Just read that Meghan is married in real life. The dream dies.

Thing is, we´re lead to believe he´s this genius type and still he does super ******ed stuff basically every episode.

I mean, Harvey said "overall, he comes out ahead", but I don´t see why.

No, the probability of boredom and thus a Playboy photoshoot has increased.

all of a sudden Mike HAD to tell the bitch he was a fraud...where did this come from. really fkn random.

edit I see this was discussed.

I think the show is just falling into the new USA trap. It's very soap opera like now, and I think most of the newer shows are being forced into ridiculous and forced conflicts. The show has lost a great amount of the appeal it had in season 1. The biggest storyline they set up in season 1 was "will Mike get caught?", and then they just showed us character personalities, along with Mike's growth inside the firm. It's not dissimilar to any of the "will they, won't they?" romantic storylines in a lot of TV shows, but they made the huge mistake of paying off that conflict very early.

While the biggest storyline was important to the story, it got to a point where I just wanted it to go away. The fake Harvard degree solved that, and I thought we could move on. Trevor was a constant wild card, but there was absolutely no reason for him to have been brought back at the end of the season. That's evidently the other new directive from USA, build in constant conflict. Burn Notice did that in their mini season last November, and every other show I have been watching on USA lately has been filled with tons more conflict than usual.

For Suits, they have added love triangles, and romantic relationships that are just completely unnecessary. As has been stated, the show is at its best when we are exploring Mike's mind, along with how Harvey acts and treats every situation. Jessica was great as a supporting character in the first season, but her part expansion is just not working right. We have no clue why her and Harvey are so scared of Hardman coming back, but we do know that they blackmailed him to get him to leave. It's pretty unlikely the guy has really changed, but you never know.

It's been awhile, but I seem to remember the first season was all about people basically blackmailing each other to get what they want. The only foil that was necessary for this show was Louis, who worked as pretty much a perfect foil for both Harvey and Mike. Donna was his foil, and their interactions have always been among the best on the show. Louis has kind of been relegated to second tier status in the new season, and he just doesn't even feel like any kind of a remote threat, or even like a foil anymore. I'm sure that's going to change once the big guy comes back, as he is clearly going to ally with him.

I really don't get why we're not getting the exploration of Mike's extremely uncommon ability more, but hopefully once they set everything up, everything will fall back into the show we're used to seeing. I think you really need to treat this season as if it's the first season, as it appears they really just treated the first season as a character set up, more than anything else, based on how the second season has begun. It's just a different show, now, but that doesn't mean it won't eventually become good again, or get back to the things that did make it work in the first season.

They basically scrubbed the two worst characters on the show (Trevor and Jenny), so they have to replace them with other wild card conflicts, which now will probably be filled by Jessica and Hardman. Those are better places to have conflicts come from than some random douchebag friend, and some idiot woman Mike shouldn't have been with in the first place. It really does appear they have basically started over, and it just might take a little while to get where they need to go.

Agree for the most part. It feels like they are trying to make Harvey center stage this season.. which I think I'll be fine with, but it could backfire as well as part of Harvey's awesomeness is that he seems pretty much untouchable. I feel like last seasons Harvey would have figured out how to help the guy and get the bankruptcy guy on their side. I realize Harvey can't win all the time.. but he made such a clear long term mistake.. and Jessica didn't see it coming... And that's very unlike both characters.

Vulnerable Harvey doesn't really make much sense (his vulnerability should come much more slowly as Mike turns him into more of a human being, it's just too fast for my taste). The fact that Jessica didn't see that coming was a major flaw in the writing. Harvey has already "betrayed" her multiple times this season, so she shouldn't have seen it as some "OMG, I can't believe he did that!".

I agree that Harvey's problem solving skills are usually top notch, and even top notcher (lolword) with Mike. Again, I just think that was meant to set up conflict (fake) between Jessica and Harvey, and obviously the bankruptcy lawyer guy is going to play some kind of important contrarian role in the future. Last year's Harvey would have easily made that work without stepping on the guy's toes, because he was just so smooth at resolving conflict (he must be to almost never have to go to court). He's "off his game" this season.

Another weakness is that it seems strange that Jessica would immediately want Harvey to try to close that guy's vote, when he absolutely hated, or at the very least resented, Harvey from what I could tell. It seems like their best bet would have been to go after the swing vote people first, and then go after the hard people like that guy. Of course, that wouldn't involve conflict, which is probably directive number one at USA this season. No one on here watches Fairly Legal, most likely, but USA really screwed that show up, too, and it went from being really enjoyable in its first season to barely watchable, for me (though it has mostly gotten better as the season progressed, which is why I have hope for Suits to improve in the same way).

