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10-28-2010 , 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by CharlieDontSurf
I never re-watch serialized TV shows or buy DVD sets after they go off the air. Who cares?
Re-watchability is just about the worst barometer of whether a heavily serialized TV show was good/great/awesome/etc.
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All I said is that you'll not find Hurley, Locke, Ben, Sawyer, Desmond, Jack in any other show.

Premise is simple.
The line between best troller and worst poster becomes thinner with each post.
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10-28-2010 , 02:18 PM
It's so lol that I come on here to talk about a great show with people who want to reminisce and I end up finding a whole bunch who still have their panties in a bind after 6 months.


We know it stings. The show didn't end the way you wanted it to and now your upset. We get it.

The fact that these guys come on here foaming at the mouth waiting to slam anyone who enjoys the show just shows how embittered they are. Let it go fellas. We respect your opinions, but we would like to get back to remembering our show. Now go find some other important places on the internet for yourselves.
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10-28-2010 , 03:02 PM
i don't think anyone is disputing it was a great show, we are simply saying it could have been one of the greatest, but the way the last season played out, it isn't.


expectations were here

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-------------------- where it actually ended



not to say it's a bad show, it's a great show, just not anywhere near the Sopranos or the Wire or the Shield
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10-28-2010 , 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by sluggger5x
It's so lol that I come on here to talk about a great show with people who want to reminisce and I end up finding a whole bunch who still have their panties in a bind after 6 months.


We know it stings. The show didn't end the way you wanted it to and now your upset. We get it.

The fact that these guys come on here foaming at the mouth waiting to slam anyone who enjoys the show just shows how embittered they are. Let it go fellas. We respect your opinions, but we would like to get back to remembering our show. Now go find some other important places on the internet for yourselves.
LOL @ apologists still not getting it.
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10-28-2010 , 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by TheHip41
i don't think anyone is disputing it was a great show, we are simply saying it could have been one of the greatest, but the way the last season played out, it isn't.


expectations were here

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-------------------- where it actually ended



not to say it's a bad show, it's a great show, just not anywhere near the Sopranos or the Wire or the Shield
no...its would have never been in the greatest show category. it was far to polarizing and was prone to really crappy writing and acting at times (kate episodes).

And every show could have been better or greater, even **** like The Wire
The Sopranos is overrated.

Also for a large segment of people the ending was just fine. Season 6 may have been a bit of a let down compared to 5 etc but the actual season finale was solid.

It is annoying that all the whiny people/haters like TC etc can't let go and go troll other threads but given the makeup of people on 2+2 its not that surprising.
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10-29-2010 , 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by CharlieDontSurf
no...its would have never been in the greatest show category. it was far to polarizing and was prone to really crappy writing and acting at times (kate episodes).

And every show could have been better or greater, even **** like The Wire
The Sopranos is overrated.

Also for a large segment of people the ending was just fine. Season 6 may have been a bit of a let down compared to 5 etc but the actual season finale was solid.

It is annoying that all the whiny people/haters like TC etc can't let go and go troll other threads but given the makeup of people on 2+2 its not that surprising.
LOL @ thinking I care one bit about lost other than when this thread gets bumped.
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10-29-2010 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by TomCollins
LOL @ thinking I care one bit about lost other than when this thread gets bumped.
yes u def do care...stop being a douche and trying to act like you don't.
You wouldn't tard up the thread every time some fan bumps it to talk about the show if you didn't care.
You so desperately want to try and convince everyone that the show was terrible and pointless and if they don't agree with your brilliant critics they are obviously dumb. Its actually kind of sad and pathetic...I get the feeling you get a little rush in the pit of your stomach every time this thread gets bumped.

You're obviously a moron so your opinion is kind of pointless in the grand scheme of things, but its still annoying having every 3 posts in the thread be from you stating how the creators wasted your life, it was the worst season ever, you would never watch the show if you could do it all over again blah blah blah.

Its just whine whine whine.
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10-29-2010 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by CharlieDontSurf
yes u def do care...stop being a douche and trying to act like you don't.
You wouldn't tard up the thread every time some fan bumps it to talk about the show if you didn't care.
You so desperately want to try and convince everyone that the show was terrible and pointless and if they don't agree with your brilliant critics they are obviously dumb. Its actually kind of sad and pathetic...I get the feeling you get a little rush in the pit of your stomach every time this thread gets bumped.

You're obviously a moron so your opinion is kind of pointless in the grand scheme of things, but its still annoying having every 3 posts in the thread be from you stating how the creators wasted your life, it was the worst season ever, you would never watch the show if you could do it all over again blah blah blah.

