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05-28-2010 , 04:27 PM
obv Sayid is evil, that's why as punishment he has to spend eternity with Shannon
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05-28-2010 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by bsidensol
obv Sayid is evil, that's why as punishment he has to spend eternity with Shannon
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05-28-2010 , 06:26 PM
Halowax, I agree with your posts a lot. I remember when What Kate Did rolled around and there was a lot of anticipation, her character was a lot more interesting when we had no idea what she was hiding. Unfortunately, the episode showed us that Kate-centric episodes are just not interesting, and her backstory was not engaging enough to match the mystery of her character previously (probably echoed by lots of viewers for the Island backstory and how it develops - or doesn't!).

The only things I wanted to mention about the character-driven comments of the story is that the producers kept reminding us over and over that the Island is also a character - so the mysteries and backstory of the Island really are a part of the Lost story. The degree to which you feel this way probably determines how satisfied you were with the outcome.

Sayid and Shannon wasn't so terrible to me, I felt that Sayid had come to terms with his past as being so terrible that he really did not deserve Nadia (as seen in the flash sideways). Shannon was a consolation, but their relationship was meant to be two imperfect oddballs finding happiness with each other, or so I felt.

I still keep coming back to the lack of development of MiB, and what exactly happened to him over the hundreds or thousands of years in between his smoky creation and his initiation of Project: Loophole. The whole beach scene felt out of place (after we find out MiB's entire existence is about leaving the island), I am scratching my head as to why we were lead to believe MiB gives a **** about whether Man is inherently sinful, and we are then told that Jacob brings people to the island to "prove him wrong".

MiB manipulated people purely for his own purpose. This was no game for him, leaving the Island was his obsession.

Quick questions:
- Did we see MiB actually manipulating Ben in the story, or is it just being assumed because of Ben's actions that this was happening?
- I also don't understand the whole Purge event, seeing as Richard was actively involved in what was basically small scale genocide.
- Finally, wouldn't Richard have known that Ben had never really seen Jacob?
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05-28-2010 , 07:54 PM
Conjecture ahead................

Locke was manipulated by Mib from the beginning of the story. It was he who gave Locke back the use of his legs, allowed him to become one with the island, showed him the light and told him it was good within. The goal, for John Locke to become the leader of the others, something that Mib was at some point in time. As the Others had chosen to follow the deity of Jacob that gave him his loophole.

How else did he know when the rain would stop. He was the only candidate touched by Jacob who exhibited knowledge of the island. I don't think he was directly influenced, but was prepped for the role as surrogate from as early as day 1 on the island.

If this has been proposed before, disregard.
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05-28-2010 , 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
He was the producer as far as im aware and probably had a bit of a hand in early planning. Which basically means he put the co-creators (Cuse and Lindelhof) i with his in company writing team at Bad Robot and he will have set them up with the network. He would be instrumental with getting the budget they had but likely had little to no actual creative input in the show past the pilot, if that.
JJ came on after the initial screenwriter was fired because his script was just a bunch of people trying to survive on an island(though he did have a con man, a dr etc as the characters). JJ was like...I'll come on but I'm gonna make it really weird and sci-fish, he hires Damon L. to help figure out the concept and write the pilot - they then basically gives Braun a outline of the show(still no script)...and Braun says sounds awesome -> here's 11.5 million to shoot your pilot (the rest of ABC not so happy so they fired Braun).

JJ shoots the pilot...then Damon L. runs it and brings in Cuse to help during the first season. JJ goes off to do his own thing in movies and TV and doesn't have any major involvement with it from there out.

So the overall concept of LOST never exists without JJ and def. is NEVER greenlit without JJ involved, but he wasn't involved in the show as anything other than an executive producer from there out after season 1.
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05-28-2010 , 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by cres
Conjecture ahead................

Locke was manipulated by Mib from the beginning of the story. It was he who gave Locke back the use of his legs, allowed him to become one with the island, showed him the light and told him it was good within. The goal, for John Locke to become the leader of the others, something that Mib was at some point in time. As the Others had chosen to follow the deity of Jacob that gave him his loophole.

How else did he know when the rain would stop. He was the only candidate touched by Jacob who exhibited knowledge of the island. I don't think he was directly influenced, but was prepped for the role as surrogate from as early as day 1 on the island.

If this has been proposed before, disregard.
This was fairly widely accepted at the end of last season, when we discovered that resurrected Locke = Fake Locke (MIB). Fake Locke tells Richard to give time-traveling Locke (who had been shot by Ethan) the compass, and to tell him he had to die. Time traveling Locke then sees Richard in the '50s, tells him he's their leader, and gives him the compass to prove it. MIB was able to install Locke as the Others' leader so that, when he is in Locke's body, he has access to Jacob. Coincide all this with his manipulation of Ben his whole life to build resentment of Jacob so he will agree to kill him, and voila, he has means, motive, and opportunity.

