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Survivor Cagayan - S28 - Brains vs. Beauty vs Brawn Survivor Cagayan - S28 - Brains vs. Beauty vs Brawn

04-03-2014 , 07:53 PM
Curious to know everyone's power rankings atm.

I'd probably go

1. LJ
2. Woo
3. Tony
4. Tasha
5. Spencer

I can easily see it getting to the stage where the final four is either Tony or LJ plus Woo, Trish and Jefra and then Woo wins immunity. I have Tasha at 4 because I think she should be in the number 7 position atm and she will have a chance to rally an allliance of four women.
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04-03-2014 , 08:02 PM
A Woo win would be a Sandra win; pure accident.
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04-03-2014 , 08:04 PM
I think I would probably flip Spencer with Tasha but besides that it looks quite accurate based off the current dynamics. I have a strong feeling Woo will make it very far and then get Carter'd around 5th/6th.
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04-03-2014 , 08:08 PM
I couldn't help myself and had to check out Kass' twitter to see the venom that was spewed her way, was not disappointed. People like Tasha and Spencer had no problems dishing it out but I also found this gem from our boy Garrett.

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Garrett Adelstein ‏@GarrettAdelstei

Shocker, Kass's complete lack of strategic and social ability on display yet again. She really needed more hugs growing up. #Vindication4Me


I can't breathe #Vindication4Me had me in tears lol. Someone posted earlier that Garrett's terrible performance doesn't look so bad now that we see what a disaster Kass is. I kinda agree. Garrett was thrown into a tribe with a bunch of buffoons.

Like poker, you have to make the best with the hand that you are dealt. However as much as we want to harp on how badly Sarah played this week I don't think there was much anyone can do when you have someone who's in full ****** mode like Kass is on your tribe. I just don't think in their wildest dreams did her tribe even remotely considered that Kass would flip given her position in the game. It's not like we are at the end game, there's 11 players left.

When you have someone who's completely irrational and void of logic, there's not much you can do. You can say you'll play it a certain way but unless you're there and have to deal directly with someone like Kass, you'll just never know. They played it perfectly in voting out Jeffra. If this was any other season without someone so insane on your tribe, this would've worked flawlessly.
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04-03-2014 , 08:08 PM
Yeah Woo is gonna need a late immunity run imo. The only people who would want to take him to the end are the ones who can beat him.
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04-03-2014 , 08:14 PM
Also not enough love for Trish ITT, this was a big episode for Trish. This was discussed on RHAP. Steven gave Trish credit for how she handled Kass. Trish pretty much saved her alliance. Her approach to handling Kass is night and day compared to the way Sarah did.
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04-03-2014 , 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
A Woo win would be a Sandra win; pure accident.
Except Woo will have had to win several immunities in order to get there which isn't nothing.

Here's the thing people, Tony doesn't want to sit with LJ or Woo at the end. LJ doesn't want to sit with Tony or Woo at the end. Woo maybe doesn't care as much, but surely Trish+Kass > Tony+LJ or either of those guys + x. Kass might find a way to screw this up form here, but the tribe she flipped to should be falling all over themselves trying to get to the end with HER not each other.

And since the players aren't supposed to care about getting stabbed in the back, jury votes should still be live.
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04-03-2014 , 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Soncy
Except Woo will have had to win several immunities in order to get there which isn't nothing.

Here's the thing people, Tony doesn't want to sit with LJ or Woo at the end. LJ doesn't want to sit with Tony or Woo at the end. Woo maybe doesn't care as much, but surely Trish+Kass > Tony+LJ or either of those guys + x.
Never underestimate the power of the bromance. Just like in real life, men get along better than women. My ideal final 2, LJ and Tony. Also throw in Trish in the mix with final 2 as I think she played a huge role for her alliance this season, well deserved.

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04-03-2014 , 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by housenuts
Tony probably wanted her to swear on her badge which is something she wasn't willing to do.
Yea because she is stupid
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04-03-2014 , 08:58 PM
OK, here's me on the rewatch:

Opens with Spencer super happy because they have 6 and the other guys have 5. They control the game. Then, it's still night time after TC, and they are discussing who their potential targets are. Sarah says they need to decide who their number one and number two picks are. Tasha says, "So who's our first person?" Kass says, "Trish, randomly." Spencer says, "Or Jeffra, but I don't think anyone is off the table." They happily agree that they are the final six...as long as no one flips. (I'm not sure if it's notable that Sarah is the one saying, as long as no one flips?)