Its just whine whine whine.
Go back and look at the history. A question was asked to the "whiners", and I answered. It was about 15 posts into the latest bump. Again, I do not even think about Lost unless someone else brings it up. It never even enters my brain. It's gone. Well, besides casual references like how the reliever for the Giants looks like suicidal Jack Shepherd.

I'm not trying to convince anyone who liked it that they are an idiot. I am merely trying to get them to understand *why* people who enjoyed the show and followed it were so disappointed in it. Then clowns like you make it personal when it's not. People liked the show for a lot of reasons. The ending is probably satisfying for a lot of people, just not me and a lot of others. It is what it is. I had higher expectations for it, and mainly due to reassurance from the creators. And yet still, the fanbois think people are upset because they had a specific plot in mind and it didn't go that way. LOL @ this. I love a well-crafted story. Unfortunately, Lost does not fit that mold. It may have been one of the best character driven show, but that does not interest me and I am not really debating if that is true or not. There certainly were a lot of good characters (and a lot of really terrible ones too). BFD, don't care. That never really was why I liked the show. I liked the show because these awesome characters had mysterious and seemingly important backstories and futures I wanted to learn about. I only cared because of how they drove the story.

A lot of people like a lot of stuff I have no interest in, and whatever, to each their own. I am not a fan of Two and a Half Men, yet it is a highly rated show. I don't go out of my way to bash people who like it. Perhaps if fans of that show were as arrogant and condescending, I might invest effort into defending my reasons for not enjoying the show, but it's not really something that people have invested so much into they feel the need to defend it to the end of time.

I respond to specific questions or responses to my own posts, pretty much about it. Not even close to every 3rd post. You must be confusing me with T.he.Hip.

There is some hope when this gets bumped that there's some story where the producers admit they just made it up as they went along or perhaps they give some insight on what they had planned and how it got screwed up or something.

I don't know why you get your panties so bunched up when anyone says anything bad about the show. Maybe your brother wrote for it or something, because you seem way too invested in it. Sorry your brother sucks at writing, bro.
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10-29-2010 , 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by TomCollins
Go back and look at the history. A question was asked to the "whiners", and I answered. It was about 15 posts into the latest bump. Again, I do not even think about Lost unless someone else brings it up. It never even enters my brain. It's gone. Well, besides casual references like how the reliever for the Giants looks like suicidal Jack Shepherd.

I'm not trying to convince anyone who liked it that they are an idiot. I am merely trying to get them to understand *why* people who enjoyed the show and followed it were so disappointed in it. Then clowns like you make it personal when it's not. People liked the show for a lot of reasons. The ending is probably satisfying for a lot of people, just not me and a lot of others. It is what it is. I had higher expectations for it, and mainly due to reassurance from the creators. And yet still, the fanbois think people are upset because they had a specific plot in mind and it didn't go that way. LOL @ this. I love a well-crafted story. Unfortunately, Lost does not fit that mold. It may have been one of the best character driven show, but that does not interest me and I am not really debating if that is true or not. There certainly were a lot of good characters (and a lot of really terrible ones too). BFD, don't care. That never really was why I liked the show. I liked the show because these awesome characters had mysterious and seemingly important backstories and futures I wanted to learn about. I only cared because of how they drove the story.

A lot of people like a lot of stuff I have no interest in, and whatever, to each their own. I am not a fan of Two and a Half Men, yet it is a highly rated show. I don't go out of my way to bash people who like it. Perhaps if fans of that show were as arrogant and condescending, I might invest effort into defending my reasons for not enjoying the show, but it's not really something that people have invested so much into they feel the need to defend it to the end of time.

I respond to specific questions or responses to my own posts, pretty much about it. Not even close to every 3rd post. You must be confusing me with T.he.Hip.

There is some hope when this gets bumped that there's some story where the producers admit they just made it up as they went along or perhaps they give some insight on what they had planned and how it got screwed up or something.

I don't know why you get your panties so bunched up when anyone says anything bad about the show. Maybe your brother wrote for it or something, because you seem way too invested in it. Sorry your brother sucks at writing, bro.


I would bet my bankroll that you think about LOST on a weekly basis.
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10-29-2010 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by sluggger5x
I would bet my bankroll that you think about LOST on a weekly basis.
My feelings closely align with TC's, and I can say without hesitation that I never, ever think about Lost except when someone else brings it up ... I find that a testament to how bad it got
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10-29-2010 , 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by TomCollins
Go back and look at the history. A question was asked to the "whiners", and I answered. It was about 15 posts into the latest bump. Again, I do not even think about Lost unless someone else brings it up. It never even enters my brain. It's gone. Well, besides casual references like how the reliever for the Giants looks like suicidal Jack Shepherd.

