Yeah I can agree with Parvati's game being akin with Sophie's game, in particular the flaws in their social games.

I think Parvati would win if she orchestrated Russell's boot after Danielle got booted and went to the end with Sandra and Jerri. Sandra's appeal to the heroes would no longer be so successful, and Jerri would have no argument to stand on given she was always in Russell's pocket. Parvati would win some of the heroes' respect votes that went to Sandra. I think she could have at least won Candice and JT's vote.

That's what astounds me most about Parvati. She won the game in Micronesia but doesn't seem to get why she won the votes. Or maybe Amanda's terrible performance at final tribal council meant that Parvati had no idea how successful her own final tribal performance was in Micronesia. Her simplistic sell that she best represented the game's motto "Outwit, outplay, outlast" is laughable. I guess thats the reason why she voted for Ozzy to win in the cook islands - because he won some individual immunities.

I mentioned the similarities between Parvati's HvV game and Colby's Aust/ Becky - Cook Islands/Natalie - Samoa because the respect levels between the former and latter are so different.
For those that think Parvati's HvV game is great:
1. Do you think any of these games are bad (Colby - Aust/ Becky - Cook Islands/Natalie - Samoa)
2. If you think they are bad, why is there such a difference of your opinion between Parvati and any of the 3?
- is it really only because Parvati had the biggest target on her back pregame?

I think of the 3 games, Natalie will get the most mutual respect, while Becky will receive the least amount. I don't think that how Yul or Russell played should be a determinant of whether Becky/Pavati played a good game.

People attacking Colby's game is news to me. However, his position was extremely straightforward after he had post-merge majority and even more trivial after he won individual immunity a half dozen times in a row. I just don't see much to discuss.

Haven't seen Cook Islands, can't comment there. But it's good that the discussion at least divorces results from gameplay. But then...*

I'm not sure where the praise for Natalie's game is coming from. She didn't "choose" to take Russell to the end, she went into the merge as a tribe of four. There were no options for her, she was painted into a corner and stuck with Russell because she had no choice. Like Colby, her gameplay was very straightforward and as far as I remember (having not watched Samoa since its original run), she didn't put into motion any of the events that led to Foa Foa's eventual win (Erik voted out, Shambo switching, Russell finding and playing an idol). She also didn't manage to get Russell to give her his idol on the 5-5 Foa Foa/Galu split vote that basically decided the game (a line I had suggested all the way back during Samoa's original run, just to get blasted by people who probably praise Russell giving Parvati his idol a season later, which was a much less impactful play). So what decision did she make? Voting out Jaison? It's not that she's necessarily bad, but she didn't really set in motion the biggest plays that resulted in her win.

*My issue with your stance on Parvati is that your argument that Parvati wouldn't have let Danielle get voted out is results-oriented. Russell's decision to vote out Danielle wasn't rational and likely doomed both of their chances of winning. It's not a knock against Parvati if Russell decides to do crazy **** for the hell of it, especially since it was probably in Russell's selfish, rational interests to keep Danielle around. Your argument that Parvati should have voted Russell out is moot because Russell had individual immunity at F4 (but I said essentially the same thing earlier ITT with a slightly different reason).

I'm not sure where I knocked Parvati for being unable to predict that Russell would go all nuts and kick out his ally Danielle, although her hiding the Outback Steakhouse HII from him was a contributing factor.

I just mentioned that if she didn't want to be considered secondary (2nd in line like Colby, Becky and Natalie), she had a chance to take control of the game and blindside Russell on Courtney's boot episode. She would head into the merge with herself, Danielle, Jerri, Sandra and Courtney and potential allies in Amanda and Candice from the heroes.
Instead she chose to be loyal like she always has been, and stick solid with the Danielle-Russell final 3 she established on day 1 (like the Amanda-Cirie one). There was not much to suggest that Russell would be a goat of epic proportions who would self destruct his own chances with every week.

OppositeAttract had just posed the question of whether she improves her winning chances by booting Russell at final 5 or 6, and going to the end with Sandra and Jerri. In my opinion, Jerri is a true coat tail rider who just listened to Russell and that would gather no respect with the jury. Sandra's main selling point was that she was against Russell and tried to play with the heroes. If Russell was blindsided by Parvati, some of the Sandra's respect votes from the heroes would flow to Parvati and she would have the upper hand, and a greater chance of victory.
It didn't help her final tribal speech when she mentioned that she kept Russell as her pet. She didn't manage to convince the jury that she ran the show, while she was poisoned by his presence in the final 3.

