I've been noticing some false dichotomies:

-Just because Someone states something either wasn't explained at all or not well enough it doesn't mean that they want the answer spoon fed at them in the form of monologue.

-Why has been said multiple times that the writers could have either wrapped up character storylines or given answers to mysteries? I'm confused why both couldn't be done at the same time. No one has seemed to answer this. One easy way is to instead of introducing new elements that end up being meaningless and only serve to advance plot, utilize past elements or mysteries to advance that same plot and at the same time hey maybe show or tell a clue about said past mystery that people have been clamoring to know more about.

Thought: For me, one reason why this season was lacking and seemed anti-climatic was because there didn't seem to be much at stake for making sure the light stayed on and that the island didn't collapse or sink. Our only source for why this needs to happen is Jacobs over-protective fake mother, who is a murderer and liar, and therefore an unreliable source. And, if we do believe her, are only told that it would be bad to let this happen. To me that isn't really saying much. Is it bad as in the world would explode to bits? Is it bad as in the fires of hell would be let loose and the world would turn evil and lead to a hell on earth until everyone is dead? I hope I'm not being a nit, but it's equivalent to explaining that the villain in a movie is a bad man. Bad how? Rapist bad? Absentee father bad? The literal devil incarnate bad? It just seems like a way to make the stakes seem big when they never really are.

In defense of those attacking the sloppy writing: It may seem nit picky to those who find it character driven and not mystery driven to see people upset by not finding out things like why the foot only had four toes. I get your view, it probably isn't important in the grand scheme why it had four toes, whatever. But it is an accepted fact that people have five toes. It is out of the ordinary to see a four-toed foot. People gravitate their attention to things that are out of place and out of the ordinary. The writers know this. So when the script was written in which the foot was revealed it had to read, "we see 60-foot stone statue of a sandaled-four-toed foot." Now, the writer made a choice to include that description. But why? The foot could have easily had five toes and we'd be done with it. But it didn't. A calculated choice was made to have that foot be one toe short of normal so as to grab attention and indicate to the audience this is out of the ordinary and should be paid attention to. Now if the reason this decision was made was for no other reason than it would be freaky it shows very little respect for the audience and I believe that is what many are finally having confirmed.

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You do realize this is what makes the show good right? If I need good/evil dichotomies I can watch an episode of Superman.

If that's what you saw, this show isn't for you, that's not the writers fault.

MRRRR EEKKKKKKKKKOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thats all ive got

Plz don't put words in my mouth.

yo bro

lol this show was absolutely dominated by the good/evil split. they just kept tricking us by changing it so often. and in the end they changed it so much they devalued the five previous seasons.

some of the most interesting episodes were when ben was against jack and locke, and locke was against jack and it wasn't really clear who was good. then in the 6th season ben said "oops i was a real jerk! i am so repetent".

LOL...so are you justifying Ben's actions throughout the first 5 seasons as being actions he should not repent? I don't think there was any gray area between good/evil when it came to the vast majority of Ben's actions.

besides killing jacob, he did everything because he loved the island and was looking out for what he thought was its best interest and to an extension, jacob's.

what would silence of the lambs be if hannibal lector escapes from jail which he has wanted for years, and then in the last 5 minutes of the movie returns himself to his arch nemesis the petty and mediocre psycholgist and said "i turn myself in, i was wrong, please help me"

Look up the word dichotomy in a dictionary.

I hadn't followed any of the outside stuff interviews with the writers before this season other than the infamous "we have a plan" quote from years back. This season I decided to listen to a few and was absolutely shocked. They admitted that the show started by someone saying "hey, let's have a show about some people crashing on an island." Then they wrote ONE episode, and once it took off they went from there.

I blame myself for not following outside stuff more, I'm sure they admitted this way back, but I just focused on the one "plan" quote that made the show seem awesome. If I had known this from the start, I might not have watched it all, but if I had, I would never have been so invested in it. I just always assumed that to get a show like this on TV, that is a mystery sci-fi show that costs millions to make, you had to have a detailed story to tell that at least one person thought was awesome.

This show cost a ton of money to make, and made the writers and producers world-famous and filthy rich, so yes I did think that someone would actually take the time to write lots of material and come up with a very detailed plot that spanned multiple seasons even if there is no guarantee that their friends would like it, much less the executives of ABC. Even if it takes you writing on the side for years, isn't there a huge risk/reward payoff? Thought that was the kind of stuff that "struggling writers" were doing in Hollywood? And isn't that essentially what books are? People write books all the time that no one reads all the time.

To know that the show was just some dude saying "hey, let's make an island show" and some douchebag writers luckboxing there way into writing a pilot about an "island show" which everyone liked and then they just went from there is just another source of disillusionment for me. Not to get too personal, but when you are young, you think professionals are extremely competent, things are perfectly planned, there is a very good reason for why most thing are done the way they are, millions of dollars do NOT get spent on things that haven't been perfectly thought through, to get any show, much less one such as LOST, on a network like ABC you had to put in TONS of work w/ no guaranteed payoff, etc. Had easily learned that was not true in many other professions and aspects of life, obviously the same applies to TV networks. Guess alot of this ties in with some of the major messages LOST was trying to convey, so good job, mission accomplished.

