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05-29-2010 , 04:59 PM
I think since I have been so gungho in defending the finale and the series as a whole I'll throw out a couple valid critiques in my view.

Season 6 was def. not the writers best out of all the other seasons. Given it is the last season you basically expect it to be better than all the rest(which is probably asking to much) but overall I thought the execution could have been much better.

To much of this season was the Losties just sitting around waiting for The Temple people, MIB, or ghost Jacob to tell them what to do. There was less overall drive to the season. The writers also seemed way to focused on trying to convince us that MIB was maybe a good guy but oh no..twist he really was always bad(we basically knew this from the last episode on season 5) and Jacob being such a calm and chill mo-fo(like the world's greatest therapist) didn't help things.

I honestly think the first of episode of the season should have been ATS. It would have thrown people totally off given everyone was dying to find out what happened after Juliet hits the bomb...and if they had been just a touch more detailed in what the heart of the island was...it would have raised the stakes for the final season in terms of "is it really omg end of the universe if MIB wins". It also would have essentially foreshadowed the finale by basically saying the heart of the island is spiritual in nature- which would probably upset all the athiestards that watch.

There were also plenty of points throughout the season where they could thrown in clues/answers to some of the questions and it would have been satisfactory for the most part. Jacob could have said something about the numbers. Ben in his monologue to Ilana could have addressed who actually ordered the Purge(and maybe hinted that the lack of childbirth afterwards was punishment from the island) which led them to start stealing children...which leads to Alex...etc etc.

There were countless outrigger scenes with panicked people so you could have thrown in the season 5 out rigger etc. I don't think it was really a question of not having the answers...I think it was more that for whatever reason the writers didn't seem like it was that big of a deal if they left a lot of them vague or unanswered.

Less time could have been spent in sideways world and they probably could have made it a bit more interesting. Maybe make Sayid realize that he was never meant to be with Nadia(her death in season 4 really was just an accidental maybe) etc. If you're going to wake up Boone maybe actually have him in more than one episode prior.

Overall it was still good and worked for the most part but it was probably the weakest season story telling wise overall in my view (besides maybe the first half of Season 2 and 3 which were weak cuz of the stalling)...which shouldn't have been the case given the talent of the staff and the fact it was the end.
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05-29-2010 , 05:32 PM
I watched season 1-3 right after season 3 ended. I loved season 2 (i think) with the whole hatch and finding desmond and stuff. It was really exciting.

I found out a few weeks ago that lost was wrapping up, so i figured it was time to watch the last 3 seasons.

I struggled to get through the 4th season (worst season of television ever?), then got very interested again in the 5th season.

The 6th seasons was kinda cool with the 2 timelines for an episode or two, but after that it just got super old. I was not a big fan of the 6th season, but I hung on waiting for that AHA! moment when they reveal everything. Which obviously is replaced by a scene that ties nothing together, and was just put in there to end on a happy feel good note. I regret all 120 hours that I spent watching this show.

btw I'm not sure if this is a common complaint about the show, but jesus christ Hurley is a terrible actor. His writing is bad (oh haha a candy bar joke! I get it, he's fat!) but his reactions and exclamations are so forced it hurt to watch.

I think the problem is I watched The Wire and Breaking Bad in the 3 years between 1-3 and 4-6. It makes lost look like it was made by some highschool kids with cameras.
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05-29-2010 , 07:04 PM
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I watched season 1-3 right after season 3 ended. I loved season 2 (i think) with the whole hatch and finding desmond and stuff. It was really exciting.

I found out a few weeks ago that lost was wrapping up, so i figured it was time to watch the last 3 seasons.

I struggled to get through the 4th season (worst season of television ever?), then got very interested again in the 5th season.

The 6th seasons was kinda cool with the 2 timelines for an episode or two, but after that it just got super old. I was not a big fan of the 6th season, but I hung on waiting for that AHA! moment when they reveal everything. Which obviously is replaced by a scene that ties nothing together, and was just put in there to end on a happy feel good note. I regret all 120 hours that I spent watching this show.

btw I'm not sure if this is a common complaint about the show, but jesus christ Hurley is a terrible actor. His writing is bad (oh haha a candy bar joke! I get it, he's fat!) but his reactions and exclamations are so forced it hurt to watch.

I think the problem is I watched The Wire and Breaking Bad in the 3 years between 1-3 and 4-6. It makes lost look like it was made by some highschool kids with cameras.
i think the problem is you thinking season 5 was very interesting

also, breaking bad, meh

also,its still better then lost
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05-29-2010 , 07:11 PM
Dumping on the show is fine as long as we understand that our opinions aren't proof that it was not good, just different from what we would have done. Things I hated about Lost.

