He's still a target if he burns the idol. But he seems less threatening which might open doors for him. And still has a chance to refind an idol (which will have the benefit of stealth). And is still in a bad position with no allys even if he keeps the idol. Let's face it, he has no chance if he can't muster up some new 'friends' whether he has an idol or not.

If Marty was capable of soul reading that these kids would have both him and his idol dead to rights, but would instead elect to eliminate Kelly B, he wouldn't have been sitting in that TC not having any clue that Jane doesn't like him and Kelly B and Fabio should be aligned with him.

It's unfathomable what these kids did. I still have a hard time believing it. There is no way I'm going to credit a guy with knowing this could happen when he didn't know where anybody in the tribe stood. He can toy with the villiage idiot, but he can't get the social outcast on his team when she is all but begging to be 'picked up'. It was luck, KOS. Very inexplicable luck.

i've read a lot of interviews and listened to a lot of podcasts, and a lot of people claim that Jerri still would have won over Parv.

Heidik was kind of slimey, but mostly behind the scenes. Of course, not so behind the scenes that he ran away with the victory against the goat. He still only won 4-3 against someone who actually was a massive douche.

Hatch romped naked to the finals and won 4-3 vs Kelly.

Maybe players should just try not to be such massive douches.

I didn't say that Chase thinks he is aligned with Benry. I said Benry thinks he is aligned with Chase. Chase had said that he trusts Brenda and Benry at TC back when La Flor was all Pubes. Benry wanted to 'make a decision together' with Chase when deciding whether to keep Shannon or Brenda. (Translation: tell me who we are keeping.) I'd point to these events as possibly misleading Benry to thinking he is in a decent position with Chase when he is not. I'd point to Benry and Alina continually thinking out loud that they are in such a good position with this tribe switch as evidence that they may, in fact, BE braindead. Verdict is out.

I've watched almost every season of survivor and every season of Big Brother. Douches just don't usually win the money in most cases. Juries spite vote all the time. Todd and Hatch are good examples of douches who went out of their way to socialize and engage with everyone.

Somewhat, Kind of, Semi, but technically (Un) Official Power Rankings:

Kos13, SavageTilt, Soncy, vyk07, and myself vote on a top 5. Pts values from 1-5 (15, 10, 7, 5, 3).

1. Sash (67)

UTR strategic power player in majority alliance with 2 other members with bigger targets on their back (Brenda + Chase) meaning that his potential deep-game threat is well disguised, good social game, taking a shot of convincing Marty to give him his idol next episode (SavageTilt)

2. Benry (38)

You can make a serious argument for Benry being #1, but he's here only because Sash has a steady alliance. Benry is quietly slimy and appears to at least sort of understand strategy beyond basic first-level thinking. (Kos13)

3. Brenda (37)

Chase is her dog and is improving matters for the group over at the other tribe. Naonka is a tight ally, and can't win. Jane is a willing pawn. Her alliance with Sash is good and bad. He's a strong member of the group, but she might not be able to beat him. (Soncy)

4. Marty (26)

Brenda wants to take 2 strong players to the end. Marty somehow is still in the game without playing an idol. Even against the numbers he will always have a chance to win this game. (Cash Mahne)

5. Chase (19)

sympathetic, physical deep-game threat in majority alliance with no enemies (vyk07)

Others Receiving Votes: Alina 5, Jill 3, Kelly 3

yeah, this. Jerri both played the best game and was the most well-liked by the jury (a big part of playing the best game). I honestly do think it could have been 9-0 Jerri with any other 2 villains (inc candice).

bahahahah

God I wish she had won so we could have seen the sick edit she would have gotten

If best means sitting on her ass and riding coattails then yes, she played the best game. She did absolutely nothing strategically besides being a floater and not being annoying.

Well Sandra won and we saw how ****** her edit was. Jerri's edit would've been like Natalie's. They would've shown her make some self realizations and how she has evolved as a survivor.

chase is obv winning, no enemies is a huge +++, and he appears to have a brain

i don't think sash's plan is going to work at all either, marty isn't that ******ed but the target on his back makes it pretty unlikely he'll go super far imo, i mean how often do people who take serious early heat go on to win?

jerri was a plant


sandra was a plant

nathalie was a plant.

two of them won, they got better edits. It's not the other way around. They dont not-get-a-sick-edit because they didnt win, its the others that win that get the undeserving edits (lol @ trying to make sandra look smart... probably a bigger lol to those believing it I guess...)

Well I don't want to rehash this argument, I spelled it out pretty clearly in the HvV thread, but if you watch the season again, every critical vote post-Tyson was decided by Jerri. She was certainly playing passively, but she ran the game.

Edit: When you have position on the clueless lagtard, you don't start arbitrarily shoving. You flat them and own them post flop.

