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05-25-2010 , 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Vagos
Except that half those questions are completely and totally irrelevant. "Who was Libby's previous husband who gave her a boat to give to Desmond?"

Really?
In your opinion. But what about the other half (~50?)

I am just disappointed like many people here about how many of these mysteries were wrapped up/tied together. I have watched many shows for their full life over several seasons, but Lost was different. With all the other shows, I tuned in each week, and when it was over, I waited until next week to think about it again for the most part.

But with Lost, a huge constituency of followers spent hours upon hours researching details of plot intricacies and clues/hints/easter eggs that were INTENTIONALLY included by the writers into the story. These weren't just die-hard conspiracy-minded fans trying to make more out of what was shown to them. The stuff was in Lost for a reason. And many of these reasons were never tied together.

That's why we feel cheated. If someone was a casual fan of the show, just watching the majority of the episodes they would be much more satisfied with the ending. But for those of us that thought Lost was "different", we were disappointed.
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05-25-2010 , 04:02 AM
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Frankly, for what is supposed to be a very calculated, cunning, Machiavellian man, most of Widmore's motivations are rather vague, and I think he was by far the worst handled character on the show.
Some serious grunching I just watched the episode.

To the quoted I have to say, yeah honestly. For what purpose could Widmore have possibly brought Desmond to the island other than destroying it? Except that was supposed to be just as bad as Smokey leaving, except we never find out what was supposed to be so terrible about that.

That episode was good TV, very moving, very beautiful etc etc. Unfortunately it made no sense whatsoever.

From what I gathered the alt-timeline is some sort of purgatory and at the end they are all going to get into heaven.

Jack died in the last scene but I assume Hurley, being protector, and Ben, being the new Richard lived on for probably another 1000 years (could have been any amount of time).

I assume every on the plane died cause Widmore had it rigged with explosives that mysteriously disappeared. Not to mention they ghetto-rigged the windshield with plywood, so would have had a max cruising altitude of like 10,000 feet, and would have gotten about 500 miles when they ran out of gas and crashed into the ocean.

Unfortunately that means that all the other losties were living in some kind of limbo where they had lives already set up but time did not advance. Kind of like groundhog day I guess until Hurley finally died and they could get on with it. That's pretty terrible. Not to mention the Island itself is rendered pretty much irrelevant, other than it being a vehicle for them to all meet so they could eventually die, find each other in purgatory and get into heaven.

Where they fack were Michael, Walt and Eko? I can understand maybe the actors had other things or contract issues, but didn't Michael make a pointless appearance like 5 episodes back? Oh no wait it did have a point he was explaining the whispers to be ghosts. But wait shouldn't the ghosts be in purgatory?
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05-25-2010 , 05:36 AM
My biggest problem is I still don't get the whole MiB/Jacob plot. Why is MiB bad and why can't he leave the island (even before he became the smoke monster)? He doesn't seem bad to me at all, just angry. Heck, if you want bad what about Jacob for killing off all those extra people every time he wants to bring a few "candidates" to the island.

Ok so even if we pretend that MiB really is some sort of super-evil dude who if he gets off the island will destroy the world, what is the whole light at the center of the island thing and why does it even need protecting at all? Why not just unplug the hole and let the island sink and the rest of the world would be none the wiser, big deal. Or just leave the island deserted since no one can find it anyway unless they are brought there (apparently).

I guess I'm let down that the show basically went like this:

Hatch--> doesn't matter, leads to --> Others --> don't matter, leads to --> Widmore/time travel/dharma --> doesn't matter, leads to --> MiB/Jacob (this is it yay!!!) --> doesn't matter (oh well) --> stupid ending where we can cry about how much we love the characters who basically did nothing of consequence on some island that didn't matter
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05-25-2010 , 06:32 AM
I can't believe how many people are asking about explosives on the plane. Locke took them off and put them in Jacks rucksack. They were the explosives that blew up the submarine. How on earth can you miss that and if you did the question should have been where did Locke get those explosive to put in jacks bag?

