The "it worked" was Juliet talking about the candy bar in the vending machine falling as others have said. It was her consciousness slipping into the limbo dimension.

Yeah why did I even watch the show, I don't have anything to show for it now!

That Kate got back with Jack and Sawyer got to bone Juliet in purgatory.

Damn 19 pages... I'm looking forward to reading this thread, but it will take a while. And I have tons of observation but I'll read thread first before commenting on specifics, here are some general thoughts (great story right?).

I found myself saying to Bakes "Damn it, I'm not proud to say that I actually like this episode even though I don't want to like it." I think I felt this cuz it should not have been the LAST episode. To me the most annoying thing (so far) is the way they DRAGGED on the alt reality for apparently no story driving reason (it could've been done much faster/better imo) other then "welcome to purgatory", even if this was their way of wrapping it up. It was pretty shameless and self-indulgent of trying to create this "wonderland" for everyone without staying focused on something that already had all those elements, the island and each one's purpose there. Felt very "crutchy/let's be twisty" type of writing. Ugh...

Also, imo, they messed up the order of the episodes. ep#1 of this season should've been the MIB/Jacob being born/growing up on the island story ep, then ep. 3 or 4 should've been Richard's story, then the lighthouse then all the mystic stuff (there was plenty), then maybe start the alt reality (which I could've done without and the island and characters offered mystique enough that this could've been deleted completely).

And the TEMPLE, c'mon... No need for TEMPLE people with guy who doesn't like the way english feels on his tongue or whatever, no Fake Tina Fey, no need for Widmore (in any season of Lost since apparently he had NO PURPOSE to the entire series other then being a "bad guy" or whatever).

I dunno just feels like they didn't trust their show/island/characters to offer enough mystery to carry out the final season, so this alt reality, temple, all this BS had to be incremented into the story.

But still, I kind of liked this final episode, because of the way they conducted the entire season 6, there wasn't a much better way to finish, imo. Damn this could've been a great season. It's pretty up there for me with season #3, where I gave up and stopped watching when the eye-patch man appeared and there were sensors around a field and what-nots. Meh... GG Lost.

I agree with you for the most part, Maridu. But what purpose did the "Tailies" have? What purpose did the "others" even serve? They were all just advancements in the plot. FFS, the whole second season was wasted if you look at it from that point of view.

keep viewers entertained for 6 years?

i mean did you ever watch a sitcom? it's just the same ppl sitting in the same set talking. always. what's the point, right?

I watched your avatar for a half hour and other than this huge erection have nothing to show for it!

Or more like

I've made 9700+ posts on 2+2 and have nothing to show for it!

Obviously Lost had amazing actors and really solid character development. But some people watched it more for the mystery island aspects and those people got ripped off, theres nothing wrong with these people being pissed. If you were watching it more for the characters stories then thats great for you, you got a really satisfying ending.

But Lost used to be able to deliver to those of us watching it for the mystery. I was barely interested in Season 1 but I had to keep watching to find out about the hatch. What turned me into a Lost viewer was that they were actually able to deliver the AHA moment when they opened the hatch. Season 2 and 3 were some amazing television, 4 was pretty good too. But once they brought in all that time travel crap they really lost any over arching goal to the show. They had mostly blown their load at that point and had no actual plan to conclude the series. So we got a bunch of meandering around the island. Its no wonder the final episode didnt resolve anthing, there was no real major plot points that needed resolving!

I'd say seasons 5 & 6 were a complete waste of time for me and I wish I could take it back, I could essentially stop at the end of season 4 and then watch the finale and I would have enjoyed it just as much as if I had watched the whole show.

Again, you should've been a writer for Lost. That is something Jacob would've said to Jack. It's highly cryptic, doesn't really mean anything, and sure as hell doesn't explain anything. Just cause you made a convention that time isn't linear (basically time travel was possible) doesn't mean you can have a place where time has no rules whatsoever and is completely arbitrary, and that that is supposed to explain everything. Trying to make it have some basis in science is even worse.

im not really sure why a higher state of being that you only enter after death needs to follow any sorts of laws of space and time...and the concept of time being non-linear is acknowledged by like...nearly every modern physicist since einstein anyway. ffs now they think there are 10 dimensions:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkxieS-6WuA

thats part one of a sweet video that viewers of lost would probably enjoy.