So far, Franklin & Bash is still clicking on most of the same cylinders that made that show enjoyable last season. They've made the "foil" move in another direction, and are expanding a really good character (Pindar), which has actually made the show even more likable. It also doesn't really seem full of itself, which was a big fear I had after such an unexpectedly excellent first season.

i have 2 things to say about this show

- this is some poor writing (for all reason already mentioned itt)
- rachel is hot

Episode 1 was great, 2nd oen not so much. Agree with everyone about too much drama, and Mike's reason for breaking up with Rachel was beyond stupid.

Furthermore, some of the "villians" in this show are the guys I root for. Louis is a hard-working, huge asset to the firm, yet Jessica treats him poorly. Hardman was blackmailed by Jessica in order to get him to leave the firm, b/c they threatended to tell his dying wife that he cheated on her? Who is the bad guy here? Harvey slept with a married woman iirc. As much as I love Harvey's character, Jessica sucks, and Louis is the best of the bunch. I hope Hardman and Louis kick her ass out of the firm.

Harvey didn't sleep with the married woman. The woman told her husband (the judge) she cheated on him with Harvey.. but she came on to Harvey and he sent her home in a cab due to his "i don't sleep with married women" policy.

i have faith this show will get back to the level it was at during season 1

He did sleep with that woman that was engaged (the woman he went to Harvard with) but I believe he didn't know until afterward.

This was their poorest showing thusfar.

I think there is potential for the Daniel Hardman storyline. It just hasnt developed yet.

It also helps if you have ever worked in professional services like this; to me it helps you enjoy the show more.

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Right, this is what I was referring to.

Either way, Jessica's stance should make her the villian IMO.

Despite agreeing with everyone I feel like I have to argue on this one. Mike has been established as a decent guy who tries to do the "right" thing. He really likes Rachel and wants to start a relationship with her. Not only should he be trying to be honest with her, in general but especially so on the law degree. Rachel is a character who really wants to be a lawyer but just couldn't (can't? I can't remember how that arc played out last season, lol) pass the bar. It would be pretty rough on their relationship if he didn't tell her about the lack of a law degree and she found out down the line. Even if she never found out, Mike is not the kind of guy that would want to continue in the relationship without being honest about the degree. I think that's been clearly established.

That said, I think they're handling it really poorly and I agree that this was the worst episode. I felt like there was something off with the first episode, too, fwiw.

I think the story with Gale could be okay. I think they should have wrote it better so we have a reason to think he's a threat to Harvey and Veronica but when he eventually proves to be such a threat I think it'll be okay.

He played the newspaper dude on the wire and a bad dude on damages, too. He also played the husband of the stalker on flight of the conchords. lol, awesome character and this guy is a great actor. If only I could remember his name.

You know there's nothing on TV when this of all shows is getting bunches of posts inbetween episodes. I like the show though, but hope they don't get too soap operay and actually do some Mike wizarding and Harvey pwning.

definitely agree with this. i dont see any reason to root against louis and for jessica/harvey

would be awesome if there was a banking version of suits,

incoming without the lovey dovey drama CYA

I agree with most of this including about Franklin and Bash (amazing cold open to the season by the way) but I think it's too early to write Suits off. It's only been two episodes and whilst the show looks like it is heading down a dangerous road and nothing is working right now (lol) I think that it could still be fixed. Someone on that show is clearly talented and they might be able to find away of making the show work within USA's restrictions.

A meh episode. More stupid drama with Mike. Harvey and Jessica didn't look quite so bad this week. Lewis stuff was good. I must have missed that hardman was embezzling from customers I guess... That story is a little clearer but still meh.

Donna and what's her name at the bar was good. Anyone else catch that the guy that dared what's her name to recite the constitution was the same guy Mike went drinking with last season in order to get those stock trades?

Glad to see the Boston lawyer back next week.. he and Harvey played well off each other I thought.

I thought it was pretty good and a great rebound. Dialogue was spot on. I can do without the Mega/Mike story, but it didnt run the episode like last week.

Yeah my post didn't really show that I thought it was much better than last weeks and hope the show is back on track in two weeks when its back on.

liked this episode, got me back to being interested in the season