Next day opens on Kass and Sarah walking on the beach together. Kass says she thought last night went really well and they seem solid. Sarah says the key is to be tight lipped so they have no clue who is getting voted for. (I don't know, Sarah, another key might be to placate them and make them feel comfortable by swearing on your badge that you are with them. Just a thought.)

I don't know why Kass insists on honestly telling people how she feels about them. She did it with J'Tia and now she's doing it with Sarah. Saying that Sarah and Jeremiah are the only two she has concerns about. Maybe she curiously doesn't think that stating the obvious should be inflammatory, as it's completely true that Sarah and Jeremiah both had some prior working relationships on the other side that could concern a person. But saying it to Sarah...you can't expect that to make her feel very comforted and you want your allies to feel comfortable. Also, it suggests that Kass feels good about her Brain alliance and also that she feels that Morgan is solid. Why suggest to Sarah that she's in a group of sketchy 2 in Kass's 6? How does she not realize that it's going to be hard for Sarah to take that comment positively?

But wait, on the other side of it, how about a lower keyed response, Sarah? paraphrased: "I'm not flipping. I'm NOT. I'm NOT. It offends me that you suggest that I would." (Let's be fair, Sarah, you're flipping on the new guys or you're flipping on Tony, Trish, and Woo--not that there's anything wrong with that. Cops R Us to the end, right?) During that bit, Kass says that she doesn't think she's flipping and she doesn't mean to offend her, but Kass's tone...she has a tone. I can get behind some guy chucking stones at Kass's glass house of a social game, because she is bizarrely honest with people about things she shouldn't be, then has this...passive aggressive tone of superiority with them when they get irritated with her. Don't irritate the swing vote, Kass.

I'm pretty sure Sarah is trying to make up her mind what to do, but she wants people to treat her like she's solid--understandable...fine. Even so, maybe this also isn't the best thing to say, "People think the demise of this tribe will be someone flipping," {kass nodding yes} "Nuh-Uh, the demise is going to be not trusting people on this tribe." So...basically. Kass: I'm not sure I trust you. Sarah: Well, if you don't trust me, I'm going to give you a reason for not trusting me. Then, they shake on it.

Anyway, this was the beginning of Kass and Sarah making enemies when they should be making friends.

Last edited by Soncy; 04-03-2014 at 09:14 PM.
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04-03-2014 , 09:03 PM
Sarah sandwich is best place to be to die happy
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04-03-2014 , 09:15 PM
Tony is growing on me.

Spencer is in the driver's seat. He's tight with Sarah. He's tight with Jeremiah. He's tight with this group of 6 who can potentially run the game post merge. Wheeee!

Other tribe asks for the scoop on voting out Alexis. Jeremiah mumbles, she turned on me, so I voted her out.

Last edited by Soncy; 04-03-2014 at 09:23 PM.
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04-03-2014 , 09:21 PM
Yeah rewatching those scenes between Kass and Sarah, it's like a competition of who can play worse.
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04-03-2014 , 09:43 PM
I thought Tony really did a nice job of trying to woo Sarah back to their side. Possibly a bit too eager, but other than that, he pushed, but also didn't seem like he got too aggressive with her even though SHE was being super shadey and was clearly resistant to his arguments and hesitant to commit.

