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05-24-2010 , 02:18 AM
I'd still like some explanations on Eliose

was she influenced by MIB when she insisted Locke's body be brought?

She knows she's in purgatory, but wants to stay there, and wants Daniel to stay there with her?
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05-24-2010 , 02:19 AM
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yea thought about that, but doesnt add up for me.
cause couldnt only the people who drank the drank see the light anyway?
and it wouldnt be hard for an army of 10 (or 3) to take on hurley and ben.
and its not like jacob was always standing, at guard, protecting this light.
this whole light thing makes zero sense to me.
(i know, its about the characters, blah blah, but the island was the main character for me)
The people with MiB found the light, so you didn't have to drink the drink to find it.
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05-24-2010 , 02:21 AM
BTW, the worst part of the Kimmel show was the fan Q&A online after. The standard moron fans had no actual questions about the island but total BS question like, "in a bad breakup who would get to keep the dog" and "would you ever visit Hawaii again or are you sick of it". Even Kimmel called out the fact no one was asking real questions.
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05-24-2010 , 02:30 AM
AP English answer: The island was a symbol of test and conquest for those who are alone to learn to survive relying on others. Jacob/MiB's tale is a metaphor for the black/white that exists in the character's conflict and serves as weight for the idea that the island is said symbol and must therefore be protected for the good of those it serves. That lends weight to the fulfillment of Jack's story and to a lesser extent, Hugo and Ben's.

Re Juliet "it worked": She flashes to the point and sees that detonating the bomb eventually leads to an end where those who were left did what they had to do so that they could be reunited later, more specifically how she and Sawyer could live the life they had wanted in a place that wasn't a lie.


I have officially become that kid I hated in English class that said **** like this and got an A. Mrs Peters would be proud of me, but I feel like I'm dying a bit inside.
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05-24-2010 , 02:31 AM
Did we find out what ever to happened to Frank Lapedus, Miles, and Richard? I don't remember seeing them in the church at the end.

Also if Jack gave his power to Hurley and "Now you are like me" occurred then that should have made Hurley immortal correct? If he was immortal and was in the church how did he die?
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05-24-2010 , 02:33 AM
no clue what to think, besides that the sopranos finale was the greatest finale in tv history
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05-24-2010 , 02:33 AM
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Did we find out what ever to happened to Frank Lapedus, Miles, and Richard? I don't remember seeing them in the church at the end.

Also if Jack gave his power to Hurley and "Now you are like me" occurred then that should have made Hurley immortal correct? If he was immortal and was in the church how did he die?
1. They apparently weren't essential to Jack's passing on wrt the ultimate extensions of those he cares about

2. as Ben said, "that was jacob's island. maybe it could be different."
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05-24-2010 , 02:33 AM
Terrible writing, the main thing that made this show interesting was the mystery involved with the island. We watched Lost to found out answers to the questions that arised from said mysteries.

But basically we got zero answers...it's just shocking really. Can't believe I watched every episode of this POS show.
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05-24-2010 , 02:34 AM
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I am kind of the opposite. I thought that while I was enjoying the finale, they wouldn't have a chance of trying it up without making me hate the show.

I liked it, although I really am not sure of how all the dots are connected.
I'm in the same camp...I figured it was more likely they could end the basic island plot well...but they would somehow manage to screw up the overall characters story lines in the process or their definitive answer would be dumb or unsatisfactory.

I can't say I fully understand it in terms of the whole mythology etc...but emotionally it was a totally satisfying ending for all the characters and I didn't think they would be able to do that without screwing it up.

I think Ben may have still had issues he was sorting out - Alex/Rousseau?
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05-24-2010 , 02:35 AM
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The whole time, hell the whole season its been about ZOMG!!!!!! MIB cannot get off this island or the world will come to an end. Then he tricks/forces whatever Desmond into doing his dirty work for him and the ZOMG part, the doomsday is suppose to happen. How MIB all the sudden became mortal makes no sense to me. I found it even more ridiculous Jack could just fix it by putting a rock back in place.
did any character ever specifically say that MIB himself would destroy the world?
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05-24-2010 , 02:36 AM
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did any character ever specifically say that MIB himself would destroy the world?
Jacob in his little wine jug/cork speech
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05-24-2010 , 02:37 AM
I still think MiB/Jacob's existence is ultimately that of a simple metaphor of good and evil as it pertains to lending weight to the ultimate story arcs of our characters.

