It actually ends with him waking up in bed with Suzanne Pleshette.

Hey, take this to the Wire vs Sopranos thread

Wat. That's taken out of context. The Wire is the number 1 series for him to watch if he's already watched Sopranos. I wasn't saying The Wire is better.

Yea I'm gonna start with the wire tonight probably. Doubt I'll like it anywhere near as much as the sopranos but we'll see. There's a new hbo mob series coming out set in atlantic city 1920s right? With tonys cousin from the sopranos as main character, actually looks pretty sick, not sure what it's called tho?


Nevermind im an idiot. Just saw preview for first time, didn't know it's been on forever and theres a 17 page thread on it...

I'd probably start with Wire first too, even diehard Sopranos fans tend to say they they kinda waver on best series ever after watching the wire (although the response "whichever I watched most recently is my pick" is common too.)

While it might not surpass the Sopranos for you it's amazing television and as with anyone who hasn't seen it yet, I get a little jealous.

just watched the final scene on youtube. I've seen the episode 3 times already, never noticed the black guys in the diner (I'm guessing they were his alleged killers), never thought about the fact he looked up to see a gun pointed in his face as opposed to meadow walking into the diner.

I'm just 5 episode into the first season

David Proval, who played Richie Aprile, also played the "head thug" in the Weird Al Yankovic movie UHF - they're basically the same character. Don't ever watch UHF if you want to be able to take Richie Aprile seriously.

what the ****?

dunno if this was mentioned but I just saw this ep:

In season 3, Dr. Melfi was raped by some thug. In the movie Goodfellas, Karen (same actress) found out her husband was cheating on her.

The two characters who ****ed over Lorraine Bracco, decades apart, were named Jesus Rossi, and Janice Rossi.

When Skip visits Pussy at his home in season 2, there's a brief flash of a graveyard in the background. My mom yelled.. they LIVE there?? And it clicked

This is really good

Bumped to satisfy need for Sopranos discussion.

What's the significance of the peyote trip? Just to show that nothing could change tony?

Tony didn't approve of his sister dating Richie in season 2. When Tony went over to their house, Richie offers Tony eggs and coffee. Shortly after, Richie is killed in his home.

Tony didn't approve of his sister dating Ralph either, a couple seasons later. I believe Ralph was captain of Richie's crew, too. When Tony went over to Ralphie's place to confront him, Ralph first offers him coffee... and eggs!

btw has anyone ever tried making eggs with Ralph's secret ingredient?

Wait, there's an actual thread where people discuss how The Sopranos is better than The Wire?

Anyone who thinks that has definitely gone full ******.

How much time you got on your hands? this incredibly long, but also fascinating, article discusses the peyote trip iirc.

Big fan of both but only 3 seasons into the wire, as of right now tho the sopranos>the wire and it's not really that close. Mcnulty and bunk are awesome but the characters as a whole don't really compare at all. That said the wire is still probably way up there on my favourite shows ever and thanks to whoever recommended it on here.

The Sopranos is the only show you can actually have in a discussion on whether or not there is a better show then The Wire.

Having said that, I choose The Wire.

That link is unreal.

What I'd like is a link to a coherent discussion of the final episode. I'm sure it's been beaten to death, but there's no doubt in my mind Tony is killed in the final seconds.

search the archives for "youtalkfunny", he has done a lot of write up on the sopranos finale...

This?

http://masterofsopranos.wordpress.co...on-of-the-end/

People have called it a waste of time and space but I think it's pretty great. It gets into symbolism/subtleties beyond that of just the finale.

I am generally one who doesn't care about trying to interpret ambiguity. I think that serious discussions on the ending of Inception are meaningless. With Sopranos I do think it's worth discussing, even if just for one reason - the Bobby Baccala quote that is replayed I believe at the beginning of the penultimate episode. "At the end, you probably don't hear anything, everything just goes black." They are not replaying that quote for no reason. It is clearly in reference to the ending, and there are really are only two possibilities:

1) Tony dies and we/he didn't hear anything, everything just went black.

2) It's meta - we the viewers were whacked. It's the end of our glimpse into that world, and we did not see it coming at that particular moment. If you think that Tony lives or that it doesn't matter, you basically have to accept that the cut is a meta comment.

I'm pretty sure bobby never said that. that would be way too obvious. he said something like "They probably don't even hear it, right?"

tony deffo died. option #2, who is the viewer? the viewer is tony.

no, the viewer is us. our time with tony ends. we don't feel anything and the screen goes black. it happened to us, not him. we're not him, even though the show has tried and tried to both have us relate to tony and then be disgusted by him.

BJ: i do consider this discussion slightly above inception (which, like you, i couldn't give a [censored] about the end), but i don't think chase is the kind of guy who builds you a puzzle to be unlocked, which is why i try to stay out of these discussions.

I think the key is how the final scene switches back and forth from Tony's viewpoint and the regular shot. When the screen goes black, it's Tony's viewpoint. He's looking up, expecting to see Meadow walk in. Another key part is during Tony's viewpoint, he's focusing on AJ. Meanwhile in the backround, you clearly see the dude at the counter staring at Tony. Tony is not paying attention to the guy. Then during the regular screen shot, you can see the guy is clearly nervous when he walks to the bathroom. If he's not there to kill Tony, why is he staring at him and being a nervous nellie?

But the 2 biggest things that foreshadow his death is Bobby talking about how you never see it and Phil getting killed in front of his family. Once that happens, killing Tony in front of his family is fair game.

Also, NY knows they can work with Paulie if he's in charge. He almost left to join Johnny Sac's crew when he didn't think he was getting respect. W/ Tony, Silvio and Bobby out, they can control the NJ mob because they can control Paulie.