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05-24-2010 , 01:41 PM
my collegue is still on season 4 and she watched the episode where Jin is going into the hospital with a teddy bear.. what is that scene all about after we finished the finale? Jin was never rescued in season 4 so why is he going to the hospital? does anyone know?
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05-24-2010 , 01:42 PM
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my collegue is still on season 4 and she watched the episode where Jin is going into the hospital with a teddy bear.. what is that scene all about after we finished the finale? Jin was never rescued in season 4 so why is he going to the hospital? does anyone know?
He was delivering it for his boss or something in a flashback.
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05-24-2010 , 01:43 PM
This show was every bit as great as any show that I've watched. In terms of ambition, in terms of executing that ambition, it was great.

On the other hand, the actual dialogue was not top tier, the acting was mediocre (especially from some people, I'm looking at you, Kate), and it wasn't as close to as tight as the Sopranos and the Wire. On the other hand, they actually ended it, and for a show with Lost's ambition and narrative, that is very, very impressive.

But yeah, S6 was kind of a letdown. (not as big a letdown as S5 of the Wire, but pretty big).
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05-24-2010 , 01:45 PM
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I think one reason the finale left a bitter taste in a lot of people's mouth is because they created unreal expectations by horribly overrating the first couple seasons. LOST was never close to being the GOAT none of it's seasons standup to the great seasons of serialized TV drama. It is a good show and it had a good finale.
What I loved about the first seasons wasn't so much the quality of the show- it was just all the OMG LOST moments. A huge part of that was the mystery and depth they created. You had all these questions that you could run and talk about with your friends. All these easter eggs that were so interesting to find an analyze. The show's success wasn't really the quality of the acting/directing/whatever, it was how it engaged the audience and involved them in the mystery.

That's why the ending seems so unsatisfactory. They just really lost that element of the show, and gave us answers and an ending that had little to do with all the clues that had been left for us along the way.

The moment with Charlie and Desmond this season brought me back to OMG LOST, and then they really failed to deliver on that when Desmond's grand awakening/plan is just "this isn't real, we're all dead, but we're happy and we need to move on to... whatever we get cast in next?"

Not to get to fan fiction-y, but I have to think that we'd almost all agree that some moment where everybody in the sideways-verse realizes that it isn't real and they don't belong, and somehow use it to save the day (my thought was that Jack murders Smokey on the operating table and that's the loophole he can use to hurt him) would have been a lot more interesting than some feel good heaven-y, mostly meaningless epilogue.
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05-24-2010 , 01:45 PM
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He was delivering it for his boss or something in a flashback.
this was not a flash back.. this was when Sun was delivering a baby in the hospital.. why was he there at the same time she was when he was actually on the island?
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05-24-2010 , 01:46 PM
the lost fanboys who say things like "you didnt get what the show is about" or "you just dont understand" are ridiculous.

really?
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05-24-2010 , 01:54 PM
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What I loved about the first seasons wasn't so much the quality of the show- it was just all the OMG LOST moments. A huge part of that was the mystery and depth they created. You had all these questions that you could run and talk about with your friends. All these easter eggs that were so interesting to find an analyze. The show's success wasn't really the quality of the acting/directing/whatever, it was how it engaged the audience and involved them in the mystery.

That's why the ending seems so unsatisfactory. They just really lost that element of the show, and gave us answers and an ending that had little to do with all the clues that had been left for us along the way.

The moment with Charlie and Desmond this season brought me back to OMG LOST, and then they really failed to deliver on that when Desmond's grand awakening/plan is just "this isn't real, we're all dead, but we're happy and we need to move on to... whatever we get cast in next?"

