Roman's fate was sealed in the penultimate show - his speech or eulogy at Logan's funeral lost Menchken and because Roman refused to let Kendall in on that relationship with Menchken lost it for Kendall too. So Kendall was right at the end of that episode to tell Roman that he blew it and they no longer held the power over Menchken. Roman realised this and that caused him to go awry on the streets. He was broken from that moment on and he had already lost then which is why it came down to Kendall v Shiv in the final episode.

I dont know if we come back from this one, shivvy

One of the greatest lines of all time. “Which one?”

So are we saying that if Lawrence from Vaulter were the new CEO, Shiv would have done the same thing?

If you’re saying Ken needs these displays to convince himself of his own status (like dumb flight jackets and over the top birthdays) than yeah, I can see that, but I don’t think that’s conscious on his part. Whether it’s true arrogance or just performative, he’s not in control.

It worked because they made sure not to drag it out 6 seasons. How much time has elapsed from S1 to S4 in relative years? I feel like we witnessed about a year of their lives, which is about as much as we could tolerate with their antics.

Plus what exactly was Connor going to do now. His character almost certainly ended on election day.

Now that everyone has digested the finale, do they think this is the last we see of these people?

If I had to bet it, I'd bet no....Just think with the streaming wars, content that appeals to a wide swath of people being at such a premium and most of these people being typecast now that in the next 3-5 years something comes about. Maybe that is wrong, we'll see. Mini series, spinoff or just the show comes back for a year.

It was on fumes this season imo, but as we know, memories make the heart go fonder

Season was great and I think they're all done.

It's HBO and they have an appetite for spin offs now after GOT. But it may need another show creator as I don't think Jesse Armstrong can do it all by himself

I saw him on Broadway tonight opposite Jessica Chastain in A Doll’s House. He was AMAZING. Closes on 6/10.

The best thing about the end is that Shiv becomes her mother. Literally the wife of the CEO

i still don't get kendall rubbing roman's stitches into his shoulder and breaking them tactic - felt like it was implied that it was a repetition of some childhood dynamic they had

It's tricky. The writer ultimately sought to leave it up for interpretation so there is no direct answer given for this behavior, but he begins leaning into the idea that Kendall was just saving Roman from having to participate in the final vote beyond casting it.

Maybe there is a childhood element to it. This family dynamic is weird. Roman could have done something in school to get in trouble and Kendall saved him by punching him in the face for example. Now that Roman is injured he gets to go home instead of face the principal.

He's a really impressive actor. Didn't get much time in s4 but he stole a lot of the scenes he was in during the earlier seasons.

Im perfectly happy with the series and story as it turned out but they would have me hooked if they did float a spinoff. I can't turn down more Tom/Greg.

Not a fan of spinoff's but wouldnt mind seeing the universe of Succession further explored, kind of like what they do with True Detective.

True Detective seasons 2 and 3 only?

There's no question I would tune in for a spinoff, and I agree that HBO would up for bankrolling one. I just don't get any sense that Jesse Armstrong wants to run one, and without him involved I would not be optimistic.

That said, I fully expected Better Call Saul to be an unwatchable joke, so it's not like I know anything. However, that one had a returning Vince Gilligan, and not after a lengthy "hmm, not really making a lot of money these days, let's find a way to run that back" absence.

Rewatched the finale and I think my favorite scene is Matsson and Tom in the restaurant. Matthew Macfadyen is really an incredible actor. His reaction to Lukas saying he wanted to **** his wife, and then his reaction when he realized he was going to be the CEO, was some next-level acting. Would be so easy to overdo the emotion in that scene, either the anger or the excitement, but Macfadyen played it so understated. You could see his emotion, but it was barely visible beneath the surface, as he tried to maintain composure for Matsson.

Just a perfect 2-person scene (Skarsgard was great in that scene also).

But all helped by another showrunner who Vince Gilligan could hand the reigns over fully after a couple of seasons which Jesse needs. I mean I'm not sure Succession was as exhausting to write and film as Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul was with the amount of action in the Breaking Bad universe and that Vince was also directing but Vince did have that luxury with Peter Gould there that he could let him fully take over and that allowed Vince to then write and direct the Breaking Bad movie.

So maybe it might be a movie but I hope not - only really worked for Deadwood. The Sopranos (Many Saints of Newark) should have been a mini series as that film breaks down because it has too much in it just crammed into the movie. Deadwood worked because Milch knew he didn't have a mini series physically in him or just I guess felt fortunate he was able to give his series some closure after being prematurely cut off and could write with optimism and relief that he was given that opportunity to add to and finish his show.

Jesse did an hour on The Watch podcast

Was a good episode. The Watch is a very entertaining podcast in general.

Loved the landing overall, it's always a very difficult exercise.

I listened to a couple of "Characters power rankings" pods about Succession, and I'm always surprised by Connor's (and Greg's to a degree) place in these rankings. They probably are my least favourite characters, it felt the writers mostly used them for comedic one-liners, and I feel they could have been so much more. Pretty much the only 2 characters I've been disappointed in with this show overall.

And I'm all here for the MacFadyen flowers, he is just so good. Can't believe this is over really.

One of the poorest finales in recent memory. Holy **** did that drag on forever.

I rewatched the whole show before the finale (only watched the finale just now). First half of S1 was bad, second half was much better. S2 was elite. S3 started a slow decline. S4 was incredibly mediocre apart from a couple of episodes.

Overall this show is a great example of a very good show that has no claim to be discussed among the GOAT tier shows.