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In summary, you are easily placated sheep, and I am not shocked or amazed that this country is running itself into the ground. It must be nice to skate by in life, ignoring glaring errors, and then making up bull**** grandiose excuses when somebody points out even a minor error in thinking.

Don't worry, Phil's country is already run into the ground.

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05-30-2010 , 07:17 PM

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http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Pearl

It was used as a psych experiment is pretty much the leading answer.

A subplot that they later decided not to follow up on. There are a few.

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05-30-2010 , 08:25 PM

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Widmore knew as much as Ben and likely little more. Probably nothing more in fact. His entire character was straight up level 1 with nothing hidden.

The only reason he came back around was because Jacob needed to get Desmond for the "plan B".

In an interview before the finale, the issue of Widmore being visited by Jacob came up, and that it was unsatisfactory that we the viewers didn't see that. The response was that if you see something happen in the shoe, then it really happened. If you don't see it happen, then it may or may not have happened. The implication was that Widmore made up the story about Jacob visiting him. I think a lot of ppl just thought first that it was sloppy story telling, not that there was a deliberate meaning behind it.

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05-30-2010 , 08:53 PM

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is anyone else feeling "over" LOST?

when i read the thread its just not the same

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05-30-2010 , 09:05 PM

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is anyone else feeling "over" LOST?

when i read the thread its just not the same

Ya my anger is over, I've moved on to acceptance. Trying to figure out the millions of things they left out seems like a pointless waste of time, and I've actually been thinking about watching seasons 1 and 2 again but I've successfully resisted so far.

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05-30-2010 , 09:31 PM

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so why the hell was widmore there in the first place

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05-30-2010 , 09:45 PM

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widmore where? on the island?

he was the leader of the others. he was obviously a candidate at some point

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05-30-2010 , 09:54 PM

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i meant in season 6

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05-30-2010 , 10:03 PM

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i meant in season 6

to bring desmond

i actually believed widmore. he was definitely there to stop the mib. that's why he put up pylons on hydra island.

he may have had an agenda as well -- to get control of the island again. but the fact that he put desmond through that test means he was probably telling the truth, and desmond was the failsafe to blow up the island if mib could not be defeated

i believe jacob did come to him

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05-30-2010 , 10:14 PM

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I have no doubt Widmore expected to become the new protector if he helped Jacob.

The lie isnt what Jacob told him, the lie is he had some kind of change of heart and was doing a selfless thing.

Jacob probably knew this and never expected Widmore to survive to take over his position anyway.

Edit to add if not actually become protector (forgot he had a candidate list) then certainly take some powerful position under the next protector, probably something like Richard got with eternal life.

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05-30-2010 , 10:26 PM

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Widmore had a list of candidates and knew kate was technically no longer one

so he spoke to someone

i assume it was jacob

phil -- good post

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05-31-2010 , 12:25 AM

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watched the rerun last night with the annoying subtitles. The finale itself is a little slow to be watched so soon. Maybe after re-watching a season.

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05-31-2010 , 02:44 AM

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This is from that long Doctor post:

Jacob definitely knew what was going to happen. Fate v free will might have been a question, but free will definitely didn't exist despite what Jacob said he wanted. It's fairly lol that Kate and Sawyer were selected to be candidates as children, and no matter what they did in their lives they were fated to end up in Australia at that pivotal time and get on a plane that Desmond was going to crash at exactly the right moment. But once all that happened sure hey here's some free will for ya.

For all we know, Jacob touched thousands of people, but we only see the ones who did happen to make it to the Island.

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05-31-2010 , 10:06 AM

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And just because he touched someone, or brought them to the island, that alone wasn't sufficient for them to become his replacement. Jin was still a candidate when he was on the sub. All the pressure from Jacob(or his essence) in the universe wasn't enough for him to leave what he chose not to.

I still hold that being leader of the Others was not a lock on being a candidate. The former a choice of the Others, while the latter at Jacob's sole discretion on the offer.

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05-31-2010 , 10:47 AM

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all this talk of touching is making me uncomfortable.

someone needs to make a "touched by a Jacob" gif

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05-31-2010 , 10:59 AM

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been done already http://www.ew.com/ew/video/0,,203134...id=86386095001

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05-31-2010 , 11:20 AM

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I loved the ending, and think a lot of mysteries can be solved, or at least explained. the one that gets me is the time travel thing - why were only the main characters moving through time? Why did Sun, Ben & Frank not travel through time with the other characters? Cant think of an explanation of that at all.

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05-31-2010 , 11:41 AM

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been done already http://www.ew.com/ew/video/0,,203134...id=86386095001

haha awesome

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05-31-2010 , 11:50 AM

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because they weren't candidates (assuming jin was and sun wasnt). Candidates time traveled, noncandidates didnt. I know kate was technically crossed out, but as Jacob said she was still a candidate if she wanted to be.

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05-31-2010 , 12:17 PM

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so why the hell was widmore there in the first place

"they're....coming..."

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05-31-2010 , 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TurnUpTheSun

The writers always said (and many didn't believe them) that they knew their ending from the very first episode.

We wouldn't have had any problem believing it if we'd realized that the ending could be completely and totally irrelevant to the show. You could tack that ending onto Star Wars or MASH and it's about the same.

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05-31-2010 , 12:55 PM

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except mash nor star wars used faith vs science as a major theme for the entire damn show/movie series. i can certainly understand not liking it, but to say it had nothing to do with the show seems like you just don't like the characters that much. which is fine, but considering the way the show is told its pretty obviously driven by the characters.

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05-31-2010 , 01:16 PM

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What about Miles and Juliet? Were they candidates? Rose and Bernard? Vincent?

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05-31-2010 , 01:17 PM

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The ending they had in mind was Jack's eye closing. Probably nothing more.

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05-31-2010 , 01:24 PM

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I like the characters fine and I agree that much of the show is driven by the characters. I also think that the finale would have been fine in a vacuum. The problem is that all of the flashsideways for the entire season were part of the ending and they SUCKED and the ending did not in any way make up for that. The last episode by itself I enjoyed greatly, but when you talk about "the ending" you have to include all of the flashsideways, because that's what was built up to make the ending what it was, and the ending did not in any way justify subjecting us to a season of that crap.

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