The complaints are legit, the show could have been better. After S5 I had it on my show rankings as #2 right after the Wire, but now I place it at #5 after Sopranos/Breaking Bad/Mad Men.

It's still an amazing show, but the fact that it gave us so much to talk about also means that when it falls short we will also have a lot to complain about.

How many people does someone have to murder before they become bad in your eyes? MiB is well beyond the limit of say 1 that most people set. I'm guessing Hitler doesn't seem bad to you, just angry?

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=NSmhOff_6-0

I lol´d

this. the created an entire new storyline for the final season, one that was largely driven by the mystery of what exactly it was they were showing us. after the reveal, there is no reason to go back and watch.

Phil was pretty adamant the whole time that the flash sideways would be better on 2nd viewing, that it would make more sense, be better, etc. I can't imagine this is the case at all

After 2 or 3 episodes of season 6, I rewatched the entire series and loved 95% of episodes, I don't think I disliked any of them, even the lame filler episodes. Perhaps you wouldn't enjoy a bunch of the storylines when rewatching, perhaps you would. Give it a try and keep an open mind.

It seemed pretty obvious to me that the mysteries weren't going to be resolved in the way a lot of people itt wanted them to be. As soon as they brought Jacob/MiB into the story it was pretty clear they were gonna explain things the typical sci-fi way. I mean, even if they completely abandoned all of the characters and focused solely on the mythology, there's no way they could resolve everything. I pretty much thought they resolved everything just by making it clear that Jacob had supernatural powers. :P There could be a whole other 6 seasons about the island, imo. That said, I had no idea they were going to devote half of season six purely to character development (the other half consisting of majority plot but still, obviously, some character development).

I think, even if the writers did an amazing job, everyone would be very unsatisfied if all of s6 was completely about resolving mysteries. Keeping the explanations vague is probably way more powerful then any distinct answers would have been. We'll never know.

Exactly, agree with this 1000000%. Thinks this sums the haters posts, and puts into words the essence of what they hate about they show, even if they were focusing alot of their arguments on alot the trivial stuff. The singular brilliant deception by the writers/producers of LOST, in a show built on deception. Don't worry the show will be awesome, we have even had the ending planned from day one so don't worry that we are making it up as we go along. Failing to mention that all the seemingly awesome stuff in between that hooked viewers was completely unrelated to that ending, and indeed that ending could have been superimposed onto any show throughout history of television.

In fact, my very special alternate ending to Seinfeld: Jerry, Elaine, Kramer, and George meet in a synagogue in purgatory after being awakened. Cue Seinfeld, "Hey guys the time we spent in the coffee shop were the most meaningful moments of my life, I cannot move on without you!" Cue Kramer, "Well, that's peculiar." THE END

This is a terrible post, no one gives a **** about the ending and we are all actually pretty clear on its meaning, at least generally. 90% of the posts are not discussing the meaning of the show or whatever, and 95% of the posts aren't even really about the finale. The vast majority of the posts are people saying (and people responding to this argument) that the writers ruined the seemingly brilliant first 3 seasons by giving terrible answers to the questions they posed (am willing to concede to the defenders that most of the major ones were at least somewhat answered) and those seasons were not nearly as brilliant as they seemed in retrospect because the writers were just making up **** as they went along with the only clear mandate being confuse the viewer as much as possible.

No way.

4>>>5>>>1>>>2>>>>3>>>>>6

The problem with season 3 was that while it had some of the best episodes, it also had some of the worst and a lot of filler.

Yes, that's exactly the mystery we were talking about...

The entire religion of Christianity is based on the belief that we are all sinners, but it's ok if you repent. This is the primary lesson of the crucifixion where the murderer getting crucified next to Jesus goes to heaven too because he saw Jesus and realized the error of his ways. Of course, you have to actually repent. It seems pretty much impossible that Hitler repented of his sins. Also, I would say that the hitman who confesses every week but proceeds to continue being a hitman has never repented even if they're following their pennance, etc.

Mind you, I'm not saying any of this makes any sense. The very idea of a "good" God sending people to be tortured in "Hell" for eternity is a paradox. That's what the bloody religion is about though.

Some of the people still discussing food drops have to be leveling, right? I mean, so insignificant and there's been, at least, one logical explanation. Ben has a ton of money at his disposal, Ben keeps paying for/arranging ahead of time (doesn't need to be 30 yrs ahead, lol) the food drops.

what's funny is that the writers would basiclly support you. if they indeed knew this ending all along, it would have been more satisfying as the last episode of a mini series or something.

the "problem" is that they added all this stuff in between, which makes the heaven/purgatory resolution/focus of the final season so odd

Lol food drops, who cares.

