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05-24-2010 , 10:36 AM
Yep. She was sittin there w/ Hurley's big ol' meat hook around her.
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05-24-2010 , 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Loss Tee
i may be wrong - but my memory tells me that Libby was in the church at the end.
OK, I just had an image of Hurley just hanging out by himself
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05-24-2010 , 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Jaysick88
I though it was interesting that the room where Jack met his Dad in contained items from all(?) the major religions of the world.

Goes along with the faith in general theme I guess.
I agree, they even had some mundane representations for those who believe the world just is what it is. This was the perfect ending for me... as someone who believes that the afterlife exists outside time and space... and that we all come here to help each other remember.... but especially for the atheists I could see how this could be a letdown... if you believe when you die, that's it, there is no more... Anyway... just my $.02 Loved it, can't wait for the DVD when they said they'll have more island answers that they weren't able to fit in.
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05-24-2010 , 10:50 AM
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I agree, they even had some mundane representations for those who believe the world just is what it is. This was the perfect ending for me... as someone who believes that the afterlife exists outside time and space... and that we all come here to help each other remember.... but especially for the atheists I could see how this could be a letdown... if you believe when you die, that's it, there is no more... Anyway... just my $.02 Loved it, can't wait for the DVD when they said they'll have more island answers that they weren't able to fit in.
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05-24-2010 , 10:52 AM
Did Jack become a man of faith, or did he form beliefs and conclusions based on the evidence that was presented to him?
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05-24-2010 , 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Tater10
My interpretation of what happened in LOST:

Jacob needs a replacement. He touches the lives of many people to be candidates. Those candidates are set up to be on oceanic 815 and crash and die. They are then sent to purgatory, which is an actual island, you can visit it in real life, although almost impossible to find. The 'oceanic 6' actually come back from the dead. This is the power that Charles Whidmore wants to harness and understand.

The flash sideways was the alternate reality if 815 didn't crash.
If you actually believe this, you're saying that the writer's were blatantly lying when they laid out what was going on, and you've pulled a random theory out of your ass, apparently for no reason.
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05-24-2010 , 10:52 AM
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By contrast, people don't read The Lord of The Rings and ask "****ing Gandalf, how does he work?"
No, but then the way in which Gandalf works was never set up as an important mystery to be answered. He was introduced as "Here's Gandalf, he's a wizard, expect him to do magical stuff". (By the way, as you may already know, the answers as to what Gandalf is and how he came to be on Middle-Earth etc can be found in Tolkien's other writings. Again, Tolkien's lack of explanation of Gandalf in LOTR wasn't contempt for the whole idea of an explanation).

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Picking other examples of big unanswered questions (e.g. Ben vs. Widmore and their rules, how people keep finding an island that is almost impossible to leave, etc.) is fair, in the sense that the show threw these questions up and then ultimately discarded them as tangential. As I alluded earlier, I think the permanent aura of mystery is what gave the show much of its charm, and so I think a lot of that ended up being just atmospherics. Complaining about misdirections (which connotes a degree of intentionality to it that they may not have had) is certainly reasonable.
Again, it's a matter of the emphasis placed on these questions by the writers. If you introduce something like The Numbers, play up their importance, then at the end go "Oh those? Those didn't matter" then that's the sort of misdirection that's just being a jerk to your audience.

I find it interesting that you seem to be OK with the idea that the writers had no idea where the show was going. Or to be exact, that's not the problem for me. The problem is that they introduced plot elements when they had no idea where they were taking them. It was just "Hey you know what would be weird, is if they encountered a polar bear on the island. Yeah, let's do that!" with no idea of why a polar bear would be on the island. To me that's instantly a show not worth watching. It has contempt for its audience.
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05-24-2010 , 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by ZBTHorton
If you re-watch Christian's speech at the end he makes it pretty clear that what happened on the Island actually happened.
Anyone got a link for this? I've tried, but my YouTube search skills must be lacking today....
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05-24-2010 , 11:02 AM
Any thoughts on claire's son aaron? If they are in purgatory how can a new life be born? He was also in the church at the end
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05-24-2010 , 11:03 AM
For a show that people liked so much because it treated them like adults and allowed them to think, there sure are a lot of people bitching about not having everything explained to them in full detail.
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05-24-2010 , 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by thecaldwellco.kid
Any thoughts on claire's son aaron? If they are in purgatory how can a new life be born? He was also in the church at the end
I think purgatory is like the Matrix, anything can happen there, it's just that none of it actually happens
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05-24-2010 , 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by mmbt0ne
For a show that people liked so much because it treated them like adults and allowed them to think, there sure are a lot of people bitching about not having everything explained to them in full detail.
no, it's that we went from being treated as adults to being treated as children - the writers telling us that all the stuff that mattered doesn't matter and we should just accept this.

