Was it obvious that Malcolm reynold and andrea were all safe as we could vote for them as player of the week?

Him and Eddie def putting out the douche vibes.

Rewatching the TC.

Eddie: I'm one of three that might go home, but I'd rather play my own game than be someone's puppet.

Anyone think this could have any effect on Sherri's complacency? I mean Phillip himself basically says that she's shooting for being the last fan standing. I'm guessing that the rift between Reyddie and Sherri is too big to be overcome. Malcolm would have to convince Sherri that she's his number 2 and he's probably taken too long to approach her to pull that off. Erik is looking like he's just going to sit there until he gets voted off. Brenda apparently thinks she has some options within the SRus core alliance. I don't see that (based on her edit), but I can see how she could think she has options even though they've not shown us anyone talking any game with her this entire time. ...Not looking good for Malc.

How badly did Andrea hurt her position this week? If at all? Will her people just be glad that things worked out and disregard that she made them jump through hoops because she sprayed information about their plan to Eddie (also making their plan more risky IMO...the other side had more information on which to make their own decisions too)? Or will Andrea move to the top of the list of expendable people during this phase of getting rid of the athletic males? Will this all blow over for her?

Corinne was an option last week.

Does anyone know that?

I think a lot of you tend to forget that all the strategizing and planning is being done on little food and sleep. That's what makes some people get overly emotional and perhaps not make the "perfect" move.

Dawn knows that she talked to Eddie and got spooked and changed the vote afterwards. There was no conversations which showed how much she revealed about what was said between her and Eddie. When she goes to get the vote changed...Cochran and Phillip were both not happy about it, but agreed to change. Dawn was...like her world had collapsed because she had been lying her ass off for this plan and now Andrea had blown it up.

There's a decent chance they will be like, shew...good thing we voted Michael (because of the way things played out), but who knows if that's what goes down if the Eddie/Andrea conversation never happens.

Right. But there's a huge difference between the Andrea that is excited about pulling one over on Malcolm. And the one that is worried she might get voted out because of idol play. Both Andrea's where going on little food and sleep and knew they had an idol already. I'm just wondering if Malcolm revealed his idol (which wasn't shown) or Eddie simply made her so nervous that there was another idol that she freaked out about a second idol being played.

The conversations they showed of Andrea campaigning to get the vote changed...her team wasn't happy. Whether because they were just non-plussed about having to make the change at all. Or because the reason they were having to make the change was because Andrea talked to Eddie and all the baggage that comes with that. Or because having to make the change...it sort of shows a lack of trust from Andrea that they had control of the votes and information (which of course, they didn't have control of information because Andrea talked to Eddie).

edit: One of the BR rules is not allowing your team to fraternize with the other team.

Such a great episode.

1) amazing read by malcom at TC, yes it was obvious thanks to Philip, but he still followed through which leads me to my next point
2) what balls, he knows they might be gunning for him, let's play the idol... but not his idol, Reynold's idol. ****ING GENIUS

The leveling war between malcom/andrea where she said "malcom's a great liar, I mean I'm lying to him and he's lying to me" - that was great

Eddie done ****ed up, he's playing with the wrong head

Hope Reynold and Malcom can find the 2nd idol again. Don't really like Reynold, but I'm rooting for Malcom so he comes with the territory. He ain't that bad

Hopefully SRU sees andrea as a threat and votes her off next week.

I don't think they will see her as as big of a threat as Malcolm and company and it will take them a while to get rid of all those people. However, I think she vaulted herself to the top of the expendable list within her alliance. Not that she wasn't probably already there simply because she's the biggest challenge threat within her core alliance--I just think she may have damaged trust as well. Once Malcolm and Co. are gone, the rest should be trying for Andrea and Erik...whichever loses immunity. And once they whittle down a bit more, they can easily substitute either of those into a spot where one of Malcolm's group is safe because of immunity.

I think it's interesting to have someone like Malcolm in the game where he approaches people about changing their stars (in a less pushy way than some other survivors...Jim/Marty types), but he and his people botched his best opportunities. Road ahead looks pretty bleak.