I just rewatched the last episode again last night and loved it even more than the first time. You people need to get a life.

I aggree 100%... but only when several explanations can co-exist.

The problem with Lost is that there is not even 1 guy that found a plausible explanation that would wrap-up every mysteries. No matter how hard you define a theory, there is always one event in Lost that would show otherwise.

We're living in the web 2.0 era. Millions of people published their theories. If no one has ever been able to find yet a plausible explanation for everything, it probably means that there is no theory at all to be found.

EDIT :
Dont you see we are living in METALOST ? In Lost, Man of Reason who says it doesn't make sense vs. Man of Faith who believes that the island has a big plan.

It is the same rivalry amongst fans : those who say t sucks and those who say "There has to be a plan."

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/show...sh-images.html

I understand that people are upset because they didn't get out of the finale and final season what they had come to expect. But wtf is the point of tarding up the thread with trying to point out useless plot holes? You're not proving anything to anyone. If you want to seriously discuss the finale, cool. Otherwise, GTFO.

Many people are crtitcal of the meandering of the last two seasons and not simply the last episode or the lack of reveals. It wouldnt be such a big deal if the first 4 seasons hadnt been ****ing amazing. I remember watching season 5/6 with my Lost fanboy roomate and every episode I kept bugging him how nothing really ever happened in the show. And he would be like "no omg this is a huge reveal you will see how it will effect future episodes" and I was like "lol, ok good lulck with that". I stuck around for the last two seasons because it still was good television, but I never once really expected them to recapture the magic of the first few seasons. Oh well, life goes on, time to watch the Wire I think

Same here, agreed, I thought the ending was incredibly emotional, I may have cried....

"and never considered that it would confuse viewers about the actual ending of the show."

ABC must be totally out of touch with how people view this show - which I think also explains why S6 and the finale fell so short of expectations.

Been around for a while, but some are pretty good..


How to Make a Peanut Butter Sandwich, by the Losties

Jack
1. Gather ingredients
2. Point gun at ingredients and shout "HOW DO I MAKE A SANDWICH OUT OF YOU?!?!?"
3. Breathe heavily through your nose as though you were about to hit ingredients
4. Give up and make the sandwich yourself, and eat it bitterly

Kate
1. Make separate sandwiches, one with peanut butter and one with jelly
2. Take a bite of the peanut butter sandwich, declaring it the best
3. Take a bite of the jelly sandwich, declaring it the best
4. Repeat steps 2 and 3 ad infinitum
5. Follow peanut butter or jelly sandwich into grave danger

Sawyer
1. Throw the jar of jelly at wall, sneering "I don't need no sandwich"
2. Call the mascot on the jar of peanut butter lots of clever nicknames
3. Huff and puff and stomp around and grumble a lot
4. When no one's looking, make perfect, even, symmetrical peanut butter and jelly sandwich and sit in a corner, enjoying every bite

Locke
1. Sit idly by, believing that the ingredients will find a way to make a sandwich out of themselves
2. Lose faith and make the sandwich anyway
3. Realize that you were the instrument by which the ingredients chose to make a sandwich after all
4. Run around the room and grab everyone's knives, insisting that their sandwiches will do the same in time

Hurley
1. Make sandwich
2. Eat sandwich
3. Repeat steps 1 and 2 ad infinitum

Sayid
1. Procure 23 milligrams of uranium-20
2. Set hadron supercollider to eight megajoules
3. Program a sandwich-making macro using Cobol or Visual Basic
4. Act all tough-like

Desmond
1. Eat sandwich
2. Call the sandwich "brother"
3. Place peanut butter slice over jelly slice
4. Spread jelly on the other slice
5. Spread peanut butter on one slice
6. Take two slices of bread, a jar of peanut butter and a jar of jelly

Ben
1. Steal someone else's sandwich
2. Claim you coerced them into making the sandwich for you all along
3. Say you'll tell them everything if they make you another sandwich
4. Stare at them all creepy-like

Libby
1. Lay out plans for one of the most intricate, fascinating, and delicious sandwiches of all time
2. Just as you start making it, get shot

Danielle
1. Apply peanut butter
2. Disappear for eight months
3. Apply jelly
4. Disappear for eight months
5. Eat sandwich

Claire
1. Mmmmmmm, peanut butter

Darlton
1. Make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich
2. Have someone take a bite, then tell them it's a baloney sandwich
3. Make up a whole bunch of other ****, then say you had planned it all along
4. Buy a few yachts

Ya, I have to say I think where one lands on the finale probably speaks volumes about their own inner battle between faith and science. In addition, I suspect it may be indicative of which brain dominant that person is. Obv, I am only hypothesizing, but I would guess right brain people were much more satisfied overall than left brain people with what we learned about the mythology and the ultimate resolution of the show.

