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05-24-2010 , 02:58 AM
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Originally Posted by frosty012
yeah but how else can you explain smoke monsters and all the other sci fi stuff? you can't, so if you accept that the island was purgatory, it all makes perfect sense.
You explain it by saying that this was a Sci-Fi show.

If you re-watch Christian's speech at the end he makes it pretty clear that what happened on the Island actually happened.
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05-24-2010 , 02:58 AM
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Originally Posted by TheUntouchable
Well if my theory that it was Jack's purgatory and not purgatory in general holds any water, this would help support it. Jack would have no idea who the **** Nadia is. She wouldn't be a part of Jack's heaven.
I can buy the Jack's purg theory, but then I have to agree that he really bonded with Penny during their one day boat tour...

I'll just admit to having hated Shannon since day 1. I thought her "redemption" arc was complete bs. Being an entitled bitch with a tough family life still makes you an entitled bitch in my book.
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05-24-2010 , 02:58 AM
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Originally Posted by ZBTHorton
Except that a huge majority of people don't think the Island was purgatory.
I have no clue what the island was but I don't think it was "reality" either. Whatever that means. It wasn't some place on Earth I guess is what I'm saying. Don't know if it was another level or purgatory or not, prob not. I'd like to hear some theories on the island.
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05-24-2010 , 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted by pokertugft
Hey everybody. I figured out Lost. I can't answer any of the mysteries of the island. But as I laughed my way through the last ten minutes, realizing how much time I wasted watching this show, it was like I had my own awakening.

There never were any answers. All this show had going for it was the mystery. Nobody ever gave a **** about the characters. What generated interest were the numbers, the button, the Others, Walt, the Dharma Initiative, etc.

The writers, as is the case with any network show, were only interested in keeping their ratings up and getting paid in dump trucks full of cash. There was no good story here and the only concept they had was "magical island where crazy things happen to emotionally damaged people". It was mystery after mystery to keep you hooked and their ratings high.

They won. We watched until the very end. We were duped and bamboozled from the beginning with the "we have a plan" speech. I will list their plan below.

1. Make a mystery, get people to watch.
2. Make more mysteries, get people to talk about it.
3. Answer unimportant mystery, or answer important mystery by saying it's magic.
4. Make mysteries.
5. Make mysteries.
6. Make mysteries.
7. See step three.
8. Make mysteries.
9. ????????????? (This was literally written on the white board in the writer's room).
10. Get rich off of tricking people into watching our ****box of a show.
lol +10**6
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05-24-2010 , 03:00 AM
Can we get a vote, if you could turn back the hands of time knowing what u know now, would u watch Lost?


I realised midway through the last season that we weren't gonna get any explanations, but had invested so much time that I had to see how it ended.
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05-24-2010 , 03:01 AM
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Originally Posted by ZBTHorton
Could be something super simple like Nadya not wanting to do the show, or contract issues, or she's not acting, or dead, or something random.
You forgot "hates Hawaii" like Mr. Eko.

Carlton Cuse has repeatedly stated how they had huge future plans for Mr. Eko before the actor (i'm spacing his name) decided Hawaii wasn't baller enough for him and told them to write him out.

Not trying to go all Dan Dierdorf on you but I'm not sure that wasn't the biggest mistake in the history of actors making mistakes.
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05-24-2010 , 03:01 AM
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Originally Posted by ZBTHorton
My issue with it being Jacks purgatory still remains that everyone was having the realizations and not just Jack. Seems to be if it was just Jack's purgatory, we'd see all of the characters all working towards getting Jack to realize. Instead we see them all aimlessly walking around except Desmond.

Yeah that's a legit issue with that theory for sure. There's bigger issues with it being purgatory in general though. Christian told Jack that his time with these people was the most important part of his life. That to me meant that this is Jack's heaven. The island was a pretty small part of Boone and others lives, so why would they be there? Wouldn't their heaven be their family or something else more important? Given that they directly told us that this is the story of Jack (with the eye opening at the beginning and closing at the end), I think both purgatory theories are still possibilities.
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05-24-2010 , 03:02 AM
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Originally Posted by loosekanen
You forgot "hates Hawaii" like Mr. Eko.

Carlton Cuse has repeatedly stated how they had huge future plans for Mr. Eko before the actor (i'm spacing his name) decided Hawaii wasn't baller enough for him and told them to write him out.

