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05-24-2010 , 01:32 AM
they had to have a vehicle to get Desmond (who said he'd never go back to the island) back to the island....

they chose to have Widmore drag him back (after a visit from jacob according to widmore) - widmore couldn't bring him back solo - he had to have people with him..
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05-24-2010 , 01:33 AM
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my point is that even the religious story they were trying to sell had holes in it. The whole Flock/Jacob thing wasn't explained, and near the end you sort of got the feeling that Flock/Jacob don't even represent good/evil. What about the Flock/Jack/Desmond scene what was Jack wrong about, what was Flock wrong about, why was Desmond wrong?

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I think you might have missed an episode or two, all of these things are explained in some capacity.

And also, you mean a religious story had some holes in it? Ya don't say.
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05-24-2010 , 01:34 AM
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This is what I mean about people not paying attention and just are bad at lost. You're really asking this? Did you just watch the finale and you can't answer this.
I get it, dude. You're a bigger Lost fan than me, and you can barely interact with us dumbasses who slept through half of this season. But yes, I still don't know the answer. I don't even know what happened tonight (and considering we have multiple people stating their completely opposing interpretations as solid facts, neither do they...though their guesses are probably much more well-grounded than mine).
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05-24-2010 , 01:36 AM
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This might have already been asked, but those of you who have formed an acceptable solution for the finale: looking back at when we saw Desmond appear and disappear after talking to Jack on the plane, was that actually Desmond or just Jack imagining him (or some other explanation I'm not comprehending)?
some other explanation you're not comprehending.

The alt time line is post all their deaths and is a purgatory for lack of a better word.

It started at the very beginning of the alt time line, which also includes the new version of the plane.
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05-24-2010 , 01:36 AM
I was waiting for a worthwhile payoff to the lackluster flash sideways we had to endure this entire season, but instead all I got was contrived attempt at a happy ending. I'll be patiently awaiting a fan edit of season six that completely removes the flash sideways. I'm sure that would be a more fitting ending for this show.

flash sideways = jar jar binks
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05-24-2010 , 01:37 AM
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I get what you're saying, but it had nothing to do with the story. At all. It's like if they showed you five solid minutes of Bernard walking through the jungle without speaking or doing anything. That would just be irrelevant filler, wouldn't it? So yeah, I don't like the way they told the story because they weren't really telling a story at all, they were just killing time.
But once again, we don't know the full picture.

They might have written more in depth stories and not had time to show them to us. Or they might have gotten cut. Or the writers might not have liked them. Or they were too expensive.

But none of it really matters because we're worrying about really unimportant characters in the grand scheme of things.

It's kinda like the 4 toed statue. Do I wonder why it has 4 toes? Yeah, kinda. But it has very little to do with anything, so I don't really care that 1 question out of a million didn't get answered. Especially since the writers may not have even meant for it to be a question..if that makes sense.
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05-24-2010 , 01:37 AM
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As for the island at the bottom at the start of the flash sideways - time is sort of meaningless in the sideways - so I don't know - I guess the island someday ends up at the bottom of the ocean - possibly on Hurley's watch - possibly 100 "jacobs" later
Good explanation, but the viewer is clearly getting the shaft here then.

They show the island underwater in that first scene of LAX intentionally to the viewer into thinking that the Atom bomb worked??? What is the writers motivation for misleading us?

It's just piss poor writing imo!!! It seems like they wrote season 5, started season 6, suffered from writers block, and just gave up. Am i wrong?
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05-24-2010 , 01:38 AM
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I get it, dude. You're a bigger Lost fan than me, and you can barely interact with us dumbasses who slept through half of this season. But yes, I still don't know the answer. I don't even know what happened tonight (and considering we have multiple people stating their completely opposing interpretations as solid facts, neither do they...though their guesses are probably much more well-grounded than mine).
But I have a feeling the majority of you in this thread that are saying how bad this series finale was, are totally lost and really have no idea what is going on.

This finale was excellent.
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05-24-2010 , 01:40 AM
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Good explanation, but the viewer is clearly getting the shaft here then.

They show the island underwater in that first scene of LAX intentionally to the viewer into thinking that the Atom bomb worked??? What is the writers motivation for misleading us?

It's just piss poor writing imo!!! It seems like they wrote season 5, started season 6, suffered from writers block, and just gave up. Am i wrong?
I don't really think them misleading us makes it terrible writing, especially since we aren't even sure of the answers. I definitely don't think they got writers block at all, in fact, I think they probably had way more stuff to show that they didn't get to.
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05-24-2010 , 01:42 AM
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But I have a feeling the majority of you in this thread that are saying how bad this series finale was, are totally lost and really have no idea what is going on.

This finale was excellent.
Do you want to attempt to enlighten us on the basic points? Like what IS the island?
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05-24-2010 , 01:42 AM
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I don't know what the hell happened, but Jack's Dad said that everyone dies and time has no meaning in this place. So I don't think the wreckage was the plane that just took off.

That seemed to be confirmed by the Hurley/Ben conversation where they seem to acknowledge working together on the island for some period of time as #1 and #2.

maybe they all died on impact and the #1 and #2 thing was just part of the story they dreamed up.

idk
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05-24-2010 , 01:42 AM
havent read a thing yet. i'm still processing

my understanding is that the island was real and the sideways life was purgatory. Which makes some sense except for one thing; how was Desmond able to move from the consciousness of the real world to purgatory and then back?
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05-24-2010 , 01:42 AM
I thought the ending was good from a character wrap up stand point but absolutely terrible about explaining anything about anything.
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05-24-2010 , 01:44 AM
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some other explanation you're not comprehending.