Has anyone seen the supposed format for Survivor S27? It doesn't seem set in stone thankfully, because it sounds AWFUL.

http://survivorsucks.yuku.com/topic/...1#.UWVGBFc4ydc

Confirmed awful

Wat?

You mean we get another season of the ****ing Hantz'? Granted, I think Shawn is the only one worth watching of the bunch, but holy ****, no thank you.

I dunno
could be terrific

Holy crap. I take it back. Ill put up with kore Hantz for this

How bout instead of russel v shawn, we get russel v melanie

Did you watch HvV. 90% of the cast was out to get Parvati. These people know each other outside of the game so faulting someone for not developing relationships is grasping at straws.

The entire heroes side post merge wanted NOTHING to do with Parvati. They wanted her out so bad that they gave an idol away(not the only reason thy gave it away) to try to blindside her. If you believe Candace or Amanda wouldve worked with her if she takes out Russell pre merge then you obviously didn't watch the season. The only time Amanda wanted anything to do with Parvati was when she was backed into the corner. Up to that point all she did was lie her face off to Parvati.

Colby made the dumbest equity move in the history of survivor. Speaking of their games in the same sentence should be an insta ban.

Becky didn't have much wiggle room in Cook Islands. She's one of the players that might be considered a good player in a different season but due to the idol and yul greatness we will never know.

Natalie played the best game to her ability. I'll give her props for that. Unfortunately her game is very one dimensional and requires a few factors that are out of her control to make it deep and win.

Comparing any of these 3 to Parvati makes me a sad panda.

DAMNIT REID!!!

IM GOING LONG REID!

Anyone suggesting that Natalie was a deserving winner of her season should never watch the show again because they just went full ******. I have never witnessed a bigger travesty of voting by a jury even though some will argue that Russell was stupid because he had a direct hand in booting EVERYBODY and then sat there and told them they suck. Natalie winning had nothing to do with Natalie doing anything beyond being the only alternative to voting Russell and the fact she was that person had nothing to do with her gameplay.

I'm running a TV show power rankings and have been taking nominations and suggestions. I'll probably do a reality show category. If anyone wants to submit some shows, post em in the nomination thread or pm me.

I'd post a link but I'm on my phone.

Russell is someone worthwhile to be attached to as far as being able to beat him in the end. Yul not so much. Don't remember if Becky really had any options there, but being partners with someone who is likely to slay you in the end...not a good spot (...in this way Russell has a problem partnering with anyone). Also, having the target on YOU and being able to dig your claws in and stay in the game tends to garner more respect than not having any sort of target on you. ...Ultimately that would actually depend on why the target is on you (could you solve it with a better social game?). But in any case, it's a lot easier to stay in the game when no one cares to get you out because they perceive you as an easy opponent. Ask Sandra. Anyway, some insight on why I respect Parv's game better than Becky's. (I don't remember the specifics, but I'd guess Becky played a good game for Becky given the situation. I definitely think that Nat White did.)

edit: Also, I may be fat now, but I was a former athlete. I appreciate some measure of athleticism and abilities in challenges. It's not a huge tipping point or anything because the challenges are just a small part of the primary game, but I do tend to give a little credit for being able to win a challenge for yourself if you need to.

Except for Russell's personality.

Helping a friend make picks for his office survivor pool...was curious for everyone's thoughts on the remaining players' equities. Any estimates would be great. Thanks.

a. lol (for multiple reasons)

b. just out of curiosity, how many participants and what does the winner get

Why would this be so awful? (Besides some people's distaste for the Hantzes.) Seems like it would ensure that the post-merge is interesting. Due to this, it would make the middle game shortly before merge more interesting as well, as people prepare for flippers or change alliances to prevent flippers.

game play has nothing to do with a jury vote. playing aggressively and in a way that is appealing to us gamebots here can be a good way to further yourself if you know what you are doing (even more so if those around you don't know what they are doing), but it has little to do with whether or not you will be able to win a jury vote.

I thought it was a little much when Albert said editing gave away the first seven boots in Philippines. Episode five certainly had that new trick (since re-used for Julia in episode six this season) where an invisible player (Katie) gets multiple confessionals out of nowhere but gets booted one council later than expected.

Was Albert taking credit for the "new Dawn" line? Hard to tell if Albert was in on the joke with Colin there.

Cool idea in general, but Erik is the sensitive, artistic type that doesn't want to be a "bro". PeteBro falls for this most of the time though.

Lol at that schoolyard pick results

Also horribly designed challenge

My early guess is it's Sherri tonight.

what a horrible challenge

erik/eddie/reynold had to have been capt. and picked first otherwise lol