Its funny some of his wording though. He guarantees she will move forward with them (but she thinks she's 'moving forward' regardless...and how wrong that turned out to be)--but saying she'll move forward is probably understating what he should be telling her. In a confessional, he wants to convince her he's not lying when he tells her he wants her to come with them and move forward as opposed to going to the other side...well, yeah. I shouldn't think it's a hard sell to convince her that you really really want her to help you instead of helping the other side. Probably should have been droning on about final 2/3 the entire conversation. Also, I wonder what she would have done if he had outed his idol to her?
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04-03-2014 , 09:54 PM
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Yeah rewatching those scenes between Kass and Sarah, it's like a competition of who can play worse.
Why did Sarah decide to not flip back to Brawn--I feel like her flipping back might have been more understandable/forgivable given that she was original Brawn? Did she feel more 'in' with Spencer/Tasha/Jeremiah? Does she see Tony, Woo, and LJ as too good in the challenges to be overcome in the long run--too hard to beat in the end? Did she feel that Tony was more loyal to others than herself? "Do we have Trish?" was one of the questions she asked Tony when they were talking. She can't be asking after Trish about the upcoming vote. Who else would have Trish? She was concerned about Trish being more loyal to LJ maybe--but how could she know that was even a concern?
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04-03-2014 , 10:10 PM
I think part of it might be that she was so genuinely offended by Kass' suspicion that she didn't want to validate it by flipping.

And I don't think she should be criticized for not swearing on her badge to Tony. That's just one of those things like Johnny Fairplay's dead grandma bit. Yes, it's a game, but it's also real people having real interactions.
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04-03-2014 , 10:14 PM
Didn't she say trish and LJ won't be tight or something like that?

I think she felt she had better control of the brains(lol). I don't think she had a close relationship with trish and she probably felt she'd be riding Tonys coattails if she went with them.
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04-03-2014 , 10:20 PM
That's what she said, yeah. Would rather be in with the weaker group. Just speculating on possible underlying motives, because the pitch Tony made to her was mostly the truth.
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04-03-2014 , 10:27 PM
During the Sarah, Jeremiah, Kass conversation. Sarah is insisting LJ does not have an idol and should go home first. Kass says she thinks he DOES have an idol. Kass says that someone has the beauty idol and Jeremiah says it's not him...he thinks LJ has it. He thinks someone like Jefra should go first (is he consciously offering up Jefra because he knows as former beauty, that looks better for him? Trying to mitigate the fact that he's arguing against LJ by arguing FOR the other beauty?) Sarah insists it has to be LJ or Woo because 'we have to get a strong guy out'. She's saying this to Jeremiah. I'm not sure if he's supposed to be happy about what she is saying. Does she not think of Jeremiah as a strong guy or is she just announcing that eventually she will also be gunning for getting Jeremiah out like she's gunning for these other guys?

Sarah is insisting Woo. Kass says, if not Woo, then Trish. "No. No! That's a terrible idea," says Sarah to the lady who prides herself on having good ideas--I'm sure that sat well with her. I'm not really sure why they are saying LJ and Woo, but not Tony. And Jeremiah is offering up Jefra, but Sarah is insisting NOT TRISH. She's saying it's because Trish is not a threat, but I know I'd have to be wondering if it was more because Sarah was closely aligned with Trish from before and was unwilling to let her go because she thought of her as a potential asset. An aside of Sarah saying it's idiotic of people to be picking fights with her, but I'm pretty sure she was the mule digging her heels in...and perhaps idiotically picking a fight with someone she shouldn't be picking a fight with...hmmmm.

Sarah reiterating that it's stupid to vote out Trish. Catastrophic for them. Kass: What if Woo wins immunity? It's not gonna be LJ. Finally Sarah says, then Tony, and Jeremiah and Kass echo.

Sarah: "Trish is hooked to Tony. Trish is not hooked to LJ. Trust me."

Kass expresses concern in confessional that Sarah is digging her heels in on who they can't vote for--questions her loyalty.

Jeremiah says they can't fuss with each other. Sarah says she doesn't want to be bullied. Leaves unsaid that she prefers the role of bully, but that's okay, her actions have been clear.

Sarah says Tony flat out told her she could pick who went home if she sides with them. Again, Kass not comforted by that tidbit. Not sure Jeremiah should be comforted either given Sarah's desire to target athletic males.