Just one example of her running the game would be great.

Voting out Boston Rob, voting out Coach, voting out Danielle. All 3 of these critical votes were in Jerri's hands.

they were in her hands because everytime she was being used

No getting rid of marty who has an idol what a horrible decision. These kids are just way too paranoid about Kelly B. Kinda sad how they view her solely for her disability (I`ve worked with amputees in past).

It doesn't work that way in survivor, that's the biggest thing you russellites don't understand about the game. It's about choosing your best options. I don't understand how you can say she was being used when all 3 of those votes (and every other vote she made) was in her best interest. Sure they helped other players as well, but that's just going to happen. The fact remains she saw her road to the win and followed it excellently.

These were all orchestrated by other people, but she played her part well.

Being dumbfoundedly caught in a swing vote situation is not the same as "running the game"

Also I can understand why marty didn`t use the idol. Brenda came at him so strong it made it look like they wanted him to use it but didn`t want him gone for real. As far as marty knew he thought he was safe so once brenda came at him it makes it look too obvious they want him to use it.

Marty is playing a great game, but lack of allies may hurt him too much.

I thought brenda was great too until she chose to vote out kelly b. Still though going to be hard for marty to hurt her. Would love to see marty brenda showdown at end.

Okay, it's time for my Secret Scene ramblings. ***Warning, large block of text will follow. (but what's new?)

First, a shout out to the older ladies for dominating the somewhat lame challenge. Wish Yve would have won instead of Holly. Was very excited that Jill won because it kept hope alive for she and Marty. It was the highlight of their moves this week, but they miracled a continued existence with idol still in hand. I'll take it.

Kelly B seems to think that Brenda wanted her out because she did not want her on the jury because there is no way she would ever vote for her (barring a final two vs. Naonka). Possible, but still ******ed.

It was rough watching KB pine for Marty and Jill to pull her into their group. She had an easy in with them by simply bemoaning to them how poor her position was in her old tribe. Lob the ball into their court and see what develops. Or...just sit there and get voted out.

Jane embraced becoming yellow because 'there are yellows all over the place' and she figured she was safer joining their number. Closer to the truth is that she joined the yellows because they made her feel valuable and wanted while the blues (spear-headed by Marty and Jill) disregarded or ignored her altogether. Hey, KOS, this actually motivates people. For some, fitting in and being a valued member of the group is so attractive, they sort of prefer it to winning. Or perhaps, they don't have high hopes of winning and will settle for being treated with respect. It is a huge mistake to not realize that there are people like this, identify them, and act as the situation warrants. I think Brenda understands this. I think Marty does not.

Jane mentions not having money during her rant on resenting Marty and Co. Might have jury implications.

Kudos to Jane and Holly for risking a venture into the unknown in order to attempt to improve their position in the game. Ben, Alina, and Fabio could all take a note.

Naonka is really reaching for an opportunity to use the phrase "off the chain". She's saying she didn't have much a shot in that challenge because she has no experience digging in the sand with a paddle and flipping rings in her backpack...as if anyone does. Well, except for Coach, obv, but he's not on this season. Also, she's outplaying everyone..."well, if the challenge is cool enough."

I like Brenda's philosophy of 'friendship' first alliance second, and be open to everyone because you never know when you might need them. However, I'm not sure how open she was being to Marty at last TC.

I'm very concerned about Jill's secret scene where she said she and Marty knew they needed to get with two of the Pubes, but didn't know which two to get with. I know I've beat a dead horse on this issue, but are we really to believe that Fabio won't spill the entire bean pot with a little prompting from Marty? And Kelly B was pining over them. How hard could it be to feel those two out? Anyway, Jill also didn't feel personally on the block, but "now I really don't feel threatened". I hope she meant because she won immunity?

I think I understand why Marty could not be bothered to attempt to shore up some alliances. Apparently, he is too busy rehearsing various speeches.

Yve took getting voted out pretty hard in her Day After video. I admit I share her disgust with KOS's strategy of tote all the pathetic people as far as you can so you can slay them in the end. I think it's mandatory if you are an @$$hole, but I foolishly think I could beat all kinds of people (a trait I share with Russell, I guess). And I'm not only, not afraid of worthy opponents, I value them. I know, it's sick. And so -EV, but I can't help it. We all have our flaws. My primary concerns when evaluating my foes (especially early) would be their allignability with me vs. others, how much I can trust them, how difficult to get them to do things that benefit me more than them, etc. I wouldn't bother obsessing over the number of legs they have until much later in the game.

no, she let others decide her fate and it led her to 4th place.

+1

she went into her final vote like she went into all of those others you say she ran. russel telling her what the decision was and hoping he was telling the truth.