Thought it was funny Q found a way to sneak another "cancel Christmas" in there this episode.

so unbelievably bad by Hunter. Just play your damn idol and preserve your life in the game. He was also more likely to win an II challenge than anyone else, or to find a new hidden idol than anyone else. Never mind the fact that in modern survivor he can't even be directly voted out at f4, and is probably good at making fire.

Just crazy to me that he's saying he knew it was going to come down to Tiffany's vote but decided not to play it

So bad. Quit asking people if they are with you and believing what they say, and instead think about what would be in their best interests. Play your idol. Easy game.

Any why is everyone so obsessed with engineering 'the move' and getting the credit? It seems as if you could go to someone and say I'm going to eliminate all your opponents and pave the way for your victory and the person would be like, hold up bro, I'd rather do this other thing that is not really in my interests but that I could claim as mine.

Hunter showed what happens to a lot of people. You can be smart and have good competition skills, but when it comes down to strategy, if you play emotionally you're screwed. After seeing what went on with Tevin, why would he think he could trust anything that anyone said to him? Just play the stupid idol.

Liz crying about her "move" being discounted make me hope she's a zero vote finalist because I can't stand her. It also confirms to me that she's definitely not the winner. If there wasn't a clearer edit for a winner than Kenzie I don't know who's ever had one. I'd be shocked if she didn't ship this and the editors would have pulled a serious fast one.

Q, Venus, Tiff all drawing dead. Tiff has been way too loud about everything. Have no idea where Ben will end up but final four has to be Kenzie, Charlie, Maria, Liz/Ben.

You know who had 0 'game moves' on their resume to claim?

A lady who won two times out of two called Sandra Diaz Twine

Truthfully, she won the first one because Lil made probably one of the top 5 boneheaded moves in Survivor history by taking her to FTC instead of JFP. The second win she earned by making sure she was sitting next to two people the jury hated more. And she's played four times, not two - the other two times she was voted out in the middle.

Isn't the bolded a solid Survivor skill?

It's the best Survivor skill.

Exactly my point. The overwhelming majority of winners, including Sandra who won the first two times she played didn't win due to a 'flashy resume'. They won by sticking their bum in a final tribal seat next to people less liked and/or respected than them.

This trend of claiming credit for moves mentality has only really started in the past few seasons and even then you get people like Xander who had clear 'moves' to claim and.... walked away with 0 votes

Hyper turbo survivor strat

I can think back to the original season where Richard Hatch sat there and told them point blank he outplayed and outwitted every single one of them including getting the majority of them voted out. And he was right, so they gave him the prize. Which IMO is how it should be.

But in s1, they all thought alliances were cheating and for most of the season, nobody discussed who they would vote for before tribal, other than the one guy who voted alphabetically.

I can't understand how Rob Cesternino is trusting Hunter's read on what happened last episode. Hunter got voted out with an idol in his pocket at a point in the game where it was in everyone's best interests to get rid of Hunter if they could make it happen...which they did. Obviously, Hunter's reads are flawed. He clearly could not discern what was about to happen nor what should happen if people are making decisions with their best interests in mind. The guy can do a puzzle, hang on a pole, toss a bag, balance and carry $#!%...I trust his judgement in all those areas. I do not put any stock in his ability to figure out or sway people's actions. No evidence to support he's competent in that area.

Cliffs on Hunter's read and Rob's view?