Kass says she can't even look at Sarah, she just wants to punch her sometimes. (I'm guessing that wouldn't end well for Kass.)
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04-03-2014 , 10:31 PM
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Why did Sarah decide to not flip back to Brawn--I feel like her flipping back might have been more understandable/forgivable given that she was original Brawn? Did she feel more 'in' with Spencer/Tasha/Jeremiah? Does she see Tony, Woo, and LJ as too good in the challenges to be overcome in the long run--too hard to beat in the end? Did she feel that Tony was more loyal to others than herself? "Do we have Trish?" was one of the questions she asked Tony when they were talking. She can't be asking after Trish about the upcoming vote. Who else would have Trish? She was concerned about Trish being more loyal to LJ maybe--but how could she know that was even a concern?
On RHAP she said she wanted to get back with Trish, Woo and Tony but the other 5 were adamant she wouldn't get there votes if she flipped, but she still wanted to get back with Trish and Woo later in the game even if Tony went home last night

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04-03-2014 , 10:32 PM
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lol what exactly did he do well in this episode? I do find him mega entertaining though.
I think it's more that he finally reached the tipping point in terms of entertainment/strategy/likability > obnoxious grandstanding for me. Should have probably been much earlier.

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Yup. As much as I think Trish is terrible this (at least from the editing) was all due to her.
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- Well played by Trish in how she interacted with Kass. Letting her decide who she wants to go. Not played too hard, not too desperate or patronizing.
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Pretty lol that Trish was the best player this episode. Improved her position through her own actions and didn't make any errors at tribal.
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Also not enough love for Trish ITT, this was a big episode for Trish. This was discussed on RHAP. Steven gave Trish credit for how she handled Kass. Trish pretty much saved her alliance. Her approach to handling Kass is night and day compared to the way Sarah did.
Truth is the truth. Kass is an over-emotional idiot and I still don't like Trish too much, but that was a smooth sway. Not as strong as Coach's on Cochran or a few others, but top 10.
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04-03-2014 , 10:38 PM
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On RHAP she said she wanted to get back with Trish, Woo and Tony but the other 5 were adamant she wouldn't get there votes if she flipped, but she still wanted to get back with Trish and Woo later in the game even if Tony went home last night
I love when people worry about jury votes with 11 people left. Always ends well.
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04-03-2014 , 10:42 PM
I think it's a combination of things. It's been mentioned before, people who flip on their alliance after a merge risks alienating their tribe's jury votes. It's happened in prior seasons. The threat is so great that you'll blow up your chance of winning it all, that's why most people just stay put. When people do flip its because they have no other choice and feel they have to flip because it's obvious they're at the bottom of the alliance, ala Cochran.

This was not the case for Kass which makes her decision to flip so nonsensical. She did it purely on an emotional level and wanted to put Sarah in her place. Just awful in every way. Sarah was clearly playing to win it so she doesn't want to lose jury votes.
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04-03-2014 , 11:03 PM
Kass and Sarah continue their passive aggressive battle at the camp fire in front of Trish, the non-threat. Trish, the non-threat, detects a ***** in the armor and a light bulb goes off. Cut to Sarah telling Tasha and Kass that Trish does no strategizing.

Kass is still chipped off about being called a bully. I feel sorry for Tasha because she's trying to placate two people who are more concerned about 'being right' than being right--which apparently is what we humans do according to a Cracked.com article I read recently. It appears Sarah is wanting some sympathy about the tough position she is in. She went from feeling powerful to feeling (probably more accurately) used/manipulated...something like that. Tasha is trying to smooth things over with Sarah, and shuts down Kass while Kass is in mid rant about being called a bully. Sarah says she doesn't think Kass likes her, Kass rolls her eyes, Sarah says that is an attack, Kass acts like she's stupid (which is a total attack). Then...Tasha: "Let me ask you a question. Does it matter if Kass likes you? If you don't like Kass, vote Kass out." Uhhhh, Tasha...I think that was a little too next level for Kass in this moment. These two are fighting like insecure children. Both of them. You can't placate one and seemingly write the other one off. I mean, you can, but it's ill advised and contrary to your goal.
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04-03-2014 , 11:06 PM
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I love when people worry about jury votes with 11 people left. Always ends well.
Why wouldn't they? It's a game for a million dollars, you have to have all your bases covered. Having a plan to get to the end is only one aspect of the game. If you get yourself to the end and but no one will vote for you, then you're just playing the game like Russell Hantz and deserve not to win. Put yourself in Spencer's shoes. Kass probably just fked him out of a million dollars on a vote that makes no sense. No chance he'll ever give his vote to Kass to win it all and I don't blame him.
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