Not to get to fan fiction-y, but I have to think that we'd almost all agree that some moment where everybody in the sideways-verse realizes that it isn't real and they don't belong, and somehow use it to save the day (my thought was that Jack murders Smokey on the operating table and that's the loophole he can use to hurt him) would have been a lot more interesting than some feel good heaven-y, mostly meaningless epilogue.
I agree with this, however I also think that is somewhat the nature of the mystery they created. Generally the answers aren't as interesting as people expect and at some point it becomes difficult to create OMG LOST moments.
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05-24-2010 , 01:55 PM
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this was not a flash back.. this was when Sun was delivering a baby in the hospital.. why was he there at the same time she was when he was actually on the island?
No, it was a flashback. They used misdirection by making it appear Sun in the hospital and Jin in the hospital were both the same time, but Jin was in a flashback while Sun was in after-island time.
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05-24-2010 , 01:56 PM
also the "Alternate Endings" fiasco is so apropros, the last "**** you" to all fans they could muster up

*not sure who "they" is
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05-24-2010 , 02:01 PM
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also the "Alternate Endings" fiasco is so apropros, the last "**** you" to all fans they could muster up

*not sure who "they" is
this actually did annoy me

i mean, they were a little funny, but **** you for making us stay up to watch "alternate endings"
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05-24-2010 , 02:07 PM
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this was not a flash back.. this was when Sun was delivering a baby in the hospital.. why was he there at the same time she was when he was actually on the island?
you're confused - Sun was delivering the baby in a flash forward - Jin was in a flash back
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05-24-2010 , 02:09 PM
semi grunch but the cork on the wine jug analogy/cork to get the light back was pretty sweet.

i loved the ending. it let me walk away feeling totally satisfied but still wondering if i actually understand (which obviously no one truly does). the finale plus the last 3 of 4 episodes also made me really feel like the writers did in fact know the whole story from the start which is something i constantly doubted.
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05-24-2010 , 02:11 PM
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this actually did annoy me

i mean, they were a little funny, but **** you for making us stay up to watch "alternate endings"
Closer to a big **** you to anyone who didn't take half a second to think hey they're being aired on Jimmy Kimmel, probably not going to be too serious.
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05-24-2010 , 02:12 PM
I liked the finale for what I expected. After season 6 had been mainly a dissapointment, I didn't expect much though. Basically there were only two REALLY great epsioedes this season, "Ab Aeterno" and "Happily Everafter".

What's the point of introduciung a character like Dogen in the final season and giving him a "I'm super important and know a lot of ****" aura, if after a few episodes it turns out he's just another redshirt.

Yeah, LOST is about the characters, and I liked following their arcs, but If I were to say that LOST is ALL about and ONLY about the characters then I can go and watch any random soap opera. I can live with not knowing where the food drops came from, or whether or not the "Hurleybird" actually screamed his name, but leaving the core misteries unresolved is pretty much inexcusable in itself. However trading the resolution of these mysteries for an imaginary afterlife/purgatory kinda whatever thingy is just beyond LOL. "They ran out of time", hahaha wat?? They had plenty of time to resolve the interesting character arcs AND the core mysteries during season six, yet they used up said time telling a story about an imaginary Omer owing money to an imaginary Keamy (among other things).

With all that said I went into the finale without any expectations, which made it enjoyable.
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05-24-2010 , 02:14 PM
I don't know where this show is going to be remembered. Certainly not as well as The Wire, The Sopranos, or Mad Men, perhaps.

But this show definitely had vision. They took creative risks with the show, and by and large, I feel every major storytelling risk they took with the show worked, even if they didn't die everything up, correctly.

And the End was a great episode. Maybe we needed something more earlier this season, maybe we needed other answers, but there were a bunch of great moments:
Hurley/Ben
Hurley/Jack
Jack/Locke
Locke/Ben
Jack dying.
Smokey dying.

I could name more. I mean, good ep. Great show. I don't know if the show is good, but it certainly was great.
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05-24-2010 , 02:17 PM
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Closer to a big **** you to anyone who didn't take half a second to think hey they're being aired on Jimmy Kimmel, probably not going to be too serious.
meh, they have done serious alternate endings before (who is in the casket) and this was the official post show party, so yeah a reasonable assumption is that there werent just ****ing with us the whole time

then again it is Lost, so it shouldnt have been a surprise
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05-24-2010 , 02:18 PM
Do people really believe all the characters went to heaven at the end?

