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05-26-2010 , 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by mused01
this is why lost was bad. there is no rewatchability. movies like usual suspects, shutter island, sixth sense with huge reveals make for great rewatch because there are a lot of subtle clues that point to the truth. lost has none because the writers themselves didn't know the answers from the beginning.
It's kind of annoying that people keep saying this like it's a fact. Obviously different storylines from season to season are pulled out of thin air mid-season, that doesn't automatically mean the general arc was all pulled out of their ass each year. How much of the arc was planned and when? I don't know obviously, but neither do any of you. I'm just getting sick of all the stuff like "Jack said the Adam&Eve clothing was 50 yrs old so they must have made it all up as they went!". Even more tilting are the people who think the flash sideways were introduced with one intent in mind, and then the writers just randomly decided to change it mid-season. Seems pretty clear to me it was intended to be the purgatory world from the getgo. If you didn't like it fine, but that doesn't mean they came up with its explanation a few weeks before writing the Finale script.
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05-26-2010 , 11:40 PM
Noob question:

CharlieDontSurf and Charlie.Dont.Surf. are two different people? Sorry about that.
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05-26-2010 , 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by teh_minbet_pokr
LOL guys Lost was always a character driven show and the the answers aren't/werent ever important!

but...

if you really want answers, boy have i got a deal for you!



for just a couple hundred dollars we will give you ~ 14 mins worth of answers that just couldnt be included in the final 2.5 hrs!
Pretty sure all this means is that there's 14 minutes of deleted scenes from The End...lol if you think that's the extent of extra content on the DVD. And some of that content will probably shed light on some different questions. It's not going to answer everything obviously, but it's simply something extra.

I love how them releasing the DVD collection is driving some of the haters nuts. What are they suppose to do? Not promote the DVD's? Give them away for free?
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05-26-2010 , 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by suckerpunch
Noob question:

CharlieDontSurf and Charlie.Dont.Surf. are two different people? Sorry about that.
yes
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05-26-2010 , 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by mused01
this is why lost was bad. there is no rewatchability. movies like usual suspects, shutter island, sixth sense with huge reveals make for great rewatch because there are a lot of subtle clues that point to the truth. lost has none because the writers themselves didn't know the answers from the beginning.

try it. go try watching lost without just picking the best episodes. i doubt you'll make it through season 2 without getting tired of all the inconsistencies.

the problem with lost is there was never an overlapping answer to tie everything together. what the writers should have done was start from the end and go backwards, like they promised they did. instead they wrote it as the seasons went along, which created a lot of inconsistencies and an underwhelming final season
For you, and others that carry a similar sentiment, once was enough. Why did people walk out the theater, buy a ticket for the next show, and sit through a 2nd showing of Friday the 13th?, the mystery was solved. Because they were entertained by the show, same here except for instead of 2 hrs there are 240+ and all the ancillary sites full of additional information and background.
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05-26-2010 , 11:48 PM
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yes
My bad.
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05-27-2010 , 12:04 AM
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Pretty sure all this means is that there's 14 minutes of deleted scenes from The End...lol if you think that's the extent of extra content on the DVD. And some of that content will probably shed light on some different questions. It's not going to answer everything obviously, but it's simply something extra.

I love how them releasing the DVD collection is driving some of the haters nuts. What are they suppose to do? Not promote the DVD's? Give them away for free?
lol really?

do you see phrasing on the advertising?

They are saying "All the mysteries will be revealed" in order to sell dvds, which is an insult to the fans that they have been telling "its, character driven, the answers arent important." this has been a big deal and a line they started towing yrs ago when the end date was announced. now this box set will "reveal all mysteries"

could easily just package the box set as the complete lost experience or something and not shamelessly try to sell some extra dvds. its going to sell just as well either way.

btw, in case you didnt read either link, the extra 15 mins is basically an epilogue re: Hurley and Ben protecting the island...seems like this would have been relevant to the finale
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05-27-2010 , 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by teh_minbet_pokr
lol really?

do you see phrasing on the advertising?