I think a lot of this might have had to do with them switching the finale to Sunday. People are creatures of habit no one pays attention to changes like that. I remember all those times 24 would have a 2 hour season finale a ton of my friends would miss that they were going to start an hour earlier.
All those explanations given don't make sense for all the reasons people gave, plus the fact that it's supposedly impossible to find the island, and if you don't fly at it at a correct bearing weird stuff happens.

When did I say time can't be non-linear? Find me a scientist that says that time follows no laws whatsoever (supposedly what is going on in the alt-timeline, except we see time progressing in a very normal fashion).

EDIT didn't watch your video but the ten dimensions thing is kinda meh since it will never have any bearing on our existence and we will never be able to perceive them in any meaningful way. really makes no difference whether they are there or not.

Did they pace the show, yes. If it was all out action from the start of the season the viewer would have been exhausted by the finale. Could they have sped up some of the non essential arcs, ........no. It fit well with the ending they had planned. Just my opinion at this moment, and may change next week when I review the 6th season.

This is probably a re-post, but just in case it isn't...

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1936291

Not sure what you mean by this. If you mean that they all didn't die at the same time, thats the basis of a non-linear coexistence. A show that made great use of that phenomenon was ST: DS9. I use a show for example because we are discussing non-reality TV programming, not science facts, to explain.

I agree and disagree with this. I don't think it was "an outright lie" but the purgatory thing is pretty close to saying that it was all a dream which feels cheap.

The bigger problem for me is that a lot of the misdirection created something out of nothing. The plot the first 5 seasons was based around conflicts that weren't particularly interesting on their own, but they were compelling because of the mystery surrounding the motivations of one or both parties. Since there was nothing interesting going on behind any of those, it feels cheap. I may end up rewatching it because my wife stopped watching after the second season and will probably want to see the rest, but I don't think it holds up at all to a second viewing.

Someone asked this before, but I don't think anybody answered. For the people that like the direction the show went the last season, how do you think it will hold up on a second viewing? Do you think you would have liked it if they presented it in chronological order, saying ahead of time that there was time travel and ending with the purgatory stuff presented in the same order?

My answers in bold:

je-sus-christ you guys. enough posts? ;-)

i had some thoughts but i don't really care to type most of them since most of you seem to think your theory is "truth" when a theory is not truth (thats why its called a theory ;-)

please stop saying that things are definite. most things are your opinions. i happen to agree with a lot of your opinions but i differ on some stuff too - ie i hate the word "purgatory" and do not believe that purgatory was in LOST. don't bother telling me why i'm wrong. i'll keep an open mind but for now i'm still out there with my final analysis/theory. i want to read more and watch the finale again before making a final decision.

no, i did and i was pissed once i realised that i was duped!

no


me incl

good stuff. good post. agree w/ most.

i didn't know the alts were fake. oh well.

ps phil is pretty good @ lost. i don't agree w/ all his stuff, but lots of it!

really good stuff. i vote for alien spaceship!

key words highlighted.

good stuff. as stated earlier, i like the idea of infinite realities.

good call. but be careful we don't want his head getting too big ;-)


i disagree as i liked the finale and the show, but i like your post too!!

awesome line! i can't believe it took nearly 2,000 posts to make the thread!

wait a minute, wait a minute... there are people who don't like "The Usual Suspects"? what movies do you like if this isn't one? wow.

i think i read that was the name used in casting call for the actor to play MiB - link anyone?

also how could Jacob have a daughter if we saw his life story on the Island? he left and banged someone? or banged someone who left the Island? hmmm?

hehe it does make sense if you understand basic quantum physics



there are a lot of good theories and some pretty bad ones, but all in all its everyone for themselves. i'm happy with how the show ended. i admittedly wish it had more cool egyptian/hieroglyphic/science stuff but i can see how the show was telling a long story about jack shepard and a lot of people he knew. some in more detail than others. ultimately, things that were important to jack and these people are the details the writers tried to focus on. i'm sure they tried their best. its not like they set out to peek off half of the fans.

gg LOST. gg 24.

i need some new shows. Fringe is bomb. I hear The Wire is good. open to more suggestions.

