Woo is great at challenges, Sandra was great at having an annoying face

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Yeah challenges are not Sandra's thing. It's a whatever, but I like her a lot more than many other winners and think her strategy is a legit way to play and win.

Again not saying she didn't get lucky, or that either of her seasons are even in the top 30 best played seasons ever, but they're both better than all three of Russell's. And she earned both wins.

Who do you think played a better winning season, Sandra in HvV or Natalie White in Samoa?

Sandra (even though I think Natalie's game is also under appreciated). She basically played Natalie's game- get the aggro dude nobody likes to take me with him- +++ some other stuff, and bonus points for not having seen Samoa when she played.

Woo > Sandra as a Survivor player.

Also Woo is being way underrated ITT. His game is just so free flowing that people are perceiving it as not having strategy. But the great thing about him is his ability to go all-in on a plan, have it fail and then seamlessly transition to a new plan.

Let's have a closer look at Woo's game so far. At the start he is tight with Cliff and the majority group is looking to be Cliff, Lindsey, Sarah and Woo. Things shift after Tony's lie and rather than going in to bat for his friend Cliff, Woo has the presence to just say yes to everything Sarah says and subsequently puts himself in the key position on the tribe. At that point every player on Brawn trusts Woo.

After the tribe swap he follows the logical plan of sticking with the Brawns. Trish goes on about how she doesn't like Cliff or Lindsey but never says a bad word about Woo. Once Cliff is blindsided and the quitter quits, Woo's immediate response is just alright that's cool now we get to start fresh. His confessionals also show that he understands his precarious position but he quickly becomes comfortable with them and is now a swing member in the "top 5" alliance. In this latest episode we see him taking a leading role in discussions about what to do to save the alliance. Granted we don't see him taking any of the actions himself but it shows he has a central role in the alliance.

And now he is in one of the best spots of anyone in the game. His alliance has a majority and if they get down to 5 the logical thing that happens is either Tony or LJ are out in 5th place. Which leaves challenge beast Woo just one immunity win away from being in the final 3 with Trish and Jefra.

Sandra won twice, and in the real world a unique result like that does have some impact with regard to whether someone is perceived as a good player or not.

She does not play the way many here would play, and perhaps Garrett with his accomplishments is a better representative of an approved approach, but she did win twice, so not quite sure how Woo's game play with 10 left in a season in progress can really compare for now. If he ends up winning in an impressive manner then enter him into the discussion with others, but for right now any player half way through their first season would not rate on the top 50 list in terms of "great player," though some like Russell certainly quickly became among the top in terms of good for TV (a list Woo is not a great threat to challenge).

All the best.

I can sort of see it, and there's a chance Woo is a sleeper cell. Remember if he didn't win immunity, he was one of the people Sarah would vote for. Maybe we just didn't see him play because there were so many other stories to follow with him off the table.

Still, I'll continue to defend Sandra and her Yojimbo style of play.

This is a good point. Someone like Morgan will never vote for someone who screws them over. However I want to add that I think there is a difference between Sarah flipping and Kass flipping. Sarah is a lot more likeable and more socially adept than Kass. Therefore, I think she could earn back some of the jury votes she lost by flipping. Kass on the other hand is abrasive, isn't liked, and is hard to live with. I don't she has the social graces needed to earn back jury votes after pissing people off.

The more I learn about Kass the more I think she is just like Lillian Morris with Twila's abrasiveness. I don't think she could ever win this game.

Yeah I agree, for the reasons I stated above.

Yeah this is the information that has come out of Sarah's exit interviews. The rest of Kass's alliance wanted to take her out before 6 as well.

I did the same thing, and was really disappointed. Her twitter is full of spoilery content.

I really don't get how a loud minority of people are comparing Woo and Carter.

Woo has given us insight into his strategy throughout the entire game such as siding with Sarah/Tony/Trish before the swap because he always wants to be in the majority, his thought process before the Cliff blindside (reasons to take out LJ over Jefra), and the fresh start he had with his tribe following Lindsey's quit. We even saw him talking strategy this episode.

Woo's secret scenes divulge more strategy.

Carter on the other hand would just whine and complain about starving and how hungry he was. The only strategy confessional he got was him explaining why he'll vote the way Jeff Kent wants him too. We also saw him tell Penner that they were considering blindsiding him before the Katie boot.

Carter's secret scenes never went deeper than expressing how happy he was that he won individual immunity.

Woo is more likeable, has more strategy, is stronger physically, isn't as boring, and has gotten a better edit (or even an edit for that matter). It's not even close.

I think we've all been wanting to see more of Woo for many episodes now. Bring it! I sincerely hope he's a player.

Looks like JB91 did a much better job.

I second the more Woo.

I think he's been keeping his cards close to the vest. Secret scenes suggest he's been kinda quiet. The other side see's him as sneaky and dangerous...good at challenges.* I think he has useful thoughts going on, I just don't think he is an impose his will on other people type of guy...so we don't see that kind of footage from him.

* which I don't think bodes well for his ultimate longevity. Also, the scenes of people saying how nice he is. I can't imagine anyone wanting to sit next to him in the end.

I think Woo is the best challenge player left in the game

I think the players on this season are smart enough to know that they don't wanna sit next to Woo at the end. I think he goes in the next couple of weeks.

I don't get all the Woo love ITT. He's got potential but he really hasn't done much yet.

Woo tang!

how do you guys rank the remaining contestants in how well they have played so far? oof the top of my head:

tony
spencer
woo
trish
tasha
morgan
LJ
jeremiah
jefra
kass

LJ used to be higher until he blundered the idol this week

Why are Woo and Jefra so far apart? Not that much difference in their games so far imo

In terms of who is in the game to play and win, people might hate me for this but:

Tony
Kass
LJ
Spencer
Woo
Trish
Tasha
Jeremiah
Morgan
Jefra


In terms of where I think people stand atm:

Tony
Jefra
Trish
Woo
LJ
Kass
Tasha
Morgan
Spencer/Jeremiah

In terms of who I think have played the best games so far:

Tony
Trish
Woo
LJ
Jefra
Spencer (Would be higher, but he hasn't been able to do much with his position in the game)
Kass
Tasha
Jefra
Jeremiah
Morgan

yes i agree but my opinion is that woo is much stronger in the challenges and slightly stronger in strategic play than jefra. although both have been taking the sit back and observe type of approach, i think woo has kind of masked his strength as a player whereas jefra might be moreso the face value non-threat that everyone perceives her to be.

I think Spencer is overrated itt. What has he actually done in the game? I can't think of anything. Yes he's in a bad spot, but for what reason do we think he'd be good if he was in a better spot? Haven't seen much out of him, he kind of just floats.

Im speculating that he would be a pretty big social threat if he wasn't in the position he is in. No one on his team will be able to maneuver too well from here on out it seems. Jeremiah and Spencer seem to be drawing pretty thin. He does need to shut up when hes mad though, making the comment to Kass at end of tribal only hurts his relationship more with her and any chance of her loose cannon ass flipping back over for whatever reason.