Voting out Xander is a no brainer for Evvie - who clearly seems like the power player on this tribe until this vote where she botched it. She's my favorite player so far, which I'd really never have expected given how nauseating and annoying her pre-game press was.

Voce said in his exit press that she actually only had 5-10 minutes before tribal, I'm sure that's an exaggeration but it does a lot in explaining how she couldn't adequately convince Tiffany to vote Xander. I think Tiffany looked like a mess and is a mess but tbh I'm not quite sure how these advantages work anymore and I considered myself a pretty avid viewer. Like when Xander got this beware advantage that stopped him from voting, It was unclear to me whether it blocked his vote - if he could use his extra vote and what the situation was with the shot in the dark. I know all of the answers now and maybe y'all can call me an idiot but it's not obvious at all to me in ways it once was.

I still have loads of question about the shot in the dark die - are they transferable? ETC.

I don't buy that voting out Tiffany would have been a good move. Voce said in his exits that him and Xander were apprehensive about Evvie and if Evvie wants to do an all-girls thing she has to leave her options as open as possible. Sacrificing Tiffany in the best case scenario means that she's reasonably likely to lose Lianna also and they're the only two women she knows she can work with. Basically the men would control the tribe from that point. So it's gotta be Voce or Xander and it's incredibly obvious that it should be Xander based on what he has.

Who are the people standing out as potentially great players? Evvie shat the bed this week but I think overall clearly she's incredibly intelligent and social and her wheels are always turning. I don't see her as a winner, she could be out as soon as next week as a shock boot but I would say so far she's been the strongest player. Shan's also great, otherwise I'm not sure who actually seems good. Lianna and Xander seem good for 20 year olds I guess.

if they went 5 days without food in those conditions, they'd be way worse off.

they are getting food

My feelings exactly.

I mean ... it's not but if you listen to Voce in the exit press it makes sense. Evvie only had 5-10 minutes to convince her and she failed. I would be pretty disappointed if Evvie goes early because she seems like the only player so far who is thinking about the game at a reasonably high level. I'm ready to be scolded for being woke here - when I'm not the "guys" thing was the most cringeworthy thing since Billy Garcia proclaimed his love for Candace but I do want a woman to win this season. We've had 6 seasons of men winning and it is starting to feel like a woman can't win the game that Survivor has become anymore. But I'd be happy with any natural win

Worst case scenario is production decides to rig it for a Ben or Rick type, maybe Danny and they give them the advantages although I think production genuinely would want a woman to win at this point so maybe we'll see that instead. Also has anybody heard of this UTI scandal thing - because Probst heard from Tyler Perry they reduced the amount of clothes the contestants have and like numerous women have come out and said that they got Urinary Tract Infections during the game. It seems like Probst talks a good game on wokeness but unlike the "guys" thing it seems like a fairly dangerous and irresponsible oversight not to minimise the chances of that happening by giving the contestants more clothes generally.

Rooting for Evvie to win but not optimistic.

I think you can divide people who are that "woke" into two categories, people who just say that stuff and maybe carry it into life a little bit and people who are really that nauseating and can't see anything beyond these identity points. Read Vox's culture page if you want to see that.

Funny little tidbit I have about that, two of my romantic interests lets say - a brown gay coworker who I had a fling with couldn't stop talking about white privilege and all but really when it came down to it had a ridiculously sick and unwoke sense of humor, only dated white men all his friends were white and then another Asian woman I was dating was sort of similar. It wasn't as explicit as the other case but I heard her friends talking about how she only dated white men. I think a lot of people just read the woke stuff and perform to it, but in reality very few people actually adhere to it as much as they espouse it on twitter and other Social Media.

Does it make some sense for Evvie to keep Xander over Voce because Xander currently has no vote. She knows the rules and she will hear at the challenge if and when it's activated. If the decision is between keeping 1 of the guys, the route she went currently gives her the most control. Albeit with the potential to have the least control if the idol is activated by the next immunity challenge. This is assuming Xander can't use his extra vote when he has no vote, which i don't think we know(?). If they lose again next time it's up to her and Liana on they go Tiff or Xander.

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Xander remaining in the game is dangerous but not to Evvie. He has told her everything about his advantages. He clearly put a lot of his eggs in the Voce/Evvie basket and now Voce is gone. Evvie is her number 1. He wont idol her out. However he does have two allies from the episode 1 advantage climb. This could help or hurt in a swap

The way I think it could have played out.
Tiffany could have been smart enough to realize she can vote for Voce independently. And the 2-1-1 would save her from a Xander idol.
So if she decides she’s doing that: Evvie and Liana have to decide if it’s worth it to alienate Tiffany here. To protect themselves from shenanigans and from losing Tiffany, they just vote Voce

That they weren't given any food doesn't mean they have zero food. There is food on the island, including but not limited to coconuts and crabs.