Half the characters killed and tortured others! Many, many times! We’re supposed to believe the only one not worthy of heaven is Linus? What the ****!? There was killing, torture, cons, beatings, stealing, kidnapping, forced imprisonment, cruelty, etc. etc. Are you ****ing kidding me they all go to heaven or some kind of blissful afterlife?

What a ****ing joke


Let's all smile about everything... hey remember the 11 times I beat Linus in the head? Oh hey, remember all those people I killed because I didn't know what was going on with "the others"... Remember those dharma guys I shot? ah **** it all anyways, I'm going to heaven because I'm a Christian!
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05-24-2010 , 02:21 PM
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Also GOAT finale is clearly The Shield.
Yessssssss, the shield finale was ****ing amazing.
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05-24-2010 , 02:21 PM
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also the "Alternate Endings" fiasco is so apropros, the last "**** you" to all fans they could muster up

*not sure who "they" is
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
this actually did annoy me

i mean, they were a little funny, but **** you for making us stay up to watch "alternate endings"
Not sure if you are "aired TV" only types, but in any and all interviews about the finale, there was 1 and only 1 ending. The Kimmel stuff was always meant to be a parody. It was an extention of the therapy sessions for the cast, the fake blooper reels, more hype and pump from a fellow network show who has a history of straight in your face product placement and marketing.

No one made you watch, you chose to.
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05-24-2010 , 02:21 PM
the flash sideways really ends up being a letdown(to me at least) for the simple fact that when desmond has his initial "awakening" with charlie, the viewer is deliberately made to believe that the flash sideways is going to have a direct impact on the "real world."

desmond is also implied to be fully aware of the flash sideways when he is explaining in detail to jack where he will go once he extinguishes the light, which opens another can of worms as to what exactly is desmond? he can time travel with his mind, survive electro-magnetic catastrophes, AND travel between planes of existence? too me desmond becomes the biggest mystery of the entire series, with the possible exception of the island itself...but back to the original point, the writers spent the entire season implying this really interesting and thought provoking connection(an "OMG LOST" signature moment as Dids said) between the 2 timelines, and made it seem that the ALT would contain THE ANSWER to solving the actual reality problem, only to reveal in 5 mins that oops you died.

not to mention the reveal that indeed the story was really always about the characters and that was the most important time they ever spent on earth...but yet we had an entire ep dedicated to Richard's origin which was well done, but quite a snooze-fest for me considering all the possibilities there seemed to be 2-3 yrs ago...
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05-24-2010 , 02:22 PM
it's a bit ironic that the "it's not purgatory!!!" defense from early on from the writers ended up being the major storytelling device of the final season, and the resolution for all our characters. sigh.
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05-24-2010 , 02:22 PM
I didnt know if this would have been better or worse, but at the very end when jack lies down in the bamboo and the dog comes running up, I thought it was all starting over again. Woulda been kinda cool I think
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05-24-2010 , 02:23 PM
A few logistical questions:

How do you guys think Jacob found the candidates? The mirror in the lighthouse?

Did Jack have this or similar powers at any point during his very very limited time in charge? Did Hurley?

How did Jacob leave the island? Was this a 'magic' thing or like, him literally taking a boat?
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05-24-2010 , 02:23 PM
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Do people really believe all the characters went to heaven at the end?

Half the characters killed and tortured others! Many, many times! We’re supposed to believe the only one not worthy of heaven is Linus? What the ****!? There was killing, torture, cons, beatings, stealing, kidnapping, forced imprisonment, cruelty, etc. etc. Are you ****ing kidding me they all go to heaven or some kind of blissful afterlife?

What a ****ing joke


Let's all smile about everything... hey remember the 11 times I beat Linus in the head? Oh hey, remember all those people I killed because I didn't know what was going on with "the others"... Remember those dharma guys I shot? ah **** it all anyways, I'm going to heaven because I'm a Christian!

Hah - not sure where you're getting "christian" as that clearly is not where their ideas came from...

In Lost world - I guess it would appear that people can find redemption - even if they've committed horrible atrocities..

Apparently that's not allowed in the land where they worship NuklearWinter
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05-24-2010 , 02:23 PM
Also wtf did Widmore say to Flocke
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