Funny quote from another site:

I can't find the post with the link to the recent Times Talk interview with the producers, it's pretty long but worth watching if you want to hear them talk about the show almost to the finale.

They talked about disappointing fans, not answering all the questions etc. Some of this I found dismissive, but to some extent they did try and minimise the importance of some of the mysteries and try and ask the viewers not to get so caught up in those details. They also admitted to the padding of storylines (stocking up the fridge, as they called it) in the middle when they didn't know how long they would need to write episodes.

One part I liked: I hated the scene where Widmore (Widamore!) said that Jacob had gone to see him and shown him the error in his ways. I think a lot of viewers felt cheated that they had not seen it and it was a lame storytelling. But then the producers said that if you see something happen in the show, it really happened. But if you don't see it, it may or may not have happened. iow, Widmore being untrustworthy probably made it up.


Maybe someone can relink it?

I posted this before, but I thought it was neat enough to post again:

The dialog for S06 E01 started after the turbulence subsided and Jack is still gripping onto the seat. Rose says to Jack:

"You can let go now. It's Ok, you can let go."

Given how this flash sideways ended, I really liked that line.

It sounds dumb on the surface, but seriously just do this. Make a 6-8 episode miniseries with Hurley/Ben and a few other Losties who can't get work acting in movies or whatever.

Have it be continual flashbacks and stuff with Jacob explaining things to Hurley in the past, or Ben/Widmore explanation, etc. Tell the writers to hire a bunch of these insanely smart Lost junkies to help them put it all together and make it happen.

The ratings would be higher than most of the Lost episodes ever. Even though the casual Lost fan wouldn't have a clue for a ton of the stuff happening, the junkies would be salivating.

One problem that I still don't really get is the beach scene conversation between Jacob and MiB.

That dialogue quoted is preceded with

"Still trying to prove me wrong Jacob"
"You are wrong"

I just don't get what this was really supposed to mean, given that all MiB cared about was killing Jacob to get off the island.

Arrested Development

holy god that was amazing. I mean, I can think of a bunch of things I wanted answered, but after watching that, it almost seems LOL how much was left unanswered.

That part of the scene wasnt about MiB, it was about Jacob finding a replacement.

From Ab Aeterno explaining that part of the dialogue.

Except that half those questions are completely and totally irrelevant. "Who was Libby's previous husband who gave her a boat to give to Desmond?"

Really?

Here is my list of "Lapses of Logic". I don't believe these were actually addressed on the show, nor can they be readily explained according to what we already know about the lost universe, or maybe they can and I am dumb and you can help me be smart?

1.) Why did Christian Appear to Michael on the Freighter right before it blew up? Was this Smokey? How the eff did he get on the freighter without anyone noticing, if he can't smoke it up over water? I am almost certain it was an apparition, albeit, one that makes very little sense. I really think this is a pretty significant hole, and possibly indicative of them not fully having the Smokey/Jacob rules fully fleshed out at the time.

2.) Why does Sun blame Ben for Jin's supposed death on the Freighter? Even though it was literally his fault, because he killed Keamy, she doesn't know this, right? Regardless, shouldn't she be blaming Widmore? I might just be forgetting something, here.

Edit: Ok, this one is just because she is irrational and thinks that it's Ben's fault for being hunted, instead of the man who is hunting him. Silly women.

3.) Why was Nadia killed? This one pisses me off. I have asked this question multiple times in threads and to other lost fans, and I have never been given a sufficient answer. It would have made much more sense that Ben would have her killed so he could manipulate Sayid in to working for him, but Darlton went on record saying that it was Widmore's man. I suppose the only rational explanation is that without that massive hole in Sayid's heart, he would not be vacant enough to shoot a twelve year old in the chest when he goes back in time? Idk, I am almost certain this was simply for dramatic effect.

Frankly, for what is supposed to be a very calculated, cunning, Machiavellian man, most of Widmore's motivations are rather vague, and I think he was by far the worst handled character on the show.

4.) Why didn't the others/richard time travel during the flashes? I don't think Jacob's powers extend to controlling time travel, but maybe? This always bothered me, along with why Sun didn't travel back in time when they came back on the Ajira flight... but I am pretty sure that actually is explained and answers the riddle of which Kwon was the candidate... wait a minute... is the answer to both questions, "Only candidates can time travel?" It's got to be right? Otherwise, again, it was simply for melodramatic reasons so we can get a whole lot of "haz you seen my husband?".

I think I just solved that riddle... someone disprove me?

Edit: Evidently, someone else already figured this out: http://www.docarzt.com/lost/lost-new...nd-projection/

http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/inde...ult_type=posts

link to the poster from Iconoclastic's post. He's consistent about working in the industry at least. Don't think he's a writer though. And his spelling is pretty bad in other posts.

Just an irrelevant side note; Writers are notorious for being terrible spellers. They lean and depend highly on an editor.
Their job is to get the creative thoughts down and let the editor worry about the nit picky grammar and spelling, that you all on this board love thinking is important.

The Losties were always destined to be on that plane together. This is just the manipulation to get Claire there.

Bingo. First thing I thought of too.