In that idea it would be assumed that evil will destroy the world.
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05-24-2010 , 02:37 AM
nb4 lolost?
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05-24-2010 , 02:37 AM
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The alternate universe story wasn't "eliminated". It just wasn't what you thought it was all along.
What i'm interested in is why you, Horton, and Loosen enjoyed it/felt satisfied with the alt universe ending?

For example I found the first hour very promising. They did a good job of building the drama, it was well shot, the score was good, I liked the Rose/Bernard cameo, and the alt time line appeared to be shaping up into some explanation about how the two universes would come together.

The second hour didn't appeal to me as much mainly because I found Hurley crying, and all the sappy stuff in the alt time line to be a little melodramatic.

I think the last half hour I think is a terrible failure because they didn't put the two worlds together, To me the worlds need to be connected at some point for stories resolution to work.

1) They implied that it was a flash sideways with the sinking island shot in the first scene of LAX.

2) In season 5 Jack becomes a man of faith and lets go of his man of science backround. LOST clearly favors faith/fate over science, Jack chooses faith, gets julliete killed, and there are no concequences to the bomb going off?

I'm left with no other conclusion but that the writing was poor.
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05-24-2010 , 02:39 AM
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Why did Juliet say "it worked" when he died ? If it really didn't (since sideways = futur purgatory)
she was referring to unplugging the candy machine. just like her "we can go dutch" line. She had a flash at purgatory
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05-24-2010 , 02:40 AM
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Also if Jack gave his power to Hurley and "Now you are like me" occurred then that should have made Hurley immortal correct? If he was immortal and was in the church how did he die?
"you were a great #1"
"you were a great #2"

Obviously at some point he gives up being #1. Might have been 10 years might have been 100 years. They didn't start remembering until they were all dead and starting to be ready to move on.
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05-24-2010 , 02:40 AM
Might plow through this tomorrow, my quick thoughts.

I liked most of this. I don't mind that Smokey was dealt with somewhat anticlimactically, which I imagine some people won't.

I do mind that the whole flash-sideways didn't have any meaningful storyline tie-in. Part of that is just wishing the show was a bit more science and less mystic/faith based stuff, part of that is just that it feels like a slight waste of time. I didn't mind how sentimental it is, and I get why they did it- but it sure wasn't the ending I want to see for the series.

Watching the 2 hour recap before the ep just made me realize how much more enjoyable the show was when Widmore/Dharma etc were the focus. Jacob/MIB/glowing light/magic rock cork, it's just not what I ever wanted to see out of this show. Especially when so much of the end mythos felt so tacked on at the last moment.

For the show they created, it wasn't bad at all- but this does confirm that the show they created wasn't nearly as entertaining, to me, as it looked like it was going to be.
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05-24-2010 , 02:41 AM
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Also if Jack gave his power to Hurley and "Now you are like me" occurred then that should have made Hurley immortal correct? If he was immortal and was in the church how did he die?
We can assume Hurley served the island for many years, thousands of years or whatever and then passed the job on and then joined all of them in alt-ville (purgatory)
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05-24-2010 , 02:41 AM
Hey everybody. I figured out Lost. I can't answer any of the mysteries of the island. But as I laughed my way through the last ten minutes, realizing how much time I wasted watching this show, it was like I had my own awakening.

There never were any answers. All this show had going for it was the mystery. Nobody ever gave a **** about the characters. What generated interest were the numbers, the button, the Others, Walt, the Dharma Initiative, etc.

The writers, as is the case with any network show, were only interested in keeping their ratings up and getting paid in dump trucks full of cash. There was no good story here and the only concept they had was "magical island where crazy things happen to emotionally damaged people". It was mystery after mystery to keep you hooked and their ratings high.

