds their sheep. Besides, sometimes the sheep take home the money. So maybe the shepherds still have a thing or two to learn and perhaps our disdain for the sheep is misplaced.
It takes all kinds. But I would submit that same theory applies here. State your opinions people. And state them well. I'd guess that sometimes we will be right here {making motion as if to suggest seeing eye to eye}, and sometimes I will think you are a loon or vice versa. But I'm willing to hash things out if it seems interesting.
As to the Nic cast vs. HvV cast debate. Again, it's subjective. I believe Boc is correct about there only typically being a handful of 'good players' in any given season--even those in which returning players are invovled. But my Everywoman seems to prefer not having to spend time getting to know new players (an aspect of Survivor that I enjoy) and really likes All-Star seasons because of all the familiar faces.