I thought it was assumed to be the members only guy who went to the bathroom in the previous scene, and he would have come at Tony from the side.

I definitely thought he died at the end. I may have been in the minority but I wasn't the only one. Everything cutting off instantly, it seemed obvious to me that he got killed but that doesn't mean other interpretations were wrong.

It's kind of a jarring depiction of death in general because we humans are not very good at imagining our own non-existence. We see people die in movies all the time but almost never from the point of view of the person who died (other than the typical afterlife scenarios which are really a continuation of the character's existence so not really death).

Yes, the hall leading to the bathroom doors, if not the door itself, was clearly visible from AJ and Carmela's seats. @ 4:00



I think the most common reaction was confusion, astonishment, and some disappointment that they would end the series this way. But I forgot the foreshadowing from previous episodes:

Do you think Ralph is kinda weird with women?

Idk I mean he did beat one to death

I finally saw Many Saints. Yikes that was pretty rough.

The Harold plotline was cringe all around. Totally felt as if Chase woke up one day and thought "my cast is almost all white, maybe I should add some diversity", which is admirable enough, but you can't just bolt new entities onto the side of the sopranos universe at this point. Or if you can, that wasn't the way to do it.

I think the biggest WTF moment was when they stopped the closing credits to show you what Harold was doing. At first I thought they would do a montage to show where everybody ended up, but no, only Harold. THAT'S how much Chase thinks you care about Harold. In reality it would be impossible for me to care less about Harold.

100% agree with posters who said this dovetails into another upcoming movie nicely, and if that happens it actually makes me dislike this one less, it doesn't need to do as much. If they can simply deliver middlebrow red meat fan fiction in the sopranos universe without getting on these dumb tangents, I'm happy to watch.

The Junior/Dickie subplot was also kinda weak, the type of thing that works as filler in a long season but sticks out in a 2 hour film. Like, that's the best you could come up with for this? I guess the lesson to take from that is something like "people on the Sopranos kill each other for really dumb reasons"-- but I already knew that!

Regarding Many Saints, I think this was a feeble effort to profit off the popularity of The Sopranos. When The Sopranos aired, it was quite popular. Then it experienced a new surge of interest as more people are sitting on their fat asses at home watching tv because of COVID. The problem is, shows like The Sopranos are the result of certain stars lining up in the universe just right; you cannot make it happen. This is why Many Saints blows compared to the series. The chemistry is all wrong. This is the same reason why a lot of remakes suck and why shows suck that have been off the air and are brought back years later (Roseanne, that stupid Gilmore Girls thing, etc.).

If Carmela had ****ed Furio and Tony found out about it, would Tony have killed her? Is that supposed to be one of my takeaways from Many Saints?

No I think she lives as he would feel too guilty regarding the number of times he's cheated on her.

When has Tony even shown a shred of guilt for cheating, even when Carmela has confronted him right to his face? He would have drowned her in the backyard pool probably.

Do you see a major difference between the two situations?

No, that's most definitely not the reason.

Tony was never shown as violent to women other than laughing at Furio roughing up the Chinese whorehouse lady and briefly grabbing Gloria by her neck.

He would just make her life miserable and certainly broke.

Yeah when I first saw the ending I immediately thought that's what it was. He got shot in the head and the show is ending from Tony's POV. Because that's basically what it would be like.

I always thought it was pretty cool because of that. But then was disappointed later when I heard Chase's interpretation of it as something different.

I'm interested to hear where your head is at here, but the biggest difference I see is that Tony isn't *quite* as much of an animal as Dickie was. I dunno if Tony enjoyed killing people, so much as accepted it as part of the game; everyone Tony killed, even Chris, was important strategically.

Dovetails with the overall Sopranos motif that you can only improve your lot in life incrementally vs the last generation. Dickie is a cold blooded gangster --> Tony is a gangster who can maintain a thin veneer of respectability to the outside world --> Meadow breaks into the straight world and goes to Columbia but her adult life is probably going to be a **** show when the truth comes out about Tony's wrongdoings --> maybe if everything breaks well, Meadow's kids can have a normal life, 3 generations later.

Dunno, this is just my best guess.

Ok then. How about you illuminate me what the reason is?

The biggest, and probably only relevant difference is that Dickie kills his mistress and not his wife and mother of his children.

Or in practical terms: Dickie has to find somebody else to bang. Which at most is an inconvenience. Making your kids semi-orphans is something totally different both from a moral and practical point.

No one else sees the point of the scene? He raged only after he found out who it was.

Just watched that scene again. Great show. Carmela and Aj were focused on the onion rings.

i believe and always will,he ate them onion rings and went home

RIP

Sad when they go so young.

RIP to the legend.

Just finished the series. Great show in spite of the ending. Understand why they did it that way. The consensus seems to be Tony was murdered but HBO left his fate a mystery in case they wanted to do something else a few years down the road. Same with Sil's fate they said "the doctor's don't think he will ever come out of his coma." but didn't have him out right die. That way if they wanted to make a sequel they could come up with a plausible story that Tony and Sil are still alive. Who would have been left in the Jersey mob? Paulie and Patsy?

Also I thought the incompetence of law enforcement was a little ridiculous. How many unsolved homicides were there? 50? Richie, Ralphie, Pussy, Jimmy, Mike, Chucky, Brendan, Vito, Jackie jr, Donnie, Rusty Irish, the rat in Maine, the 2 kids that tried to rob the poker game, Lorraine, Adrianna, Joe Peeps, Angelo, Rusty, Burt, Fat Dom. Plus tons of civilians the truck driver, the waiter, Paulies mom's friend, the Elvis impersonator, the nephew of the Czech garbage guys, JT, the stripper, the guy Eugene kills in the restaurant, the poker dealer and the one I thought was the most ridiculous was the cop who supposedly killed Christopher's father. Cops aren't just gonna let that go.

Overall still a great series!! The stupidity of law enforcement just got on my nerves.

Might be challenging to produce 6 seasons of a show where all relevant characters are in jail by the end of the third episode. Unless it’s supposed to be a show about people in jail or a reboot of Prison Break.

Have you seen what the actual clearance rate is for murder these days?