I think you also have to consider each bit - and look at how that affected / influenced Jack - to where he eventually became a man of faith - happy to sacrifice himself to protect the island (and also so that Kate could get off the island).

The Hatch - shined a big spotlight on the faith vs science debate

Others - saved Ben - so that Sawyer/Kate would be safe and escape.

etc. etc.

absolutely the most ****ing ******ed episode of any tv show ever ainec. srsly wtf was the point of the first 100 episodes if none of the storylines from them had anything at all to do with the finale and the episodes leading up to it. i didnt know it was possible to feel scammed by a tv show but jesus ****ing christ it got progressively worse and worse til the end where its like the writers just said '**** it, we already got paid' and just whipped up some random bs. **** you.

Did you actually watch the finale or did you just not understand it?
Serious question btw

exactly he says he's real, so its not dreamlike, so how can keamy die twice and time and science dont matter, but we see day and night scenes. im just saying if this is how you're gonna choose to end it, at least keep stuff consistent. then it def looks like the ending is a cop out, when you leave holes like these.

You take the position that no violent acts can occur in purgatory/waiting area? It is what you make it, sort of a theme in the show. Killers kill, con men con, lovers love. It ain't all unicorns and lollipops.

I've been generally disappointed in Slate's TV Club, but this post brings up some interesting questions about the finale:

And I guess we've seen the church before:

I really hope this finale doesn't sour people from making as ambitious serial dramas in the future. I know a lot of people, myself included, were not happy with the payoff of the final season and I can see this, plus a bunch of other serial dramas getting cancelled early (heroes, flash forward, etc...) turning people off to the concept of watching a show week in, week out only to have the show cancelled or end rather oddly.

I LOVE serial dramas. I enjoy the slow progression, the need to watch it every week, the cliff hangers...and I really hope we get something like this again very soon. RIP Lost and 24

i'm not following you - you and I seem to be on different planets - so i say we just agree to disagree

NO, not at all. I just wonder how a place that is created, but is yet still real, can show a man dying that is already dead?

ya maybe i saw it wrong, but ive never hrd of an afterlife where ppl can die again.

thats not a hole. thats you deciding that purgatory (in LOST) cant work like this. which is kinda funny because i assume you had no problem with a smoke monster living on a magic island for years.

but i did learn something from this thread!
unexplainable supernatural stuff that ppl like = awesome writing
unexplainable supernatural stuff that ppl dont like = lazy writing/bad writing/cheating/robbery/crime against humanity


those shows were canceled because they sucked balls

Depending or what your deity cup of tea is, this is a 1 word answer or multi volume thesis. That place is non-linear, and imo, dead means off to hell, alive means off to heaven.

btw, I am not a religious person. Heaven & hell are just used as explanatorys.

No, that was terrible. Vagos is being generous when he says 50%. It's more like 80% of those questions were answered.

"How and when did Ben go from DHARMA to the others?"--Really? Does the guy not watch the show/ have the memory of a 2 year old?

"where did Jacob/MiB real mother come from?"--a ship? does the continent actually matter that much to you?

I will admit, there are questions that I wish were answered. For example, I wish they talked about E.Hawking more, I wish they explained the pendulum, etc. I'm not going to say that this show was terrible because they didn't answer those questions, for 6 years we were put on an awesome ride where we as an audience analyzed EVERY little detail about the show. I'll take some mysteries on the side.

They werent real people. Just think of them like other people in a dream. They seem to be real, but they werent.

That i al purgatory is in the context of Lost, a group collective dream state. Basically.

If the light goes out bad things happen. That was said by basically everyone who knew slightly more than nothing. The light seems to be the filtered form of "bad energy" that the stone "cork" is stopping from being released. Most philosophy agrees that people are born neither good nor bad, but their experiences changes them to one direction or the other to varying degrees. Without the Island people would instead be created with an inbuilt leaning towards being bad.

That is my interpretation right now anyway. That is why just destroying the island is a bad idea.

Without a protector people would still crash onto the island and they would potentially destroy it. As for the stream of people coming onto the island under Jacob that was just to find a new protector and ultimately someone able to stop MiB. Under Mother it seems people came largely at random and under Hurley it probably went back to a somewhat similar system.

That thing the "writer" wrote about MiB being the unique influence under the age of Jacob is something i wrote back in the last thread, where he is now influencing arrivals to turn bad. His original goal might have been to leave but releasing a highly powerful and clearly vengeful being on the outside world would be bad even if you assume he doesnt directly destroy the island by leaving or whatever else.