****ing magnets, how do they work

that's the point. it was an intentionally dishonest attempt at misdirection.

either that or the producers intended jughead to have worked at the beginning of S6 and ended up rewriting the finale, with a lame patchwork (vending machine) explanation for what she said thrown in.

probably this

The way I understand it, non-linear time allows for time travel. But here we are talking about every person in the alt-timeline not only perceiving the progression of time at a different rate from everyone else, but having those rates arbitrarily speed up and slow down independent of each other. After they all get on Oceanic 815 in the alttimeline, time flows in a uniform fashion for all of them, even though supposedly before that it wasn't flowing at all, or at different rates, or whatever Christian meant by time not existing there. I just don't think you can explain all of that by "time is non-linear LDO."

But I think the others had purpose as in becoming MIB's family once he deserted Jacob/Mother, showing there had been others since forever, etc. LOL, am I dumb for not knowing what the "Tailies" are (ohhh, is it people from the tail? Ha, I'm stoopid!). I guess the tailies (if I'm correct in thinking they are from the TAIL lol) were there to bring the "others" more into the story and create some type of division between the 2 wrecked sections of the island, also for Hurley+Blonde crazy woman to get together. And season 2 is Bakes favorite cuz of the hatch thing, the button thing, Desmond and Ecko (my fave character on Lost, well after Hurley and Sawyer) - I rly did think Ecko had a bigger part in all of this. I think Dharma was sorta left behind too, but fine I can deal with that (even though there was awesomeness to be made from that if they wanted). Time travel. Island shifting/sinking. So much...

How did they not mention what Sawyer whispered to Kate in the season 4 finale when he jumps out of the chopper? Wasn't that supposed to be something important? Not just "I love you freckles let's bone".

Again, I liked the last ep., I get it, even though I'm not a fan of them "preaching", it's kinda condescending with the viewer and stand-offish with their own show and all the mysteries they created in past seasons (amazing mysteries for that matter that imo deserved more attention, I'm not even saying an explanation of black and white, but at least some love shown to these amazing mysteries they created) instead of create an ENTIRE new thing that had never been a part of the show like the alt. reality which was a waste of time (but if they had no other way to get out of their writing corner, it should've been done MUCH faster/better), episodes should've been shown in different order, and Widmore's character was useless for the entire series - and the temple just makes me LOL at how BAD they were doing in the beginning. I just think that season 6 could've been done in a much better way for the show and for the fans, with a much more satisfying outcome (not that I need to be spoon fed answers or whatever, it just could've been so good, and resolved in this world, not in some other world, then go to wonderland or whatever and dance with Michael Jackson).

But lol for some reason I still liked the last ep.

Semtex, this show, and many of the genre, require the viewer to suspend the need for hard facts and Scientific Laws. Time is non-linear is the perfect explanation for the viewer to watch the show unfold. Even if you don't believe it.

There is honestly no difference between Lost and Sixth Sense in those terms.

The creators specifically said it wasnt another universe. There was no trickery, it was identical in every way right down to saying they were all ghosts at the end.

The lie only goes so far as self deception coupled with an inbuilt need to be proven right about your own ideas. Honestly i cant think of a better way the sideways stuff could have been resolved, that was absolutely the best part of the last season and the on island stuff is weakest.

As i said before everyone wishes they were a writer making their favourite shows. We all want to create a better Lost ending, or Transformers film and we are happy to self deceive that we have that ability. The thing is this wasnt our show, there was no lying to us because we got sold a faulty toaster, this was a story - their story - and we were just passengers along for the ride.

Perfection is so beyond rare it is unreal. I dont think there has been a perfect story since Shakespeare and even he had some dodgy plays. The Wire is perfect yadda yadda and yet everyone hates season 2.

Going into the last season i was probably the most pessimistic person on this forum, but damn if it didnt grab me from the first episode and it didnt let go. All throughout the sideways stuff was happening and people were saying "this makes no sense, where does this fit into the story" and i said "wait for it because this will be resolved" and it was and imo they created an amazing ending with the purgatory.

Does Lost need a companion of some kind - be it an official book or some kind of The Plan style one off movie - id struggle to disagree because there are unanswered questions that we have to theorise logical answers to ourselves. But i just dont see how people are suddenly realising that Lost fails to give answers. Here we are 6 years later and nothing changed from day one. The show was never about the answers, it was always about the questions and it was always about interpreting our own answers. This is the truth, the truth that there never was a lie at all.