My wife, who in less than two weeks is having one of the same precautionary surgeries Tiffany spoke of in E1, turns to me during the episode and says "I guess my doctors neglected to tell me that physical ineptitude and delusions were side effect risks of the surgery."

Late to the party, as I watched the first two episodes yesterday. Pretty much everything that needed to be said about Come in Guys has already been said ITT, other than - unless I missed it in the other posts, in which case my apologies - I find it pretty darn funny that in the same episode they introduce something called a hail mary, which of course has religious connotations. Yes, I realize it's used in sports and other vernacular, but selectively woke much Survivor?

Sound like a cool, compassionate lady

I disagree with this, if you're playing for a swap which I guess is reasonable - more than reasonable keeping Xander makes more sense but even with Xander being so open I just think it's very risky to keep him. If they don't swap he has all the power, and we've seen players pre-merge recently just make these nonsensical big moves for the sake of big moves. If she boots Tiffany then that's potentially 3 votes and an idol against 2 votes and a likely Lianna boot. She's potentially sacrificing 2 women in that case who she said she's more comfortable with. Xander at 20 years old becomes the decision maker in the tribe, Voce said they were tight as and were wary of Evvie - even though Xander clearly knew he was going. All it takes is them to change their mind on who they can bring forward. I hope that Evvie can trust Xander but I don't think so, I think we could easily see him react and take off the head of the snake now.

“If they dont swap, he has all the power”

The guy with no vote against three people with votes

this season is a big pile of MEH

I feel like the Beware Idol Xander found is almost too punitive. You don't get to know what you're risking until you open it, but of course if you find an idol, you're opening it, whether it says beware or danger or whatever. No one is putting it back.

So once you find it you're essentially stuck without a vote until 2 other people find it. That is a pretty sh***y reward for finding a HII.

It would be a lot more fair if there was an action YOU had to complete to get your vote back, and activate the idol. As it stands now, Xander is basically helpless unless both other idols are found by the other 2 tribes. Of course there's a pretty decent chance of that happening, which is all the more reason why not voting out Xander this week was a dumb move by the girls.

Yeah re-hiding the idol unopened would have been the better call. Give it a couple of days and see what happens.

Right but I can't see anyone doing that. You found an idol, you're gonna open it.

Last comment on the "Come on in guys" silliness... what bothered me was how performative it all was. If the point was to not say anything that could be seen as non-inclusive, then Jeff could have simply stopped saying it. End of story. Probably no one would have cared or even noticed that much.

But instead they make a big show of it which was completely unnecessary. It almost seemed like Jeff was disappointed that no one was really bothered at all by the word "guys", and so they coached Ricard to say it actually DID bother him, at the next challenge. Seemed orchestrated to appeal to a certain segment of their fan base, which is fine I guess but seemed so forced and scripted as to be more irritating than anything else.

Oh, c'mon - do you honestly think that production doesn't want the other idols in the game? Everybody knows the situation with idols/advantages - there are active players on every tribe who are bound to be looking. We literally see people speculate about who has the idol, Deshawn and Danny were looking as soon as possible.

In fact, if you read Xander's advantage it says the penalty stops at the merge. It doesn't take genius IQ to put two and two together to figure out that the reason that clause wasn't told to us is because it doesn't become relevant. That probably means that the idols will be activated or it's not relevant because Xander gets booted. I'd put money on it being the former.

Even in the preview it seems to indicate Brad or Shan have found something and also shows us idol talk from JD on Green.

In fact this conversation reminds me of the one Tony had with Sarah and Ben at the end of last season. Tony being smart attempted to protect for the plausible worst case scenario of Natalie having an idol from Edge as ridiculous as that sounds, Ben and Sarah pushed a needless majority vote on Natalie which burnt them two idols. Even if you disagree with booting Xander in this position, it seems ludicrous to assume or play for a scenario where he won't have an idol and his vote back PLUS the extra vote he already has.

EDIT: For the record you are the Sarah/Ben in this conversation and I am the Tony

Actually im woo. A really good looking asian guy who bones

COOOL dude.

Anyways, do you honestly think that Xander's idol won't be activated? That seems to be your assumption. It may not be next episode but that's definitely happening before merge.

it's a tv show. the whole thing is a performance

It might be activated before the merge. Not so sure about before a swap.

Xander gets booted with unactivated idol. What happens with idols at other beaches? Maybe they rehide Xander's? Lol at picking that up. Tiffany would.