I mean, The Rules, something that played a mjor importance throughout the series. would you say these were explained to us:

- not at all
- in some detail, we can make intelligent guesses, we are adults!
- fully

people aren't angry b/c they didn't get answers, per se. they are angry b/c the writers told us stuff was important, then told us "nah nevermind"

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05-24-2010 , 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by RacersEdge
You want answers! We got answers! And they can be yours for $59.95!
If you insist on taking it that way... feel free. They'll be available for free on the internet anyway... it's not like you won't get to see em unless you actually buy it... I just meant for those like me who are going to buy it anyway it's a nice bonus.
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05-24-2010 , 11:09 AM
How long into the flight did it take before Kate forgot about Jack and was boning Sawyer?
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05-24-2010 , 11:11 AM
How long before some sick soul re-cuts all the episodes to make the series a sensible narrative?
Sort of like the re-cut of Star Wars Ep I that removed jar-jar binks?

They could probably cut it down to 80 episodes.

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Enjoyed the episode.
Wrapped the series up enough if you just didn't think too hard.
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05-24-2010 , 11:15 AM
Gandalf isn't really a great example, as Tolkien actually does go into a ton of explanation about who he is and what he comes from. LOTR has the Similarion. If Lost had something like that- I think all the OMG ANSWERS~! people would be happy.

What I find frustrating isn't that we didn't get answers, it's that the answers themselves were so unimportant.
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05-24-2010 , 11:16 AM
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You said "what could it possibly look like"? There could be a resource on the island that Dharma was manipulating to create these advanced technologies, whatever. I mean one would expect Dharma to play a big role in the series instead of just being dropped from the picture. This would have been far more interesting ainec. You could explain a lot by going down this path.
In the grand scheme of things, Dharma was just another group of people on the island, that were eventually wiped out. Like MiB's "people", whatever egyptian like people that built the statue and temple, the US soldiers with the nuke, etc.
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05-24-2010 , 11:17 AM
the only problem im having is the bomb in 77 and what happened after that. did that not happen?
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05-24-2010 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Zurvan
If you actually believe this, you're saying that the writer's were blatantly lying when they laid out what was going on, and you've pulled a random theory out of your ass, apparently for no reason.
Sorry, I should have stated that I only watched the shows (every one of them), and never listened to off-show commentary.

Just an interpretation from someone who only watched the episodes, not pour through blogs trying to gather information.
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05-24-2010 , 11:20 AM
So do the writers actually have a detailed explanation of what that ending meant in their heads? I honestly believe the answer is no.
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05-24-2010 , 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
the only problem im having is the bomb in 77 and what happened after that. did that not happen?
apparently whatever happened on the island, happened. the island saved some people from The Incident I guess

the Island is underwater in purgatory b/c...of the Incident as well, I guess
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05-24-2010 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by wholecut
apparently whatever happened on the island, happened. the island saved some people from The Incident I guess

the Island is underwater in purgatory b/c...of the Incident as well, I guess
but if the bomb happened, then flight 815 never happened kind of sort of ......

time travel is a bitch
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05-24-2010 , 11:23 AM
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So do the writers actually have a detailed explanation of what that ending meant in their heads? I honestly believe the answer is no.
I would assume the explanation they have is the one they voiced through Christian Sheppard.

He didn't really leave a lot of ambiguity as to what was going on.
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05-24-2010 , 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
It was just "Hey you know what would be weird, is if they encountered a polar bear on the island. Yeah, let's do that!" with no idea of why a polar bear would be on the island. To me that's instantly a show not worth watching. It has contempt for its audience.
I hated the final episode but the show is certainly worth watching. It certainly didn't ruin the first few seasons for me and I would even go so far to say I'm still fine with the whole show up to and including Desmond's episode this season.
My biggest problem with the final though is that it does kill any idea of watching the series again. It was a fun ride in the moment but the last episode just sets off a nuclear bomb of plot holes and no point in rewatching to get a sharper view of mysteries that clearly go no place and had really no intention of going any place to start with.
The final used every cliche to tug on your heart strings in the book and then
some, when that wears off though its not a pretty picture what is left of the story. I mean how can you watch even desmonds episode again with Faraday
figuring out maybe he set off a nuclear bomb without viewing it as complete nonsense now.
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05-24-2010 , 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by LoosenUp
sorry it was too complex of a show for you to understand and use your imagination with.

Terrible mindless sitcoms would be better suited for you.
Mindless shows that know they are mindless are better than mindless shows that pretend to be smart and meaningful when they are just soap operas.
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