I'm not trying to convince anyone who liked it that they are an idiot. I am merely trying to get them to understand *why* people who enjoyed the show and followed it were so disappointed in it. Then clowns like you make it personal when it's not. People liked the show for a lot of reasons. The ending is probably satisfying for a lot of people, just not me and a lot of others. It is what it is. I had higher expectations for it, and mainly due to reassurance from the creators. And yet still, the fanbois think people are upset because they had a specific plot in mind and it didn't go that way. LOL @ this. I love a well-crafted story. Unfortunately, Lost does not fit that mold. It may have been one of the best character driven show, but that does not interest me and I am not really debating if that is true or not. There certainly were a lot of good characters (and a lot of really terrible ones too). BFD, don't care. That never really was why I liked the show. I liked the show because these awesome characters had mysterious and seemingly important backstories and futures I wanted to learn about. I only cared because of how they drove the story.

A lot of people like a lot of stuff I have no interest in, and whatever, to each their own. I am not a fan of Two and a Half Men, yet it is a highly rated show. I don't go out of my way to bash people who like it. Perhaps if fans of that show were as arrogant and condescending, I might invest effort into defending my reasons for not enjoying the show, but it's not really something that people have invested so much into they feel the need to defend it to the end of time.

I respond to specific questions or responses to my own posts, pretty much about it. Not even close to every 3rd post. You must be confusing me with T.he.Hip.

There is some hope when this gets bumped that there's some story where the producers admit they just made it up as they went along or perhaps they give some insight on what they had planned and how it got screwed up or something.

I don't know why you get your panties so bunched up when anyone says anything bad about the show. Maybe your brother wrote for it or something, because you seem way too invested in it. Sorry your brother sucks at writing, bro.
i am probably adding in TheHip posts into yours and I'm not getting personal because I can't handle criticism of the show...I just get sick of repetitive criticism over and over and over and over in this thread, tarding it up - I should technically just go and put the 5-8 regular posters who repeat the same whines on ignore and then the thread would be readable.

Its like jesus ****ing christ. We get that this small segment of the viewers hated Season 6 and think the show was such a major letdown blah blah blah.
Get over it, the majority disagree- I do stand by the douche comment though, given you actually used the word "bro" in your post.
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10-29-2010 , 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by CharlieDontSurf
We get that this small segment of the viewers hated Season 6 and think the show was such a major letdown blah blah blah.
Get over it, the majority disagree- I do stand by the douche comment though, given you actually used the word "bro" in your post.
What data are you using to make these "small segment" and "majority" statements? The feeling you get from reading this thread or something else?
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10-29-2010 , 01:59 PM
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What data are you using to make these "small segment" and "majority" statements? The feeling you get from reading this thread or something else?
Yeah, I definitely don't get that impression. The super casual viewers seemed to be like "yeah, ending was ok, whatever". Every single diehard I know in person was like "wow that was dumb". The casual viewer is much more likely to be satisfied with Lost than the diehards mainly because the ending gave no benefit to being a diehard, and casuals aren't going to really think that hard about the show.
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10-29-2010 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by sluggger5x
I would bet my bankroll that you think about LOST on a weekly basis.
You must have a very small bankroll. LOL @ thinking you know what goes on in my head.
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10-29-2010 , 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by CharlieDontSurf
i am probably adding in TheHip posts into yours and I'm not getting personal because I can't handle criticism of the show...I just get sick of repetitive criticism over and over and over and over in this thread, tarding it up - I should technically just go and put the 5-8 regular posters who repeat the same whines on ignore and then the thread would be readable.

Its like jesus ****ing christ. We get that this small segment of the viewers hated Season 6 and think the show was such a major letdown blah blah blah.
Get over it, the majority disagree- I do stand by the douche comment though, given you actually used the word "bro" in your post.

i never said i hated season 6, not at all. i'm only saying this:

we were told they had it planned out from early on, as early as season 3. so that's the premise i was going on. after the jacob/MIB kid episode i realized that they had no idea wtf was going on, any more than we did. Sure they gave us answers, i just found those answers unworthy, because all their answers did was make more questions.