Age Discrimination Nobody's ugly in Hollywood but Lost solidifies one basic rule;

young and beautiful = good
old and less-beautiful - bad. or boring construct

MiB has grey hairs but not Jacob, Widmore, Christian Shepherd, Rosseau, Ben, Locke's turns heel, Rose+husband [the island's only regular people] disappearance...

You can pretty much guess a character's character the first time you see him.

Surpise... not It's hard to remember but what made season 1 awesome was the amount of 'huh' moments that were jaw dropping. tree's smashing, polar bear, a hatch on a deserted island?.

Those are great but they lose their shock value somewhere between the 15th and 50th time they happen. By S3 I assumed the island could blast off and be Lost in Space and that any dead person could appear at any time for any reason.

It's somewhat like the Twilight Zone where if every episode needs a twist then eventually they have to bluff-twist and the plot starts resembling a Mexican wrestling match [more fakes than actual moves].

Explain Please IMO it was great that each season had it's own contained story ... Lost, hatch, war, freighter, 1970s. but they needed to be connected better.

This thread is packed with grumblings about unanswered questions. I think they hadn't treated each season as a free-standing entity they wouldn't have so many loose ends that there wasn't time to tie up.

The Kate One Unless I am missing one, every interesting attractive woman gets shot; and Juliet got shot too. Kate is treated somewhat as Superwoman because she's the best looking and therefore the most important, you can like or dislike that.

I figured that was because Kate is alpha-female and the island tolerates no competition.

Sun is the exception. True but she is never really portrayed as being a hot woman, I don't think that she ever has a fling in the show except the backstory.

/complaints. still a great show.

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05-29-2010 , 08:49 PM
Kate survived to the end unscathed because the character was an original plot component.

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05-29-2010 , 08:54 PM
Originally she was supposed to be the leader wasn't she?
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05-29-2010 , 09:52 PM
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also, breaking bad, meh
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05-30-2010 , 11:35 AM
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Originally she was supposed to be the leader wasn't she?
Yeah. Jack was meant to die in the first ep and the pilot was meant to take the role that Jack had too if im not mistaken.

This was all pre casting and given they almost had to recast Kate when she couldnt get her visa until the last minute its hard to say at what point she stopped being the leader.
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05-30-2010 , 01:22 PM
You guys remember that time when the island could cure paralysis and cancer, also bring people back from the dead, but then couldn't fix a simple knife wound for a guy that actually prevented the island's destruction? Yeah, perfectly well written ending. No flaws there at all.
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05-30-2010 , 02:25 PM
kate got shot

duh
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05-30-2010 , 02:34 PM
Answers to the best of my ability and interpretation

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  • What's the deal with babies/pregnancies/Aaron? Is Aaron going to be like Jacob/MIB because he was born there? WTF?
I'm assuming no babies get born on the island because jacob didnt want these innocent creatures to go through what he did. Why was Aaron allowed to live? Maybe he will be a future candidate. He is related to Jack (nephew)

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  • why can Jacob leave the island, but Mother wouldn't let MIB leave?
rules: The island leader gets to make rules
Remember when Hurley said, "how can desmond be with penny, you can't leave the island?"

Ben said, "that was a Jacob thing. You can make your own rules, better ones" or something to that effect

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  • Temple & dogen. WTF?
MIB couldnt get in the temple when Dogen was there and alive. Again, a rule Jacob obviously created.

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  • Why did they need to recreate the circumstances of the crash, killing a ton of people, when DI and The Others have been traveling back and forth to the island for decades?
because the island moved now. The others knew where it was. Now they don't know cause the donkey wheel has been turned.
As far as recreating the circumstances, I'm pretty sure that was mostly a smokey thing to get them to kill locke and bring back his body so he could fool ben into killing jacob

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  • Hieroglyphs, wtf? Not super important.
yeah no idea here. Egyptians on the island at some point i guess. i dont care

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  • WTF do they mean when they say Sayid was infected? At first I thought it was because he'd joined MIB, but we're clearly shown later that he can switch back without being killed off by a voluntarily taken poison pill (WTF?). Just tell him MIB is the devil man!
MIB can obviously infect them, but they still have free will. Something can snap them out of it. their constants i guess

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  • What's the deal with young Jacob?
time traveling ftw. Why he had to be young to get hurley to give him the ashes i have no idea.

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  • Widmore. Pretty much all that relates to him. They could have used him as an awesome device to give answers in the last season, butnah.
Widmore was apparntly on the wrong side all along, until Jacob visited him after his banishment. I dont think widmore knew as much as we think he did

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  • Shannon, really? WTF hapenned to Nadia? Why waste literally HOURS developing her love story w/ Sayid to dump Shannon on us?
I guess the island changes people. I dont like shannon, so yeah im not really buying it either.