Plenty of other answers are there in the show for you to pick out yourself and not be spoon fed. For example, Michael told you all why he can't leave the island. Christian tells you that the people in the church are there because they spent they are the people that spent the most important parts of their lives together with. I am pretty sure the 3 months Walt spent on an island as a child weren't the defining moments of his life.

Also, Eko fell out with Lost. It was his decision to leave, he no longer wanted to be part of the show. From what I have read they tried to recruit him for the final season and he declined. Not a lot you can do about that now is there.
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05-25-2010 , 07:44 AM
I am pretty sure the 3 months Walt spent on an island as a child weren't the defining moments of his life.

of course not. you survive a planecrash, see several people dying. you are on an mysterious island witness super mysterious **** that neglects everything you knew about science. and you get kidnapped. somehow you are let free but your father chooses to return to the island. somehow you manage to pop up again on the island (maybe this was smokey, maybe not). im pretty sure this wouldnt be a "defining moment" for a 10-14 old. a new wii game seems way more important and would make you forget everything.

stop definding lost guys, it was just bad.
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05-25-2010 , 07:51 AM
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Plenty of other answers are there in the show for you to pick out yourself and not be spoon fed. For example, Michael told you all why he can't leave the island. Christian tells you that...
This is part of the problem right there though. They opened all these mysteries but planned them out so poorly the only way to take them anywhere was to literally have a character come on the screen and give a lecture to the audience. If I'm watching a crime drama, don't setup a brilliant murder mystery with 10 unsolved crimes then at the end have the chief of police give a press conference about how they solved 3 of them. Thats not how you tell a story.
My problem wouldn't be that the chief of police didn't give details about the other 7, I want to be shown how all the crimes were solved, not told. If you don't have time for that then don't tell a story with 10 crimes.
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05-25-2010 , 08:05 AM
how did ben get out from the tree?
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05-25-2010 , 08:25 AM
still havent got a solid answer as to how sayid was able to shoot and kill a few men, including Keamy in purgatory lol?
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05-25-2010 , 08:25 AM
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Jacks' dad said they built the church as a way to reunite themselves? Anything relevant from past episodes I'm not remembering?
idk if anyone mentioned this, but i remember Eko building a church. and since he left the show, maybe thats the church they were going to use, but had to come up with something else
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05-25-2010 , 08:29 AM
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I am pretty sure the 3 months Walt spent on an island as a child weren't the defining moments of his life.

of course not. you survive a planecrash, see several people dying. you are on an mysterious island witness super mysterious **** that neglects everything you knew about science. and you get kidnapped. somehow you are let free but your father chooses to return to the island. somehow you manage to pop up again on the island (maybe this was smokey, maybe not). im pretty sure this wouldnt be a "defining moment" for a 10-14 old. a new wii game seems way more important and would make you forget everything.

stop definding lost guys, it was just bad.
While you have a point. I think we can safely assume that his life didn't end with the 3 months he spent on the island at 10 years of age. Thus we can move on from such complaints.

I loved Lost every season except the last series. Your missing my point. A lot of the complaints in this thread have been about stuff that has been covered in the 6 seasons. If you have a genuine complaint i'm all for it, but instead we get repetitive complaints from people who are as dumb as a box of rocks and/ or people who seemingly miss large chunks of episodes. As far as the finale goes I am happy enough with how it ended and I am not judging 6 years on 2.5 hours.
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05-25-2010 , 08:34 AM
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This is part of the problem right there though. They opened all these mysteries but planned them out so poorly the only way to take them anywhere was to literally have a character come on the screen and give a lecture to the audience. If I'm watching a crime drama, don't setup a brilliant murder mystery with 10 unsolved crimes then at the end have the chief of police give a press conference about how they solved 3 of them. Thats not how you tell a story.
My problem wouldn't be that the chief of police didn't give details about the other 7, I want to be shown how all the crimes were solved, not told. If you don't have time for that then don't tell a story with 10 crimes.
I agree somewhat. The only thing I would say is that judging by this thread which i've read for the best part of 6 years, people are extremely dumb. It takes a character to come on and tell them plainly what has happened. Even after this people still don't get it.
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05-25-2010 , 08:58 AM
I mentioned this before, but perhaps my biggest beef is with "continuity errors" which were clearly too big too be continuity errors. these were used to generate buzz and viewer theories, but turned out to be 100% red herrings.

