I think it's been mediocre to bad so far. Didn't read the book. I have a feeling the people who think that the mom is a good villain are probably book readers. She is a little creepy but probably a smidge too gilfy for me.

ahahahahahahahahahaha

Don't tell momma

off topic, Led Zeppelin is notorious for not letting folks use their music in TV and movies. How much ****ing money did HBO pay those guys to use like 8 songs or whatever?

Show was really silly and full of ludicrous plot holes, but will probably win a ton of awards anyway.

To future finale viewers, don't miss the credits where, for some ungodly reason, the showmakers decided to tell the real story of what actually happened in micro-flashbacks.

Soooooo....

Adora had nothing to do with killing the two local girls? That was all Amma.

I guess I'm wondering if Adora knew Amma killed them, and was willing to cover it up and "take the fall" to protect her daughter.

Or did she have no idea? You could kind of tell when they introduced that Amma knew the two dead girls and used to spend time with them that it may go down this road.

Overall show was a total grind to watch, very slow for long stretches, but still interesting enough to watch.

I thought Chris Messina was great in the cop role. Far cry from where I last saw him on Mindy.

I think I forgot a plot point - how did Camille's boss know Adora was poisoning her? More generally, how would he have convinced the cops to bust in?

I assumed that there was a conversation between Camille and her boss that happened off camera...

"I think my Mom is poisoning my sister! She did this to my younger sister when we were kids... I knew it, but could never prove it!!! If there comes a time where you haven't heard from me for 2-3 days make sure you send someone to check on me..."

Boss - "I'm on it Cubbie!"

I don't think there was anything shown on screen that would have led to his last minute save. At least that's my interpretation of it.

I think the assumption is that the editor headed for wind gap as soon as Camille said, "she's doing it again, I have to stop her" during their phone conversation. Somehow he found the cop and convinced him she was in imminent danger.

Of course 5 seconds after cops enter the house, they magically find the tooth-pulling pliers and then (erroneously) assume Adora was the killer (do 2 other people not live in the house)?

But then again, they assumed the brother did it from the get-go because... he cried a lot over his murdered sister. No need to investigate anyone else, like the murdered girls' friends or the lady who tutored them. I guess competent police work is not standard in Wind Gap.

I liked the show, but I was able to binge most of it and probably would be frustrated if I had to wait a week per episode since they were slow. They probably could have made it a 1-2 episodes shorter.

Camille and her boss had a somewhat scary conversation before she pulled up to her moms house, I don't know if he thought Camille was in danger from her mother or if she was mentally breaking down.

The only thing new about the flashbacks at the end credits that we couldn't know for sure was that Amma wasn't acting alone.

I don't know where I put Adora as a villain now that we know she didn't kill the girls.

I'm not exactly sure what you're saying...

Are you saying that now we know Amma didn't act alone? Or that we can't be sure she wasn't acting alone?

I watched that quick scene a couple of times and I was still unsure. The only thing I could really tell was that Amma seemed to be choking someone out at the end with a rage filled expression on her face...

I thought it was just her acting alone. But I'm open to being wrong about that.

Edit - Okay, just read a quick article on Collider... Amma had help from her little roller skating buddies to kill the two local girls. Happened too quick for me to get that from the credit clip. So there's a merry little band of sociopaths running around Wind Gap. I wonder if they'll try to use that material for a sequel?

If you pause in the scene in the credits with Amma killing the girls, others are there, including Jodes and you see Natalie Keane being killed in the carriage house where Ashley cleaned up the blood. Remember, she said her friends will do anything for her. I guess they will.

FYI, they show her killing both Ann and Natalie, as well as her new friend in St Louis. In St Louis, she acted alone.

I mean the reveal is just so dumb. 15 year old girls don't go around brutally murdering their friends when they have a falling out or grow apart. They bully them into suicide. COME ON!

That we know she didn't act alone, we can see other people in those scenes. Before I saw the flashbacks, I thought she drugged the girls and killed them.

And that she killed her St. Louis friend.

OK so reading more those girls are supposed to be 14 and in 8th grade? Three 14 year old girls murder two people and the police are none the wiser? The 14 year old girls cover it up? HAVE YOU EVER MET A 14 YEAR OLD GIRL??? Jesus Christ.

Ah, I missed that.

Girl murdered, teeth ripped out, and body propped up in the middle of town for everyone to see. Obvious suspect: brother who cries a lot. No need to interrogate any of her friends, or basically anyone else in town for that matter.

The pacing in this show is some of the worse I've ever seen. The majority of the episode was Amy Adams crawling around and vomiting. Then they resolve about a thousand things in 45 seconds. What was Amy Adam's idea with willingly accepting poison from her "murdering" mother? What evidence did the cops have to secure a warrant of the mother's house?

Completely agree about the pacing.

Yeah it was like "oh by the way... here's who did it".

Show was incredibly slow paced all the way through. There were several episodes where literally nothing happened.

I think the overall solid acting (Amy Adams is good in everything), and artsy cinematography, helped obscure the fact that the plot was absolutely ridiculous. "Don't tell mom". LOL.

Nailed it.

I read some reviews about the finale and they were all omg this will haunt me for years. I thought it was hilarious, ymmv

One more complaint is that the show mislead the viewers how hard it was to pull out teeth. The adult male detective had to struggle to pull out pig's teeth. So he narrows the search to strong male suspects. Even after they arrest Adora, they think she must have had help to do it, maybe from her husband. Suddenly in the finale we find out that the petite teen girl was able to do it. ???

( i guess the early episode scene where Camille spots Amma at the pig farm with a worker was a clue on how Amma could have learned to do it)

I’ve been going back and forth on my thoughts overall for this and I’ve come to the conclusion that I regret having watched it in the first place. The ending was so ****ing stupid. And the extra ending was even worse. It was really great until then. 2 completely different shows in the course of 5 minutes.

My issue was that the show was really about zomg isn't Camille so DAMAGED, and it paid zero attention to the actual plot involving the gruesome serial murder of two young girls.

I mean, has there ever been a less urgent/more nonchalant investigation into the psychotic and brutally violent murders of young girls? All the cops did (all two of them apparently assigned to this case), was hang out in bars, go to the barber, and party it up at Calhoun Day.