They won. We watched until the very end. We were duped and bamboozled from the beginning with the "we have a plan" speech. I will list their plan below.

1. Make a mystery, get people to watch.
2. Make more mysteries, get people to talk about it.
3. Answer unimportant mystery, or answer important mystery by saying it's magic.
4. Make mysteries.
5. Make mysteries.
6. Make mysteries.
7. See step three.
8. Make mysteries.
9. ????????????? (This was literally written on the white board in the writer's room).
10. Get rich off of tricking people into watching our ****box of a show.
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05-24-2010 , 02:42 AM
.....realllllllllly??


the ending was so vague, and im extremely pissed off that i dont know more about that stupid beaver dam that protected the island or about the island in general
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05-24-2010 , 02:43 AM
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AP English answer: The island was a symbol of test and conquest for those who are alone to learn to survive relying on others. Jacob/MiB's tale is a metaphor for the black/white that exists in the character's conflict and serves as weight for the idea that the island is said symbol and must therefore be protected for the good of those it serves. That lends weight to the fulfillment of Jack's story and to a lesser extent, Hugo and Ben's.

Re Juliet "it worked": She flashes to the point and sees that detonating the bomb eventually leads to an end where those who were left did what they had to do so that they could be reunited later, more specifically how she and Sawyer could live the life they had wanted in a place that wasn't a lie.


I have officially become that kid I hated in English class that said **** like this and got an A. Mrs Peters would be proud of me, but I feel like I'm dying a bit inside.
good post sir
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05-24-2010 , 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by MattM0de
Also if Jack gave his power to Hurley and "Now you are like me" occurred then that should have made Hurley immortal correct? If he was immortal and was in the church how did he die?
Why would that make him immortal? Jacobs mum/Jacob weren't immortal.
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05-24-2010 , 02:44 AM
Also I really loathe the focus on Christian at the end. Unlike even Ben, he was mostly an unredeemable dick, and Jack's daddy issues were one of the more boring aspects of his character. Way too many really important characters to give so much face time to him, imo.

I'm not really prepared to seperate what I thought was bad with what I just personally disliked, and the first 2 hours and 20 minutes were pretty damn solid. The last 10 have left a really bitter taste in my mouth (note that I'm a pretty staunch atheist, and I can't ignore the fact that anything remotely resembling a heaven allegory won't sit terribly well with me.)
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05-24-2010 , 02:45 AM
[QUOTE=loosekanen;19114375]1. They apparently weren't essential to Jack's passing on wrt the ultimate extensions of those he cares aboutQUOTE]

Yeah thats what I thought as well but if this is the case then why was Penny there? When did Jack ever develope a relationship with Penny?
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05-24-2010 , 02:45 AM
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Originally Posted by pokertugft
Hey everybody. I figured out Lost. I can't answer any of the mysteries of the island. But as I laughed my way through the last ten minutes, realizing how much time I wasted watching this show, it was like I had my own awakening.

There never were any answers. All this show had going for it was the mystery. Nobody ever gave a **** about the characters. What generated interest were the numbers, the button, the Others, Walt, the Dharma Initiative, etc.

The writers, as is the case with any network show, were only interested in keeping their ratings up and getting paid in dump trucks full of cash. There was no good story here and the only concept they had was "magical island where crazy things happen to emotionally damaged people". It was mystery after mystery to keep you hooked and their ratings high.

They won. We watched until the very end. We were duped and bamboozled from the beginning with the "we have a plan" speech. I will list their plan below.

1. Make a mystery, get people to watch.
2. Make more mysteries, get people to talk about it.
3. Answer unimportant mystery, or answer important mystery by saying it's magic.
4. Make mysteries.
5. Make mysteries.
6. Make mysteries.
7. See step three.
8. Make mysteries.
9. ????????????? (This was literally written on the white board in the writer's room).
10. Get rich off of tricking people into watching our ****box of a show.
good post sir
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