They are saying "All the mysteries will be revealed" in order to sell dvds, which is an insult to the fans that they have been telling "its, character driven, the answers arent important." this has been a big deal and a line they started towing yrs ago when the end date was announced. now this box set will "reveal all mysteries"

could easily just package the box set as the complete lost experience or something and not shamelessly try to sell some extra dvds. its going to sell just as well either way.

I guess it is a somewhat lame thing to put on the DVD set.

But just because a show is character driven doesn't mean the mysteries were not important at all and I've never heard the writers say that. I'm guessing all the DVD will do is shed some additional light on a bunch of questions. "ALL MYSTERIES WILL BE REVEALED" could be misleading to the nits who still have to know about the origins of Libby's boat...however, I will just concede to you that yes, it's probably a cheap marketing gimmick, but nothing to get in a frenzy over imo.
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05-27-2010 , 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by teh_minbet_pokr
lol really?

do you see phrasing on the advertising?

They are saying "All the mysteries will be revealed" in order to sell dvds, which is an insult to the fans that they have been telling "its, character driven, the answers arent important." this has been a big deal and a line they started towing yrs ago when the end date was announced. now this box set will "reveal all mysteries"

could easily just package the box set as the complete lost experience or something and not shamelessly try to sell some extra dvds. its going to sell just as well either way.

btw, in case you didnt read either link, the extra 15 mins is basically an epilogue re: Hurley and Ben protecting the island...seems like this would have been relevant to the finale
actually the ABC marketing execs decide that ****. They all sit around a board room table laughing cuz they know all the whiny nits/nerds who are obsessed with finding out what the deal with Walt was, and how the food drops kept happening will end up buying the DVDs despite not actually being that into the show in the first place. And then they will go on message boards, write blog posts, declaring how awful the DVD set is and what hacks the writers were...which will just get it more exposure.
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05-27-2010 , 12:33 AM
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actually the ABC marketing execs decide that ****. They all sit around a board room table laughing cuz they know all the whiny nits/nerds who are obsessed with finding out what the deal with Walt was, and how the food drops kept happening will end up buying the DVDs despite not actually being that into the show in the first place. And then they will go on message boards, write blog posts, declaring how awful the DVD set is and what hacks the writers were...which will just get it more exposure.
Right, if you wanna call it a cheap marketing gimmick, fine...but I doubt Damon and Carlton (who are the ones who insist it's character driven) have much to do with it.
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05-27-2010 , 12:41 AM
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2nd sidnote - pretty gay of Ecko to not take the easy paycheck and just show up in LA for a day.
Pretty sure he wasn't asked. I remember seeing an interview from him saying he wanted to be part. I expect the producers weren't too terribly happy with him for up and leaving.
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05-27-2010 , 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by mused01
this is why lost was bad. there is no rewatchability. movies like usual suspects, shutter island, sixth sense with huge reveals make for great rewatch because there are a lot of subtle clues that point to the truth. lost has none because the writers themselves didn't know the answers from the beginning.

try it. go try watching lost without just picking the best episodes. i doubt you'll make it through season 2 without getting tired of all the inconsistencies.

the problem with lost is there was never an overlapping answer to tie everything together. what the writers should have done was start from the end and go backwards, like they promised they did. instead they wrote it as the seasons went along, which created a lot of inconsistencies and an underwhelming final season
Other than season 6, I've already watched LOST multiple times...
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05-27-2010 , 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by AlexM
Pretty sure he wasn't asked. I remember seeing an interview from him saying he wanted to be part. I expect the producers weren't too terribly happy with him for up and leaving.


"Lost's Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje—who played the iconic Mr. Eko—was offered a guest spot in last night's Lost series finale, but he...wait for it...turned it down.

According to ABC and Lost insiders, Adewale was offered a hearty sum to do one scene in the last hurrah, but the actor wanted five times the amount that was offered. It didn't work out."
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05-27-2010 , 01:01 AM
Looks like we're wrapping up with our overall opinions. I think that Lost was the best television I've seen in 15 years. As evidenceI submit that I have never cared a rat's ass about network drama.