As for why Mother didnt let him leave this was a long con so he would kill her. That is what the "thank you" was all about.

i always felt like the smoke monster was like a ghost. and i was kinda correct. i just never hrd of any afterlife like that before. where i can die, get there and die again, then what happens, i cease to exist.

but you cant assume its a dream, when Christian clearly refers to himself, jack and everyone else in the church as real. and if its a dream, then shldnt we be disappointed because none of those scenes are real. kinda like Total Recall.

Its not a dream, it is like a dream. The other characters are no more real in a tangible 3 dimensional here on earth way as the buildings were or whatever.

They created the place but they also created all the people in the place. People cant die again in the afterlife but you are reaching for the wrong conclusion.

This pissed me off quite a bit, and the reason I decided...



Homey just wanted to go to Disneyworld, and see the Great Wall of China. He wanted to hike the Grand Canyon, and play Craps in Vegas, but instead, he gets kidnapped at birth by some crazy bitch, who kills his real mom, and get's lied to for his entire life all because she obviously hasn't gotten laid in a million years and has a crush on one of her "Sons", the one who isn't a naive little Momma's Boy.

So, then, this spiteful ****, who has already lost her son through time, if not great distance, decides, "Well, if I can't have him, no one can" and not only bans him from leaving but manipulates him in to murdering her, while failing to mention to her weak son that SHE WANTED TO DIE!

So, now this insecure, naive lil bitch, named Jacob, decides to go against his Mother's will and toss his own brother into the one place where men can't go, and not only destroys his humanity, but traps him forever and corrupts his spirit for eternity.

PRETTY RAW DEAL, IMO!

FWIW, I think it was actually fantastic writing, and illlustrated the fact that good/evil can exist in every man, and through our own free will as humans we can turn ourselves or others into heroes/villains. MIB absolutely was not inherently evil, he just had a really ****ed up family, that was too self absorbed to make sacrifices for his happiness (Sound familiar? Rhymes with highness).

Yea, mother, so obv you thought he would be a better protector than jacob, who wouldn't? No one likes a suck up, but in the end, Jacob could do the job. You didn't have to **** him up forever.

/RANT

if MIB is influencing new arrivals to corrupt each other, than why doesn't Jacob do anything to counter act this?

the idea is that Ben/people who came before him THINK they are following Jacob, but really they are being influenced by MIB?

He clearly died. Or is it called something else in this like a dream place? I was just upset cuz the ending was something i def thought about, then i saw ppl dying or apparently not dying in the flash sideways world, and assumed that ending didnt make sense anymore, so to still see it was kinda weird.

Smokey is the show's sympathetic figure, and in the end Jacob turned out to be a pretty horrible character. Jacob sucked. I loved the finale, but man did I hate Across the Sea. Nothing made that episode better.

All the hate being thrown around by the "we want answers" crowd should be directed at Across the Sea.

The Losties souls are creating a common reality. In this reality there are people who serve as catalysts for finding the other losties, but they are not actual Souls. They are simply constructs of their collective spiritual subconscious.

I think the easiest way to think of it, is like the world in Abre Los Ojos (Vanilla Sky), but created by many people's subconscious, instead of just one, and obviously in a metaphysical manner, rather than a technological one.

Man, I didn't like Across the Sea, because of it's placement in the show, and the fact that I thought they should have introduced the mythology much earlier, and because it was so laghable when they switched from latin to english...but as far as the story goes, I couldn't have been happier.

It was a much more powerful message to have Jacob be an incredibly fallible character, and MIB to be a sympathetic one than for it to be cut and dry good/evil. It did wonders for delivering some of the ethical messages of the show.

The "importance" of Aaron can be easily explained, imo. The psychic initially had his strong feeling/premonition/whatever that Claire had to raise Aaron. He misinterpreted. The point was Claire had to get to the island with Aaron because she had an important role to play, ie. wrt Kate and Charlie. Psychic thought getting Claire on the plane was a means to an end but it was really Claire keeping Aaron that was the means to an end.

I think you're mixing to different things in the show and making Walt more important then he is. Walt's important to the others because he's a kid. Walt also happens to be "special". It's likely the writers, at one time, meant for Walt to be more important to the show but for whatever reason, he didn't end up being so. It's also not unreasonable that Walt was never intended to be important and was made to seem important to throw us off.

I've come around on Across the Sea, and the viewpoint of "there have always been protectors, there always will be" and how that's kind of enough.

however, I would have liked to have known a lot more about the Egyptian tie in. there was hieroglyphs and statues and all kinds of stuff that seemed to be of huge importance, and unless I'm missing something, the meaning of all this was never even hinted at.

I guess Egyptians were there at some point?