so i enjoyed the whole show, it's still one of my favorites, but


1. i don't think about Lost, i really don't
2. i don't want to watch it from the start because I"ll know it will annoy me with all the dropped sideplots. how can i care about walt when the writers don't care about walt.
3. i feel i was punked by the writers


regardless, still a good show, but it could have been great, even better than great.
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10-29-2010 , 02:16 PM
actually just ignoring Hip and TC does wonders for this thread..even going back 2-3 pages lol
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10-29-2010 , 02:46 PM
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10-29-2010 , 02:47 PM
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actually just ignoring Hip and TC does wonders for this thread..even going back 2-3 pages lol
you are going to ignore me because i have different opinions?

i'm not mean to anyone, i'm just stating why i think the show is in the good tier and not the goat tier
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10-29-2010 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by TheHip41
you are going to ignore me because i have different opinions?

i'm not mean to anyone, i'm just stating why i think the show is in the good tier and not the goat tier
You hurt his brothers feelings. Lost = GOAT, all else are haters.
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10-29-2010 , 03:46 PM
Here's Charlie posting on another site before the finale:

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It is a very polarizing TV show though...so people typically either love it and rank it as one of their favorite TV shows of all time or they
really hate it and think people are idiots for liking it. You either get it or you don't. No matter how it ends I'll still be in the same camp as
Stephen King and countless other fans in saying its one of the best shows of my lifetime.

People who hate the final seasons and loved the initial ones are kind of lol because the show was never designed to be as simplistic as those first
two seasons. They were simply a result of telling the most basic elements of the overall plot/characters and the fact that they were trying to keep
as large an audience as possible early on...which LOST did. The show at its heart was always sci-fi/mythology related.
The writers of the show may take umbrage with the bolded:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/cel...on_lindel.html

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The ultimate mystery for us on "Lost" is not, you know, what is the origin of Jacob or where is this island in the South Pacific, itís who are these people. Thatís what we feel obligated to address in the final hours of the show.
I wouldn't take anything he says too personal, as you can see, he's wrong at every turn above.
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10-29-2010 , 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by TheHip41
you are going to ignore me because i have different opinions?

i'm not mean to anyone, i'm just stating why i think the show is in the good tier and not the goat tier
I ended up just moving TC back to my ignore list, forgot he used to be on there from the poltics forum I think - your posts typically were backed up with some substance and thought and I've liked some of your other posts elsewhere. I'd say the haters are def. a minority as a whole in terms of the viewing audience...a large chunck of them were already hating even before Season 6 began.

Sure there are people hoping for different answers or a different ending, or felt Season 6 was a bit of letdown compared to the expectations but for the majority they enjoyed the ride and were satisfied with the final season even if it was a bit of a letdown.
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10-29-2010 , 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by rapidacid
Here's Charlie posting on another site before the finale:



The writers of the show may take umbrage with the bolded:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/cel...on_lindel.html



I wouldn't take anything he says too personal, as you can see, he's wrong at every turn above.
The idea that it's primarily about characters is pretty laughable IMO. Well, it may have intended to be that way, and it absolutely was a huge part. Characters shedding their demons and dealing with their pasts mainly. And I can understand being satisfied with the development of the characters from start to finish with all the inner demons they had, and finally coming to acceptance with everything as they end up dead at the end. But that's not what I'd consider a character driven show.

I'd consider something like Seinfeld, King of the Hill, or Friends to be a character driven show. Those are shows where what happened on the show really was just a way to feature each character and their personalities and quirks, and really the plot didn't matter at all. And those are all fine shows in their own regard. They didn't try to be an all encompassing world with all these mysteries and adventure. There was just too many random stuff thrown in just for the sake of throwing it in and making us think WTF!! with no purpose. Everyone's pasts interacting with each other seemed like a HUUGE hint to something big. Nope, it's nothing. Just a way to mess with us. The entire flash sideways is the absolute worst for this. There was absolutely no point to it other than to mess with us. The whole idea of bringing everyone together seemed to be cosmically important, but really was just a trick. Empty tricks are not clever writing.

On the other hand, they did a lot of clever stuff along the way which made us think that everything else that seemed empty was going to be clever. For example, the flash forward finale episode was absolutely brilliant. There were hints along the way, things I even caught. "Why is Jack using a cell phone that didn't exist in 2003? Must be a production error" is something I thought while watching. Turns out that was 100% intentional. It was mindblowing, clever, hinted at, and drove the story and characters. I was certain at this point that the rest of the show was going to be just like this, just fed to us slowly at a pace we could enjoy.