Not trying to go all Dan Dierdorf on you but I'm not sure that wasn't the biggest mistake in the history of actors making mistakes.
Right, and this goes into my arguments with Kos earlier in the thread.

We just don't always know all of the information. Sometimes characters don't workout as they think they are going to. I mean, Ben was supposed to be in 3 episodes when he was first brought on.
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05-24-2010 , 03:02 AM
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Originally Posted by the_snail03
Can we get a vote, if you could turn back the hands of time knowing what u know now, would u watch Lost?


I realised midway through the last season that we weren't gonna get any explanations, but had invested so much time that I had to see how it ended.
Yeah, and then I'd do it again and again. Very few times in my life have I been as entertained as I was through the first few seasons of this show. I envy those who haven't watched yet and plan to.
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05-24-2010 , 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by vixticator
I have no clue what the island was but I don't think it was "reality" either. Whatever that means. It wasn't some place on Earth I guess is what I'm saying. Don't know if it was another level or purgatory or not, prob not. I'd like to hear some theories on the island.
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AP English answer: The island was a symbol of test and conquest for those who are alone to learn to survive relying on others. Jacob/MiB's tale is a metaphor for the black/white that exists in the character's conflict and serves as weight for the idea that the island is said symbol and must therefore be protected for the good of those it serves. That lends weight to the fulfillment of Jack's story and to a lesser extent, Hugo and Ben's.

Re Juliet "it worked": She flashes to the point and sees that detonating the bomb eventually leads to an end where those who were left did what they had to do so that they could be reunited later, more specifically how she and Sawyer could live the life they had wanted in a place that wasn't a lie.


I have officially become that kid I hated in English class that said **** like this and got an A. Mrs Peters would be proud of me, but I feel like I'm dying a bit inside.
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05-24-2010 , 03:03 AM
Given the amount of money this show has made ABC and how dedicated the fans have been, I don't think it's realistic to think that any actor was unattainable for the finale.
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05-24-2010 , 03:04 AM
There's just no way that "jack's purgatory". The whole ****ing point of what Christian said was that it was something created by their shared experience imo.

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I'm not sure that wasn't the biggest mistake in the history of actors making mistakes.
Being a player on a network TV show, even Lost, is probably not as important as being happy.
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05-24-2010 , 03:04 AM
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Originally Posted by the_snail03
Can we get a vote, if you could turn back the hands of time knowing what u know now, would u watch Lost?


I realised midway through the last season that we weren't gonna get any explanations, but had invested so much time that I had to see how it ended.
Lost is very firmly planted in my top 3 shows of all time with The Sopranos and The Wire. It probably finished 3rd, but I think it was a very well executed show, even if I don't think they played all of their cards totally optimally.
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05-24-2010 , 03:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Dids
There's just no way that "jack's purgatory". The whole ****ing point of what Christian said was that it was something created by their shared experience imo.



Being a player on a network TV show, even Lost, is probably not as important as being happy.
I equate money to happiness. I realize most people think there is more but personally I don't.
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05-24-2010 , 03:06 AM
Another amusing note.

The recap show made no mention whatsoever of the tailies or the Temple. Amusing meta judgments on the quality of those plots.

It also did nothing to dissuade me from the notion that the producers are smug douchebag liars.
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05-24-2010 , 03:06 AM
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Originally Posted by ZBTHorton
You explain it by saying that this was a Sci-Fi show.

If you re-watch Christian's speech at the end he makes it pretty clear that what happened on the Island actually happened.
that's a good point, and i wouldn't be surprised at all if the writers made it debatable/vague because although they obviously couldn't rationalize everything that happened in a way that made sense, at the same time didn't want to disappoint fans by saying it was purgatory (or in other words, a DREAM).

so instead they don't really make it clear one way or the other, since if it was real they can't explain or rationalize the events on the island but if it was a purgatory state then they could have made that much more clear very easily.
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05-24-2010 , 03:07 AM
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Lost is very firmly planted in my top 3 shows of all time with The Sopranos and The Wire. It probably finished 3rd, but I think it was a very well executed show, even if I don't think they played all of their cards totally optimally.
The thing about The Wire finale that can't be understated is how it completed the one giant arc being that there is and always will be "that side" of life.