The alt time line is post all their deaths and is a purgatory for lack of a better word.

It started at the very beginning of the alt time line, which also includes the new version of the plane.
I get this. What I don't understand is how Desmond was magically on the plane and then magically not on it a few seconds later. I guess the thing I'm still not getting is: if, as you guys say, the alt-timeline was purgatory, how was Desmond jumping back and forth? Was it Jack's imagination? Was it actually Desmond's body, or was he ghost-ish the way Jacob was with Hurley?

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I don't really care that 1 question out of a million didn't get answered.
Okay, but 999,999 out of a million didn't get answered.
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05-24-2010 , 01:45 AM
Meh, I didn't like the finale but think the show overall was above average. It doesn't belong in the pantheon of TV shows, or not the inner circle anyways, but it was worth watching. I'd say there was about 20 or so great episodes overall. Way more mediocre or bad ones and the last season was almost entirely on the awful side.
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05-24-2010 , 01:45 AM
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One interesting question this finale posed: does disconnetcing the power from candy machine really make a stuck candy bar fall?
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05-24-2010 , 01:46 AM
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I think what Kos is saying is why have a good/evil/Jacob/MIB/mythical isalnd story develop in detail if it's just going to get dropped and the final statement the show makes is all about the "people" aspect.
These were the demons and issues Jack had to deal with. The story was about Jack Shephard. It may not have started on that track, but that was the chosen path.

You could say all the medical stuff was filler and a waste of story time, but again that was baggage jack had to carry.
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05-24-2010 , 01:46 AM
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I get this. What I don't understand is how Desmond was magically on the plane and then magically not on it a few seconds later. I guess the thing I'm still not getting is: if, as you guys say, the alt-timeline was purgatory, how was Desmond jumping back and forth? Was it Jack's imagination? Was it actually Desmond's body, or was he ghost-ish the way Jacob was with Hurley?



Okay, but 999,999 out of a million didn't get answered.
The answer to the Desmond question may very well be as simple as the answer to why he's not effected by electromagnetism. He's just special.
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05-24-2010 , 01:46 AM
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What about the shot from the season premiere of the Island under water? That show any light onto the finale?
Right. The island never did sink, did it? I had some friends who were Lost junkies who placed a lot of meaning in that brief scene.

Personally, I agree with those who didn't like the ending. All this happy-****. I mean, give me a break. The final episode was full of gratuitous sentimentality clearly aimed at the Lost groupies.
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05-24-2010 , 01:48 AM
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I don't really think them misleading us makes it terrible writing, especially since we aren't even sure of the answers. I definitely don't think they got writers block at all, in fact, I think they probably had way more stuff to show that they didn't get to.
I agree there is nothing wrong with misleading us, but there needs to be a payoff in the end. Here they give us 12 hours of season 5, let us watch all of season 6 flash sideways, and then in the last 10 minutes they say "Just kidding, Jacks dead, ignore the previous two years." Why is that good TV?

I do admit that I'm probably not understanding something about the ending, but it seems very ill prepared and certainly was horribly presented.
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05-24-2010 , 01:48 AM
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The answer to the Desmond question may very well be as simple as the answer to why he's not effected by electromagnetism. He's just special.
Exactly and if you can't accept that then Lost just isn't your type of show.
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05-24-2010 , 01:48 AM
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Just because we ridiculously overanalyze every single little bitty piece of the show, didn't mean it was intended to be overanalyzed like that.
Most (4-5 seasons) of the show was specifically marketed to the people who overanalyze, though - and I'm including interviews with the writers in what I consider marketing. If you don't think they started to write with the rabid Lost fan's OCD in mind you're really, really naive. And if you accept that they did, then it's either sloppiness, disdain for the audience, or simple desperation over the hole they dug themselves into, that's responsible for the loose ends and plot holes and other unreasonable BS.

And I can think of a few recent shows which actually get better, not worse, the more you analyze them - Deadwood and The Wire spring right to mind. Twin Peaks, The X-Files, and Lost are in another category. That doesn't mean they weren't good, it just means they weren't great.

FTR I think that Lost was a poorly-written show that had excellent production values and actors which made it fun to watch.
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05-24-2010 , 01:50 AM
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The answer to the Desmond question may very well be as simple as the answer to why he's not effected by electromagnetism. He's just special.
Yeah, this is good enough for me.
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05-24-2010 , 01:50 AM
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havent read a thing yet. i'm still processing

my understanding is that the island was real and the sideways life was purgatory. Which makes some sense except for one thing; how was Desmond able to move from the consciousness of the real world to purgatory and then back?
Ya, a lot of people have been asking about this.

The way I see it is that ever since Desmond turns the failsafe key, we know he has weird powers in space and time. If he can travel through time, why not to other dimensions of consciousness (some sort of afterlife)? He basically saw parts of his afterlife when they pumped him with the electromagnetism. He didn't really know what they were, but just knew that it was a good thing.

Juliet sort of sees it too right before she dies. I think this can be explained by the fact that she bombed the pocket of energy which probably had a similar effect to the failsafe key. Juliet had some Desmond stuff going on for the last 10 minutes of her life.
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