The main point is, if you want to have a character driven show, that's fine and dandy, but don't try to be something you aren't. It really comes across as a way of covering their ass once they realize they were screwed. The jig was up, the man behind the curtain was about to be revealed, and they wanted to save face. The show was littered with empty gimmicks meant to keep people watching that did not really develop the characters, drive the plot, or provide any value to the series. As I've said before, there are many cases where this is forgivable (Mr Eko wanting to leave Hawaii, for example). There is absolutely no way they should not have anticipating Walt growing up, though.

I am highly interested in learning how things went down behind the scenes, though. The show is a fantastic lesson in what to do and what not to do, and learning from it certainly does interest me. I'm wondering if their plan did change or was altered, or how they had to adjust or how it could have otherwise been better. What were the plans for Eko? What did they have figured out when. This would all be very intriguing. However, I do expect silence, so each time this thread is bumped, I think maybe there is something that will come out to shed some light on things.

But yeah, Charlie is way off base pretty much always, so of course it's hilarious how mean-spirited he gets for something as simple as someones opinion and tastes. If you loved Lost, great. I have no problem with it. I have a problem with people thinking the plot was somehow meaningful and not just thrown together as they went along. It's obvious this wasn't the case. If you enjoyed the characters and their development, more power to you. I personally did not care about most of them other than their dialogue which was quite good for some of them. There were many enjoyable moments from Lost at the time, even with the way it ended that were very high quality moments in television. There are a few episodes that are absolutely fantastic. The music and visuals were always outstanding. The show itself was an incredible feat just to pull off. I just think the whole "we have it all planned out" stuff was a complete sham and the storytelling devices used were almost entirely gimmicks and thrown together. If you can understand that and forgive it and still enjoy it (which I do expect many people to do), that's fine.

If the writers would have said that statement early on, there is a 0% chance I watch it. Trouble is, neither would a lot of other people, and they needed us for ratings and $$. Better to just fool us and tell us after it's too late.
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10-29-2010 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by CharlieDontSurf
Sure there are people hoping for different answers or a different ending, or felt Season 6 was a bit of letdown compared to the expectations but for the majority they enjoyed the ride and were satisfied with the final season even if it was a bit of a letdown.
You could've just stated it like this from the beginning ... not everything is so binary, you don't have to either love it or hate it

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The idea that it's primarily about characters is pretty laughable IMO.
Obviously I, and the rest of the functional viewing audience, agree with you ... when the writers started spouting that character driven drivel near the end, we were all F'ed

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I am highly interested in learning how things went down behind the scenes, though. The show is a fantastic lesson in what to do and what not to do, and learning from it certainly does interest me. I'm wondering if their plan did change or was altered, or how they had to adjust or how it could have otherwise been better. What were the plans for Eko? What did they have figured out when. This would all be very intriguing. However, I do expect silence, so each time this thread is bumped, I think maybe there is something that will come out to shed some light on things.
This. I don't come looking to dig this thread up, I read because it gets bumped to the front page.

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I just think the whole "we have it all planned out" stuff was a complete sham and the storytelling devices used were almost entirely gimmicks and thrown together. If you can understand that and forgive it and still enjoy it (which I do expect many people to do), that's fine.

If the writers would have said that statement early on, there is a 0% chance I watch it. Trouble is, neither would a lot of other people, and they needed us for ratings and $$. Better to just fool us and tell us after it's too late.
I still think they *did* have a complete arc figured out, but as I stated early in this latest bumped, I believe their plans were sabatoged by the network wanted X more seasons.

IMO, the first 3 seasons of stories were way, way, way too intertwined for them not to have it all figured out.
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10-29-2010 , 04:26 PM
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You could've just stated it like this from the beginning ... not everything is so binary, you don't have to either love it or hate it



Obviously I, and the rest of the functional viewing audience, agree with you ... when the writers started spouting that character driven drivel near the end, we were all F'ed



This. I don't come looking to dig this thread up, I read because it gets bumped to the front page.



I still think they *did* have a complete arc figured out, but as I stated early in this latest bumped, I believe their plans were sabatoged by the network wanted X more seasons.

IMO, the first 3 seasons of stories were way, way, way too intertwined for them not to have it all figured out.

like i said during the season, lost is like a stephen king book (obv stephen king nods through out lost)

the charcters are awesome
the story is awesome
the ending, SK doesn't know how to tie it up.

great journey, weak ending
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10-29-2010 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by rapidacid
Here's Charlie posting on another site before the finale:



The writers of the show may take umbrage with the bolded:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/cel...on_lindel.html



I wouldn't take anything he says too personal, as you can see, he's wrong at every turn above.
and in no way does your quote address that the show is not sci-fi/mythology related at its core.
Esp given the mystery of the characters overall arc/story was solved/ended using sci-fi.

but good try
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