It very likely started when Locke ran into the smoke monster in the fourth episode of season 1. We find out later, with Eko, that smokey can read all of a person's thoughts and experiences. It was at this moment, most likely, that MIB realized he had a good candidate to manipulate the second part of his plan (along with Ben).
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05-28-2010 , 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by TomCollins
Yeah, I pretty much have no interest in watching serial dramas again. At least not take them seriously. That was my biggest problem with Lost. They did such a good job making me think they had it figured out that I believed them.

Even though the ride will always be more enjoyable, this destination was just unacceptable.
I don't think it would really be possible given the setup in network TV(short of a mini-series)...maybe only if only one writer creates each episode...which is fairly close to how BSG worked I believe. Also your show would have to be super successful and basically it would HAVE to be on a cable network that lets you basically do whatever the hell you want. So like if LOST was on HBO...after the 2nd or 3rd season they could have easily demanded like a year off after each season to litterly go back and piece by piece figure out ways to answer every little open ended question in a way that worked story wise.

They know plenty of answers to the random little questions but I assume that essentially they couldn't figure out a way to fit in a sequence that explained it in a way that worked in the given story line they were currently telling. Plus there are no commercials on HBO so you don't have to focus on the TV outs prior to every commercial...which makes for easier writing/storytelling.
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05-28-2010 , 08:53 PM
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Honestly I think that Across the Sea should have been episode 2, which would make everybody about the flash-sideways for another week. Then they could have added VINCENT flashbacks to the season too.
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05-28-2010 , 09:00 PM
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[/LIST]nit alert: ultimately jack was woken from a combination of locke, kate, and finally, his father's coffin. i think they handled it appropriately, since ultimately his father was the driving force behind his reason for being on the island in the first place.
yeah I think his father was the main thing.
Even in sideways world...he has a fake son who he is trying to deal with things and his father still goes to Australia and dies and then he "loses" his father's body/casket.
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05-28-2010 , 11:55 PM
this might be a repost as 2159 posts are hard to keep track of, however its a great LOST rant... TC - this guy might as well be (speaking for) you.

enjoy!
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05-29-2010 , 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by donniccolo
this might be a repost as 2159 posts are hard to keep track of, however its a great LOST rant... TC - this guy might as well be (speaking for) you.

enjoy!
lol that was pretty weak.
A lot of the rants in this thread are 10x better than that. The best so far has been the collegehumor video complaining about all the unanswered questions.
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05-29-2010 , 09:49 AM
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lol that was pretty weak.
A lot of the rants in this thread are 10x better than that. The best so far has been the collegehumor video complaining about all the unanswered questions.
i respectfully disagree. but that's the good thing about opinions!
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05-29-2010 , 10:01 AM
Amazing that they have the audacity to put the hieroglyphics on the outside of the box
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05-29-2010 , 10:02 AM
More info on the above collectors edition:
http://www.thehdroom.com/news/Lost-T...auty-Shot/6772

Looks cool, not entirely sure what is in the box that the blacklight is required (presumably it has an imprinted "lockdown map" but given i dont own any of the DVDs im sure its gonna get bought at some point when i have cash to spare (not rushing to rewatch the entire show anyway).

Including the Sennet game is a nice touch though the "collectable Ankh" is a bit dumb.
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05-29-2010 , 10:03 AM
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Amazing that they have the audacity to put the hieroglyphics on the outside of the box
yeaaaaa. i wasn't terribly interested in the answers to those questions as it seems totally irrelevant to the overall plot but that's ballsy.
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05-29-2010 , 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
More info on the above collectors edition:
http://www.thehdroom.com/news/Lost-T...auty-Shot/6772

Looks cool, not entirely sure what is in the box that the blacklight is required (presumably it has an imprinted "lockdown map" but given i dont own any of the DVDs im sure its gonna get bought at some point when i have cash to spare (not rushing to rewatch the entire show anyway).

Including the Sennet game is a nice touch though the "collectable Ankh" is a bit dumb.
i know at least one person that would be more likely to buy b/c of hte collectible ankh.

she really likes ankhs.
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05-29-2010 , 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by donniccolo
this might be a repost as 2159 posts are hard to keep track of, however its a great LOST rant... TC - this guy might as well be (speaking for) you.

enjoy!
The reviewer................he complains about a show that makes no sense. Lets review his review, He loved the first 2 seasons, but hated the smoke monster and the hatch...............IIRC, both those arcs were part of the first season.

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05-29-2010 , 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by jeromy
Season 1 Kate in the Season 6 dress would have been wonderful.
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05-29-2010 , 12:52 PM
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Quick questions:
- Did we see MiB actually manipulating Ben in the story, or is it just being assumed because of Ben's actions that this was happening?
- I also don't understand the whole Purge event, seeing as Richard was actively involved in what was basically small scale genocide.
- Finally, wouldn't Richard have known that Ben had never really seen Jacob?
Those storylines were dropped or de-emphasized as the writers changed their minds. Your 2nd was the most pointed example as Ben retains his evilness with a genocide, but they later decided he should be 'complex' and they backtracked on whether he had in fact done it.

Of the many improvements we can suggest, it's that they should have introduced these storylines earlier, such as Jacob v. MiV if they were to be the conclusion to the entire show. Perhaps they though that it would leak out and everyone would know it, so they waited until season 6.