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  • If it's Jacob who brought them to the island, why is it that it's the Incident that causes them to crash on it?
Cause jacob is onmiscient and knew that desmond wouldn't push the button at that moment. Jacob just made sure they were all on the plane
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05-30-2010 , 03:36 PM
What was the point of the dharma station that had the guy write down what he saw and put it in the tube that went nowhere.
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05-30-2010 , 04:11 PM
I'm surprised.

I'm actually mostly satisfied with your answers, mets. Thanks. But Jacob is definitely not omniscient, that's the whole point, isn't it? That he's not perfect, either?
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05-30-2010 , 04:47 PM
Widmore knew as much as Ben and likely little more. Probably nothing more in fact. His entire character was straight up level 1 with nothing hidden.

The only reason he came back around was because Jacob needed to get Desmond for the "plan B".

Basically Jacob knew that MiB would have to destroy the island and only Desmond could do this. Maybe Desmond got his power because of Jacob or he just found him somehow but Jacob directed Desmond to exactly where he needed to be both times. The goal of the next protector was always to die in order to kill MiB and sacrifice himself to save the island.

Jacob knew up to and including his death what was gonna happen. He probably didnt allow MiB to influence Ben but he allowed Ben to be influenced by taking a stand-off role in dealing with the Others - likely this is how it always was since Richard came to the island.

MiB said he would find his loophole and Jacob said he would be waiting. This is the entire point, MiB self engineered his own death as Jacob couldnt hurt him but the next protector was. Jacob also took on the burden as "his brother's keeper" in the mean time as a self punishment for creating MiB in the first place.

As for Dogen he is important because he united the people of the Temple to stop them turning to MiB. His importance wasnt in physically repelling the smoke monster but in organising the people in the temple to do so.

There is also another theory flying around that the importance of Dogen is because he is a "touched person" and that the ash only protects when there are people inside it who have been touched by Jacob. When you are touched by Jacob you recieve a gift (his son was saved) but in return you must sacrifice something (not seeing his son and moving to the island) and we knew he met him so it does kind of add up in that way. This ties into how MiB was able to enter the ash circle at the cabin when no one was inside the circle.
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05-30-2010 , 04:53 PM
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What was the point of the dharma station that had the guy write down what he saw and put it in the tube that went nowhere.
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Pearl

It was used as a psych experiment is pretty much the leading answer.
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05-30-2010 , 04:56 PM
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You guys remember that time when the island could cure paralysis and cancer, also bring people back from the dead, but then couldn't fix a simple knife wound for a guy that actually prevented the island's destruction? Yeah, perfectly well written ending. No flaws there at all.
i'm all about pointing out inconsistencies but this one is just horrible to complain about
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05-30-2010 , 04:59 PM
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i'm all about pointing out inconsistencies but this one is just horrible to complain about
the island was done with Jack, ldo
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05-30-2010 , 05:03 PM
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i'm all about pointing out inconsistencies but this one is just horrible to complain about
Well you make quite a well crafted argument. I will immediately recant my previous view that this finale was ****ing ******ed because you have swayed me with such colorful rhetoric.

And hey, how awesome was the part where Jack's eye closed? So god damn original. Ground breaking television. Just too bad the magic island couldn't heal him so he goes off to live a happy life somewhere. Had to die, gotta get that eye closing shot.
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05-30-2010 , 05:04 PM
Plus there is a gross difference between a long term illness killing people over years and one that kills within a few minutes.

Not to mention it didnt cure Ben's cancer.
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05-30-2010 , 05:06 PM
or Jack's appendicitis

or numerous cuts / beatings / head wounds or boone, shannon, ana lucia, libby, arnst, ilana, mr eko, yemi, etc, etc, etc
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05-30-2010 , 05:22 PM
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Plus there is a gross difference between a long term illness killing people over years and one that kills within a few minutes.

Not to mention it didnt cure Ben's cancer.
Yeah, kind of like it was real hard to bring Sayid back to life from his minutes long death. Ben was evil and Jack just saved the island's life for lack of a better term.

Just so long as they got that eye to close, right?

What it boils down to is this show was a cluster**** of ******ation where the writers felt it was more important that they not be inconvenienced with planning anything ahead than writing any piece of script that made any ****ing sense.
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05-30-2010 , 05:26 PM
Sayid was a unique event that happened because of the "unclean" water which would have saved him normally if Jacob was alive at that point.
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05-30-2010 , 05:27 PM
In summary, you are easily placated sheep, and I am not shocked or amazed that this country is running itself into the ground. It must be nice to skate by in life, ignoring glaring errors, and then making up bull**** grandiose excuses when somebody points out even a minor error in thinking.
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05-30-2010 , 05:57 PM
You are a truther arent you.
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05-30-2010 , 06:05 PM
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http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Pearl

It was used as a red herring designed to make things more dramatic is pretty much the leading answer.
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