Soncy, are you saying Andrea gave Eddie too much info or that SRU will think she gave too much? I disagree with the former(although, while watching I thought she was going to give too much, and she came close, but she wasn't close to obvious enough for a guy like Eddie) but the latter is possible, maybe even probable. I don't think it'll amount to Andrea losing much, if any, of her standing in the game, though.

Malcolm Freberg ‏@MalcolmWHW 3m
My most impressive Survivor feat to-date was convincing Eddie to actually vote against a hot girl. I think I broke his brain.

She's been talking out of school with the other side, but we don't know what all information was shared* and neither does her group. She implemented a change of plans that no one in her alliance was too keen about--which I think could be damaging to trust (at minimum Dawn is pissed that she had to jump through hoops for no good reason). However, she might have gotten lucky that... Malcolm ended up sussing that he was on the outs and played Reynold's idol on himself...which can be blamed on Phillip, but...

*Though her pshhht denial that Malcolm was the target was a pretty big red flag and could have caused the other team to change their plans up to and including playing two idols on two of the people that weren't named Eddie if they thought Andrea was telling him the truth on trusting her that he wasn't going home.

How is that an amazing read? He was wrong...

The part where Reynold gave him his Idol was good though.

Also I don't think Malcolm has to or will try to say he went along with the plan all along voting Reynold. I think he must think, after that TC, that SRUS thinks it was him who wanted to vote out Andrea.

Also to the guy who said Eric touching Andrea's hair was a sign to vote for Micheal would have to believe that Eric is calling the shots, which is clearly not happening.

Any chance Philip intentionally worded his speech the way he did to ensure that Malcolm thought votes were going his way?

malcolm doesnt even matter in their mind, he doesnt have an idol.

But reynold does and im sure they wanted him to use his.

You seem to be in the minority, but I'm with you. Everything before the II for the prior two episodes was unambiguously bad. Saying he made a "good read" at the end is like saying somebody who folded KK preflop made a "good read" because his opponent had a non-shown AA on the PRIOR hand. The read was dead wrong if we take the edit at face value and he sniffed trouble towards the end of TC. Worst case scenario is that he was embarrassingly bluffed by Phillip. Best case scenario is that he had it planned hours before TC (before the vote was changed to Michael), but that would force people ITT to admit to a deceptive edit.

Yea it's possible.

I think it was... okay. For all the praise Malcolm gets and all the blasting Corinne gets, Malcolm's play was worse than Corinne's. Malcolm made the same "mistake" Corinne made in trying to recruit Dawn (not actually sure this was even a mistake), but Malcolm had the added information of Dawn not voting with them the tribal before. Additionally, Malcolm made a short-sighted mistake not playing both idols (I said this was "arguable" before but I'm now convinced it's not. Think of it this way- if he plays both idols now, his alliance has 2.5 idols over the next two tribals instead of just 2, at the risk of giving away .5 idols to the alliance that doesn't need them).

These mistakes are mitigated somewhat by the fact that the plan had a strong probability of success if it wasn't for Eddie being an idiot. Overall Malcolm had his head in the right place but made a couple mistakes, which is more than can be said of most people who found themselves in his position in seasons past. People are definitely evaluating gameplay decisions through tinted goggles though.

How was Malcolm's play worse than Corinne's? It would have worked if not for Eddie being an idiot. There was nothing Malcolm could have done.

still kinda lol'ing at the crazy face andrea was making.

She was in total hysteric shock thinking what eddie told her meant she was going home. She had not come close to looking like that... ever...

I guess you care more about idols once you know you're the one going home if it's used correctly. The "alliance's" best move might not be yours at that point.

I don't know how else to say it. Corinne's mistake was misjudging Dawn's loyalty under reasonable assumptions. Malcolm made the same exact mistake but with the added information of the vote before. It's unlikely SRU would have even entertained the idea of cutting Malcolm this vote if he didn't say anything to the wrong people. That would have made their voting more predictable and the likelihood of a successful idol play greater.

Corinne's play was actually close to optimal. People are just too annoyed by her to recognize it.

Corinne didn't need dawn at that time. That plan should've never got past Corinne and Malcolm until after Sherri was gone.

Awesome episode. Malcolm is a really good player. I wish they would get more strategic players. The fans this season have been awful from an entertainment and strategic standpoint. I'm thinking based off his edit thus far Coch wins this thing.