in in the Miles centric episode, the differences here were clearly planned:



basically the same exact thing happened to Desmonds record player and belongings in S2 - they completely switched everything around.

these either were planned to be part of the plot at some point (alternate universes or something) or were red herrings. neither is a great justification.
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05-25-2010 , 09:21 AM
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That quote by iconoclastic is amazing.

Even if not actually by a real writer it is a great theory and wraps up a couple loose ends ive been having about the show.
agree
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05-25-2010 , 09:32 AM
OK this thread is definitely TLR for how drunk I am but anyway, I just finished watching the Lost finale and these are my thoughts. Someone tell me if I'm close:

The universe where they didn't crash was a final place for everyone to sort out the last of their issues. Those who spent a lot of time on the island (it was "the most important time of their life") and had sorted out all their issues met up in the church to move on to the afterlife. They were all dead but some died after Jack (i.e. Hurley and Ben since they said "You were a great number 1/2" which means they lived a long time as rulers of the island) including those who made it away in the plane. No idea why the flash-sideways occured when Juliet detonated the bomb though, so if someone could explain that for me...

Therefore everything that happened on the island was real, just like Chistian Shephard said. The island really was the cork in the bottle between hell and earth except the cork was that rock in the light cave. If the rock wasn't put back in, the rest of the real world would have died/gone to hell/whatever. Jack's purpose in real life was to put the rock back in place and save the world. The island was an important spot to protect earth from hell yet, as mentioned in the retrospective, the story was more about the characters which is why that final twist with Christians dad occured. The final plot was about the characters sorting out their issues and moving on.

Jack's son wasn't real. He was just there to help sort out Jack's daddy issues. Jin and Sun's child, Aaron, Walt, Michael, Ekko, Rodriguez (forgot her name) weren't there because the island wasn't the most important part of their lives. Not sure about Lepidus. Widmore was pretty evil so maybe he went to hell... i dunno.

So am I close?? Smoked a ton and pretty drunk but i still think i'm close on this
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05-25-2010 , 09:32 AM
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http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/inde...ult_type=posts

link to the poster from Iconoclastic's post. He's consistent about working in the industry at least. Don't think he's a writer though. And his spelling is pretty bad in other posts.
thanks for posting/finding that - some super interesting stuff there (to me) - including:

Q: why women can't have babies...unless they're Claire or the twin's mom

A: The incident (the release of the electromagnitism that resulted in the Swan station being built) caused the infertility of the women on the island.
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05-25-2010 , 09:38 AM
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still havent got a solid answer as to how sayid was able to shoot and kill a few men, including Keamy in purgatory lol?
Pretty sure Keamy wasn't going to have some sort of revelation and then remember everything and head on into heaven with the gang. Another case of "do you really need to be spoon fed an answer to that question?" If so, use this one. Keamy was put there to get shot and then he had to head on down to hell or back to the island to wander around or whatever.

There's a lot of legitimate criticism, but when I watch stuff like the video posted ITT showing all the unanswered questions I think to myself (regarding most, not all the unanswered questions) "wow, I can't believe these people watched all this show and THAT's what they are hung up on."
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05-25-2010 , 09:42 AM
Ya- just consider Keamy (and others) - to be vehicles to help help the main characters re-hash and solve their issues.

Like the case of David - Jacks' son.


Could also take it a step further and say that Keamy - who appeared to be an awful human being - has been doomed to relive his existence in purgatory - forever repeating the same mistakes he made in life.
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05-25-2010 , 09:46 AM
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Ya- just consider Keamy (and others) - to be vehicles to help help the main characters re-hash and solve their issues.

Like the case of David - Jacks' son.