Since everything gets remade, I wonder if they will change that in Lost the Next Generation.
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05-29-2010 , 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by donniccolo
this might be a repost as 2159 posts are hard to keep track of, however its a great LOST rant... TC - this guy might as well be (speaking for) you.

enjoy!

This was terrible. There are some legitimate reasons for disliking the series or the finale but this guy whiffed on all of them. It was kind of uncomfortable to watch.
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05-29-2010 , 01:37 PM
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The reviewer................he complains about a show that makes no sense. Lets review his review, He loved the first 2 seasons, but hated the smoke monster and the hatch...............IIRC, both those arcs were part of the first season.

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This was terrible. There are some legitimate reasons for disliking the series or the finale but this guy whiffed on all of them. It was kind of uncomfortable to watch.
heck, i liked the finale but i got a laugh out of the rant. i disagreed w/ most of it, considering the entire show was a gigantic willing suspension of disbelief... i guess i'm just easy to amuse
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05-29-2010 , 02:19 PM
yeah, the review was funny, I should have added some to my comment.

Its hard to tell sometimes whether reviews are real or satirical. I made the mistake of reading some of the blogs created for this show. darkufo and odi I thought would aid in filling in some of the gaps, but these fans have ulterior motives. For some asinine reason they prefer to spin the given story to fit what they wanted to see.

I ended up at karenslostnotes, the idiot would create her own transcribed script, and refuse to accept what she heard was different that what was actually written and aired.

There are many ways to interpret this story, it means different things to different people, but the script is the script. Love it, hate it, believe its real science, see the entire story a pile of steaming poppycock, or just enjoy the ride.
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05-29-2010 , 02:39 PM
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Most of these are really tiny and not worth knowing, such as the food drops. Many are either explained to a satisfactory degree or you just know nothing about the show and refuse to actually research stuff relying on your memory.

Most of this stuff is all on lostpedia.

There ARE mysteries such as the numbers which i want more info, but not so much it is stopping me from enjoying the show and the highly enjoyable finale.
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unanswered questions

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1936291

brilliant infact
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I hope you dont. Most of this is grade A nittery to entirely irrelivent nothingness points of vague interest.
I'm quite a few pages back, but it's like you and others who claim a lot of stuff was explained pick the people asking the stupid questions to answer and just dismiss the legit gripes.

As far as the finale goes, I think it's pretty much the best they could possibly do with what they'd built up in S6, so I definitely enjoyed it. I like the theme and the idea that they tried to represent, but the execution wasn't very good. Just watch that college humor video. Sure, a lot of those things aren't material of themselves and a couple would be fine, but there are SO MANY things that were unexplained over SIX YEARS that you've got to feel let down somewhat. Sure the finale was great, but for 6 years I've wanted to find out why this and why that, and they just brush all of that off to concentrate on the characters and a greater message at the end. The message is nice, and the finale was great, but if that's what they wanted to talk about they didn't need to hammer us with mysteries.

Also, a lot of people seem to not understand why people ask a lot about Walt, but not as much about Hurley for example. Hurley can see dead people, we know it. However, in the case of Walt, not only does he have powers, but we're constantly told for a season+ that he's going to be incredibly important, and then he vanishes. Desmond, we're told is going to be important, and at least he ends up being so, so I'm OK with not really knowing why he is the way he is. I don't like it, but it's acceptable. OTOH, they've written Walt as though he's going to be the key character at some point, yet he never is.

Oh and Widmore. WTF.
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05-29-2010 , 02:49 PM
I realize that vid has a lot of mysteries/questions that I would classify as either answered or that don't matter. I also think that a lot of the questions that have been asked by sceptics are not good ones, so I'd love to hear explanations/takes on these select few:
  • What's the deal with babies/pregnancies/Aaron? Is Aaron going to be like Jacob/MIB because he was born there? WTF?
  • why can Jacob leave the island, but Mother wouldn't let MIB leave?
  • Temple & dogen. WTF?
  • Why did they need to recreate the circumstances of the crash, killing a ton of people, when DI and The Others have been traveling back and forth to the island for decades?
  • Hieroglyphs, wtf? Not super important.
  • WTF do they mean when they say Sayid was infected? At first I thought it was because he'd joined MIB, but we're clearly shown later that he can switch back without being killed off by a voluntarily taken poison pill (WTF?). Just tell him MIB is the devil man!
  • What's the deal with young Jacob?
  • Widmore. Pretty much all that relates to him. They could have used him as an awesome device to give answers in the last season, butnah.
  • Shannon, really? WTF hapenned to Nadia? Why waste literally HOURS developing her love story w/ Sayid to dump Shannon on us?
  • If it's Jacob who brought them to the island, why is it that it's the Incident that causes them to crash on it?
  • Constants, sup with that?

EDIT: To give examples of what I think is explained:
  • The Island
  • Jacob
  • The plane crash
  • How they fixed a crashed plane and got it going in a few minutes (DUCT TAPE YO!)

Last edited by Jim14Qc; 05-29-2010 at 02:55 PM.
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