I always watch ESPN or syndication of The Simpsons, Married with Children, Twilight Zone reruns etc. all the stuff that was considered 2nd class and not primetime on the major networks. Lost was the first time I was actually tuning in a set time each week to see a new show.

That was because they unified the "drama" of a mainstream show with mystery and imagination that is usually confined to specific genres like Science Fiction. But now there was a show that did some of everything in a masterful mix. The nerds, jocks, social grandees all had a reason to watch this show. The character of say Sawyer's past was driving the adventure plot on the island.

They didn't keep it great forever and Season 3 kind of jumped the track. The Twilight Zone aspect sort of took over in later seasons. A lot of people who just tuned in for Sawyer-Kate-Jack told me they stopped watching [some of us refuse to do research on a TV show] and didn't pick it up again until this season.

That's fine because while they weren't perfect, the series ended with a season of high quality television that was worth the time. I am going to enjoy watching the entire series again someday. But I will also think about what choices the producers made and why they did them. After all, it's a tv show.

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05-27-2010 , 01:05 AM
Semi-grunch because I'm only 36 pages in. Could the island be underwater because it is purgatory and the light in the island is inside of everyone? Isn't that what the mother said, or something similar? If everyone is dead, then there would be no need for the island. Or the light. I'm drinking.

Also, doesn't Desmond just have a near death experience and that is how he knows of the other reality?

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05-27-2010 , 01:05 AM
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But the characters never came across as people to me, just absurd caricature acting in ways that people would never act. There were too many flips just for the sake of flipping and it always came across as manipulation. They were not interesting people (in my book), and certainly not anyone I would ever want to run into. I thought the characters were the absolute worst part of the show and they interested me very little. They were decent vehicles for making interesting stories happen at times, but I didn't see them as anyone I actually related to or the sort. I just couldn't believe they were real people.
A big part of characters being uninteresting is the incredibly sterile language used in american TV, though. I always laughed when that heroin addicted rockstar told someone to "sod off", lol.
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05-27-2010 , 02:10 AM
Okay, so why the **** is Sayid's true love Shannon? She's a spoiled bitch, while Sayid had been searching his entire life to find Nadia. They were starcrossed lovers, and Nadia showed a strength of character that Shannon could never have. I guess Shannon is a hot spoiled blond and Nadia is a torture victim who stood firm for her beliefs...

Also, where the **** is jin and sun's daughter and all the other important people they would have had in their lives? Where's Aaron? If that truly was a meeting after death, then each character should have important people in their lives other than just the island folk.

That's not even touching on the millions of unaswered questions. It's like the writers just decided to go down the emotional roller coaster route and try to appeal to the audience's sentiment.
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05-27-2010 , 02:25 AM
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If the answers don't matter, why did the writers even pose the question?
To show that human life is filled with unanswered questions and that it's not the stuff that happened or how they happened that matter, it's who you did them with that mattered.
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05-27-2010 , 03:04 AM
anyone interested in seeing an email from someone from badrobot?
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05-27-2010 , 03:54 AM
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anyone interested in seeing an email from someone from badrobot?
He wasnt a writer on the show.
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05-27-2010 , 04:22 AM
Did they ever find out who that guys is?
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05-27-2010 , 05:45 AM
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anyone interested in seeing an email from someone from badrobot?
Sure why not.
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05-27-2010 , 09:17 AM
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"Lost's Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje—who played the iconic Mr. Eko—was offered a guest spot in last night's Lost series finale, but he...wait for it...turned it down.

According to ABC and Lost insiders, Adewale was offered a hearty sum to do one scene in the last hurrah, but the actor wanted five times the amount that was offered. It didn't work out."
Ok, fair enough.
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05-27-2010 , 09:34 AM
I've seen posted other places - where 1 guy said "sorry - I wasn't a writer" - and another where someone claimed that DarkUFO got confirmation from ABC that the guy HAD worked on the show (not as a writer) - but had been let go 3 years ago.

Difficult to know which sources are valid or not - just throwing it out there.

Vozzek's The End write up is up now - I always enjoy Vozzek's write ups
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05-27-2010 , 10:23 AM
How lost should have ended:

Spoiler:
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