as I said, I know tons of these stories exist. but explain how pictures end up being unframed and rehung in different frames...and the camera taking the time to show us these things

Well, since Walt wasn't there we can either assume his time on the island wasn't the most important in his life or he is stuck on the island with the rest of the whispers.

Which episode is this, i actually have no idea what you are talking about here.

My money is simple production error. I mean they screwed up Kate's name not being crossed off in the lighthouse, losing the pictures when they had to reshoot a scene and just repropping the scene without using the same and then the differences coming out in edit is pretty standard. Im sure this is common on all shows, its just no one looks out for it in them.

As for the pictures i assume what is being pictured is WAY more of a reason why we are shown them and not the picture frames themselves. I mean are you saying the island changed some picture frames? Jacob took up home decorating at some point and used it as a subtle clue to change people's destiny?

The problem as i see it right now is you are seeking meaning in random events that came about due to the logistics of filming and setdressing a scene.

Ok, i've only read half of this thread so far but i CAN'T be the first to mention that this ending was written from day one. darlton have publicly stated that they kept jj abrahms original ending and knew that church scene was how the series would end multiple times. so if you didn't like it, thats too bad, but they've been playing the fate/free will/man of science/faith angles for so hard that its just kind of sad if you missed it.

regarding all the mysteries of the island, you have to remember these characters are mostly a bunch of idiots when it comes to science, and this is a story primarily told from the viewpoints of different characters. we rarely get a glimpse of knowledge beyond what our main characters have figured out about the island, and that is an intentional choice on the parts of the writers to keep the suspense going. i think we got pretty good explanations as to how everything works to be quite honest and i would really like to understand what "answers" people think have been left out?

i mean did anyone seriously expect walt to be coming back to the show? locke visited him in the real world and they basically totally wrapped up that storyline then and there. aaron was ultimately unimportant to the mythology but was very important for character development and moving the plot along at various points; even after he stopped appearing in the show, kate was ultimately driven back to the island out of a need to rescue claire and reunite them. thematically he served as a means to redemption for at least 4 characters on and off the island, and in the flash-sideways he was one of the "constants" linking the losties together for their final journey home.

anyway i could probably write a lot more about this **** but it feels like a big waste of time, lol.

I think it was the scene where Miles is taking the drug money from the dead kid's room.

MiB can't leave the island because Mother is trying to manipulate him into taking over her role as the protector.

My interpretation was that when they unplugged the cork the whole world would've been destroyed, not just the island.


This is kind of silly. All of these are steps along the way to learning the next step. This is like saying elementary school -->doesn't matter, leads to-->middle school-->doesn't matter, leads to-->high school. These are all necessary to get to the next step. And how can you saw what they did didn't matter. They were the ones after thousands of years of trying that were able to kill the smoke monster.

Pretty sure the childbirth issues started with the Incident because the island's magnetic field was ****ed up or some ****.

Explained long ago.

I strongly doubt either of those was Smokey rather than the actual Christian, but I agree they left the whole situation with the Christian ghost appearances very confused.

The light at the center of the island going out would have destroyed the whole world, not just the island IMO.

Because Jacob gave him that power?

With the healing powers of the island, I'll give this one a pass and just assume that decay works very differently than in the real world.

It caused the Incident. We were left at the end of the season 5 not knowing whether the bomb had "worked" or if it had really just been what caused the Incident in the first place. Since we now know it didn't work, we know it caused the Incident.

Miles was born on the Island. It seems like except for Walt, everyone who has powers develops them on the Island and they still work after they get off later. Of course, there's no explanation for why this happens.

Beyond this though, I do agree that the rest of the questions you bring up are basically unanswered though. Personally, I want to know about Ethan's super strength.

The losties weren't "waiting" for thousands of years for Hurley. Time is nonexistent in this place they created to find each other. The island was not irrelevant. Everything they did there mattered. It was not a vehicle for them to meet.

Christian is real. Keamy is not. Keamy was part of the creation by the losties to find each other. Keamy in the limbo is as imaginary as Jack's son.

The incident was Jughead. They tried to go back and change things but you can't. Whatever happened happened. By asian dude I guess you mean Dogen. He was not the leader of the Others, he was the templemaster. Ben sent all of the Others to the temple during I think season 4 when the freighter people got there.

I can't buy the theory that Jughead caused the incident. DHARMA drilling into the energy pocket caused the discharge that needed to be vented every 108 minutes. That was the incident. The nuke time tossed the losties, without it they stay in the 1977 timeline.

In the alt-timeline they had memories of what they did in Australia and of their previous lives. Before our eyes time advanced, IE **** happened which led to other **** happening, etc. What doesn't make sense is was this supposed to go on indefinitely for the people who died before the others? Like I said something like Groundhog Day where you just live the same day over and over (except you have no idea it is happening that way)? It's not enough to just say time is non-existent. Again, that is pretty terrible.

And how did Christian know everything about what was going on in purgatory without being awakened? Actually he was technically dead in purgatory...head explode. Was he really "Christian Shepherd" ie some sort of God character? That seems kind of weak.

I'm with you.

We'll just have to agree to disagree then. My feeling is that when the losties set off Jughead and caused the incident the universe then course corrected and sent them back to their rightful time having complete what they were supposed to do.

I don't think the bomb ever went off

the islands natural energy causing time travel/not killing people/turning day into night is much more consistent with the Lost universe than a nuclear bomb going off and doing those things

haha

That is the way Christian put it. The way people are talking is like all of the losties had to sit around for 2000 years and wait for Hurley to die. Its a weird concept and hard to comprehend but that's my take on it.

Also, not really sure how Christian knew everything, I just assume he had been awakened somehow already and we just didn't see it. All of the characters that were awakened somehow know to go to the church almost instantly so I don't think he was any different than the rest of them.

i don't think this has been discussed in over 1700 posts.

When Hurley takes Sayid to reconnect with Shannon- Boone says something to the effect of "you don't know how hard it was to get her here from Australia." Implying that he's been on board with this plan since prior to the flight. I can accept that he had his awakening moment sometime off screen via Hurley or maybe Desmond, but his knowledge of the master plan/exodus seems to predate everyone else.

WTF is that all about

also as stated earlier- Micheal is a whisper but Sayid is self actualized is BS. an unredeemed character clearly should have played the Micheal whisper role if it were to exist at all.

The island DID send them through time. Once they had completed their goal (setting off the bomb) the island instantly sent them back. That's why the losties were not hurt by the bomb, they were sent back at the exact second it went off.

Shannon wasn't on the plane so Boone didn't know before they left Australia for LA. He either went back to Australia to get her or called her and convinced her to come back after he was awakened.

You need to stop thinking that time is a linear concept.

I never thought about that, Shannon wasn't on on the plane with the rest. It explains why Boone goes to chat with Hurley after the fight, something about that scene bothered me and I just couldn't put my finger on it. Small detail I forgot, thx.

i dont think i agree with this, ana lucia is there but desmond tells hurley she's not ready yet. is she imaginary? also ben stays behind, so why would ben stay behind in this "imaginary" place. how do you determine who is imaginary? alex and danielle imaginary also? i just dont think so.

either all the ppl from the island-verse that appear in the sideways are actually there or they are not. you cannot just say keamy is imaginary because its convenient for you to say so.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/los...nsion-d,17485/

LOL!

You should be a writer for Lost. That makes zero sense