Could also take it a step further and say that Keamy - who appeared to be an awful human being - has been doomed to relive his existence in purgatory - forever repeating the same mistakes he made in life.
so you're saying its possible for characters to die in purgatory, feel pain, etc.? then all of a sudden get up from a wheel chair, because time/science don't matter anymore lol
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05-25-2010 , 09:50 AM
SHOCKER more answers to come on DVD set....GAY.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/163...21/story.jhtml
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05-25-2010 , 09:51 AM
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Did Jack become a man of faith, or did he form beliefs and conclusions based on the evidence that was presented to him?
This! I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding people's reactions but Lost isn't a show about faith in the supernatural (spiritual or otherwise), imo. It's a show about faith in humanity or in other people.

edit. You can't really call it faith when there's a ton of proof that supernatural stuff is happening.
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05-25-2010 , 09:53 AM
I'm not sure there will be anything really significant in the DVD

some rumors I have heard:

MIB's name

Spoiler:
Samuel


who Ilana is

Spoiler:
Jacobs daughter


I doubt they will let us know how water compared w/ air or w/e created the time traveling donkey wheel
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05-25-2010 , 09:54 AM
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Pretty sure Keamy wasn't going to have some sort of revelation and then remember everything and head on into heaven with the gang. Another case of "do you really need to be spoon fed an answer to that question?" If so, use this one. Keamy was put there to get shot and then he had to head on down to hell or back to the island to wander around or whatever.

There's a lot of legitimate criticism, but when I watch stuff like the video posted ITT showing all the unanswered questions I think to myself (regarding most, not all the unanswered questions) "wow, I can't believe these people watched all this show and THAT's what they are hung up on."
its more to me evidence that ending wasnt well thought out from even that plot point in the middle of s6, i mean come on the big reveal is some afterlife/purgatory where Christian says he's real and then you being upset cuz you eliminated that possibility a long time ago, when sayid is shooting and killing people, who now have died again. it just felt odd to me, thats all.
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05-25-2010 , 10:03 AM
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so you're saying its possible for characters to die in purgatory, feel pain, etc.? then all of a sudden get up from a wheel chair, because time/science don't matter anymore lol
Christian clearly says "time doesn't matter here"

As to your other points - Locke got up from a wheel chair - on the island - in Lost real life.

Rose's cancer was cured in Lost real life.

Locke wiggled his toes in the purgatory after the surgery - and then proceeded to get up and walk an hour later at the church.

Sun - after being shot in the stomach left the hospital apparently feeling no pain.

I don't have a clue where you're coming from...
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05-25-2010 , 10:04 AM
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I guess I'm let down that the show basically went like this:

Hatch--> doesn't matter, leads to --> Others --> don't matter, leads to --> Widmore/time travel/dharma --> doesn't matter, leads to --> MiB/Jacob (this is it yay!!!) --> doesn't matter (oh well) --> stupid ending where we can cry about how much we love the characters who basically did nothing of consequence on some island that didn't matter
I don't understand why this is such a big problem for so many people.

Imagine a Google Earth view zoomed way in on a small American town. That's Season 1.

Then it zooms out to show the area of the country that town is in. Season 2.

Then it zooms out to show ...... the earth, the Milky Way, etc., etc., fill in whatever end point you want.

The things that were important in the highly zoomed-in view (e.g., Walt) became less important as we zoomed out a bit. Then the important things from that view (e.g., Dharma) became less important as we zoomed out more. And so on.
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05-25-2010 , 10:11 AM
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I think one reason the finale left a bitter taste in a lot of people's mouth is because they created unreal expectations by horribly overrating the first couple seasons. LOST was never close to being the GOAT none of it's seasons standup to the great seasons of serialized TV drama. It is a good show and it had a good finale.
There's many a show better then Lost but I can't think of any on a major network.

I'm not sure I get the idea that the bomb caused "the incident". My understanding is drilling into the pocket caused the incident and the bomb ended the dharma initiative. This could be a big brain fart but isn't that why there's some random asian dude leading the others, as opposed to Ben? Seems everyone's ignoring the differences with the others when they say the bomb caused the incident and what happened, happened.
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