That show (The Wire) was so consistently brilliant that it was easy to downplay the finale as just another ep. But when you're just another ep of the greatest serial drama ever...

(JMO you nits)
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05-24-2010 , 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by gintron
These writers suck. In the first few seasons it looked like they had some sort of plan/direction. Then at some point they realized they had way too much crap going on and they just started throwing on band-aid explanations or just not even bothering to explain at all core parts of the show that they had been playing up for multiple seasons. Then coming into the last season they realized it would be way to difficult to try to tie everything back together and its so much easier just to make up some more bull**** and do nothing to bring actual closure to anything.

I will say tho that the first few seasons were A+ they just got severely sidetracked somewhere along the way.
IMO it was because the top dog behind the show changed after season 1. Clearly the controllers changed their minds a few times about what was going on.

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Why is it that every single person who considers Lost a character-driven story looks down their noses at people who liked the actual story more?
Because this forum is 95% male. Guys are more interested in a logical explanation of the story while women get excited more by the character relationships. To stereotype a bit, my sis only wanted to know who Kate was kissing that week.
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05-24-2010 , 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Wikipedia

Christianity has taught "Heaven" as a place of eternal life, in that it is a shared plane to be attained by all the elect (rather than an abstract experience related to individual concepts of the ideal).
This does support that they were all dead when they're ready to move on. It still had to be years after Jack died on the island though. Now if purgatory has no time it's one thing, but where was everyone while they were waiting for Kate, Hurley, Desmond, etc; to die in real life?
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05-24-2010 , 03:08 AM
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Originally Posted by the_snail03
Can we get a vote, if you could turn back the hands of time knowing what u know now, would u watch Lost?


I realised midway through the last season that we weren't gonna get any explanations, but had invested so much time that I had to see how it ended.
I remember me and my friends used to talk about how much we would pay or do to have our minds erased just to be able to watch lost all over again.

That was back around season 4. I am one of the ones pretty dissappointed with the finale but I like someone else said envy the people who have never watched the show before and plan to watch it from the beginning.
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05-24-2010 , 03:08 AM
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Originally Posted by frosty012
that's a good point, and i wouldn't be surprised at all if the writers made it debatable/vague because although they obviously couldn't rationalize everything that happened in a way that made sense but at the same time didn't want to disappoint fans by saying it was purgatory (or in other words, a DREAM).

so instead they don't really make it clear one way or the other, since if it was real they can't explain or rationalize the events on the island but if it was a purgatory state then they could have made that much more clear very easily.
I'm 100% sure they made the ending kind of vague. I think that's also the reason you probably won't see a book of details like so many of us want...

Unless the producers go broke about 10 years from now or something.
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05-24-2010 , 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted by loosekanen
The thing about The Wire finale that can't be understated is how it completed the one giant arc being that there is and always will be "that side" of life.

That show (The Wire) was so consistently brilliant that it was easy to downplay the finale as just another ep. But when you're just another ep of the greatest serial drama ever...

(JMO you nits)
I almost wrote this word for word earlier when I was talking about how I thought this was some of the best TV I've ever watched.

The Wire has a tough time ever having one episode that sticks out, because every episode was so ridiculously awesome.
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05-24-2010 , 03:11 AM
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Can we get a vote, if you could turn back the hands of time knowing what u know now, would u watch Lost?


I realised midway through the last season that we weren't gonna get any explanations, but had invested so much time that I had to see how it ended.
Sure. I didn't like the last few seasons much either but I don't believe it takes away from the earlier episodes. It makes the series taken as a whole to be worse in terms of where I'd rank it. I have no intention on rewatching the series, or if I did I would definitely stop at some point. I have been tuning in for a while just to see it end tbh. If they didn't have a fixed end point I think I would have stopped watching it earlier but I'm not bitter about it or anything. It was really good for at least 3.5 seasons and that's more than most shows can say.
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05-24-2010 , 03:12 AM
Really, really, really like the finale and I am totally satisfied with the series as a whole. My favorite TV series by a pretty big margin.

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05-24-2010 , 03:12 AM
Halfway thru season 2 - Halfway thru season 3 was a bit rough with a few exceptions. Otherwise I was constantly jaw-dropping about something in this show. I loved it immensely and would absolutely pay a month's salary to wipe it from my mind and go about watching it again.
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