It's so odd for me to see how unsatisfied some people itt, esp Assani and his legion of supporters, wrt to resolving unsolved mysteries. While, I thought it was fun to speculate from week to week, and don't get me wrong I spent hours on lostpedia over the years, played all the ARGs etc... they weren't at all why I fell in love with the show, or what kept me watching. I loved the show because of how tortured the Lostaways were, and the endless suffering they had to endure in attempts to take control of their life through giant leaps of faith and reason.

I fell in love with the show because of moments like this...

1. Locke screaming towards the sky > the hatch light came on
2. Jack chasing his father through the forest.
3. Jack pounding charlies chest like a madman trying to save him.
4. Alex getting capped
5. Charlie capping Ethan.
6. Juliet Smashing Jughead at the end of the incident
7. Boone hallucinating his sister get killed (SUCH WIN!)
8. Charlie detoxing and throwing his heron into the fire
9. Eko facing off with Yemi right before he gets worked over by the smokemonster.
10. Junkie Jack realizing he has to go back
11. Anything Re: Penny and Desmond
12. Getting the dharma van up and running.
13. Michael's derangement in trying to get back walt.
14. Sawyers incredibly tragic backstory.
15. The cat and sayids torture Victim returning the favor.

Perhaps, it is because I discovered Lost during the darkest days of my own life that I am drawn more to the emotional/psychological content more than the mysteries, or maybe I am just a sap, but I thought these character's were incredibly intriguing and that the growth/failures through suffering was just as compelling, in its own right as learning about Dharma/Others/Time Travel. Obviously, there were a lot of overly maudlin, cringe inducing moments as well, but for me, and Im rather certain for the writers, this show was about people > plot.

The biggest Lost moment for me was clearly "WE HAVE TO GO BAAAAAAAAAACK!". Totally was the peak of lost, and very ironic that it was at the end of season 3. Also loved Desmond's flashes through his life. The other huge moment was dumping Locke's body on the beach after he get's Ben to kill Locke. Two huge reveal "OMG" moments. That's what made the show for me.

I really didn't that huge emotional connection with the characters many did. And it's not because I am not capable of it, I still get teary eyed when I watch the ending to Six Feet Under. I just didn't ever really care about them that much. Can't put my finger on why. I can understand for the people who did get all emotionally involved why they might like the ending, but I just never really cared that much about them. My interest in Lost was almost entirely on the WTF moments and cool one-off stories (The Long Con being my favorite example).

I am shocked anyone actually liked Michael's annoying ass quest for WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALT! It's things like these that made me detest the characters and cheer when they died. Kate and her neverending annoyance, Sun being totally useless, Claire and her beeehbeee, Jack being a general douche and annoying, Locke being a bumbling idiot screwing everything up, and all the various redshirts who served no purpose. In the end, I cared about none of the characters. Not sure why that is, but that's a huge part of why the super cheesy sappy ending was just awful. But for the All My Children and General Hospital fans, I can see why it was OMG AWESOME.

Hallowax is right, it largely comes down to where you got your enjoyment from

for, the best moments were

Not Penny's boat
Desmond/hatch reveal
Ethan not on manifest
(long list of omg moments)

stuff that spoke to something BIGGER going on

I loved it because it made me HATE him and get satisfaction when he dies! One of the things I liked so much about the show is how much the writers manipulated our feelings about certain characters. I went from loving locke to hating him and thinking his a bumbling idiot to loving him again so many times. The same went for Jack. I started out completely despising him and eventually he became my favorite character. I started out liking Kate, and then ofc ended up wanting her to die at every possible moment. We start out thinking Sawyer is a villain, but he ends up being probably the most universally well liked character on the show, aside from desmond.

There aren't many shows that flip the audiences perspective on main characters so drastically. Usually, we know who we like and we stick with them. Lost was anything but.