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05-25-2010 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Rendle
LOST finished with the 55th best rating for a series finale.

ALF finished 25th.

http://www.gq.com/blogs/the-q/2010/0...ed-by-alf.html
LOL as if that's any kind of comparison. ALF did rock pretty hard though!
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05-25-2010 , 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
Most of these are really tiny and not worth knowing, such as the food drops.
The food drops aren't such a big deal, but I strongly disagree that it's not worth knowing.
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05-25-2010 , 04:17 PM
1 > 2 > 4 > 3 >>> 5 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6

3 gets graded lower just b/c of the filler episodes in it. 1 and 2 produced the most OMG moments largely b/c it was all new. the opening scene to S2 (make your own kind of music, Desmond in the hatch reveal) might be the best scene in the entire series, it was so mindblowing at the time.

5 is lower b/c the time travel plots introduced led to...confusion that made it weird to follow, and ultimately was left unresolved. (people are still debating if the bomb even went off, and what happened as a result)

6 is the only season I barely enjoyed. contrasted with 1, 2, and 4 which are all among my top TV seasons ever, alongside Wire Season 3, 24 season 2, BSG Season 1, etc
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05-25-2010 , 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by TomVeil
Sure, but she was long dead before any of this happened. If she's not dead, he never works for Ben and never gets captured by Ilana. Unless I'm seriously screwing up his time-line.
Yes - but she died at the moment when Jacob touched Sayid (asking for direction).

Also - I remember having the impression at the time that she was always going to die there - Sayid was going to be hit by the van/car as well - but Jacob saved him.
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05-25-2010 , 04:19 PM
Food drops in reality "Oh **** these people need to eat lets give em some food."

I just figured there were regularly scheduled drops to resupply the DI. After the purge and Ben & Co take over the barracks, why not keep em going?
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05-25-2010 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Loss Tee
Yes - but she died at the moment when Jacob touched Sayid (asking for direction).

Also - I remember having the impression at the time that she was always going to die there - Sayid was going to be hit by the van/car as well - but Jacob saved him.
AH! That's right. Yes, that's what I recall thinking when it happened, that Jacob saved Sayid from getting hit by the car.
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05-25-2010 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by AlexM
The food drops aren't such a big deal, but I strongly disagree that it's not worth knowing.
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Periodic_resupply_drop

The only mystery really left about the food drops is why are they still being made. It's probably as simple as Dharma/Hanso set up a trust for some company to make the drops until the money ran out.
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05-25-2010 , 04:27 PM
Exactly. Why would they stop unless given instructions to do so from the people on the island?
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05-25-2010 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by AlexM
The food drops aren't such a big deal, but I strongly disagree that it's not worth knowing.
Given the Losties went back in time. I think it is more than plausible that the remaining dharma people, mostly likely off island because of the purge, thought it important to make sure a food drop was made after the crash.
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05-25-2010 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by NuklearWinter View Post
Right, but there are many sects of Christianity... wikipedia says there are 38,000 different Christian denominations.

I don't think they all believe that you can murder someone and be redeemed and go to heaven.

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It would be pretty ****ing bizarre if they didn't since that's exactly what happened to the guy on the cross next to Jesus and half the point of the religion in general.
Really? You think it would be "pretty ****ing bizarre" for religious people to believe completely opposite things yet still fall under the same umbrella of "christians"? Are you serious? You might want to learn a bit more about the different sects of Christianity. Amazing.

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I guess if this is what you believe, than "heaven" must be filled with mass-murderers such as Hitler, Jeffrey Dahmer, Gacy, every priest child molester, etc. etc. Sounds like an awesome place full of people who ruined others lives...

Can you just imagine walking around in heaven and seeing the priest who molested you when you were 7 years old? Can you imagine Jews being in heaven and seeing Hitler? Can you imagine seeing a man who murdered your family but "accepted Christ" before he died so he's now in heaven?

I can't. But somehow that is what people have deluded themselves into believing...

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sorry for the thread derail... most religious beliefs are so preposterous when you actually analyze them, which is why the ending of Lost where everyone moves on to an afterlife is a complete joke.
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05-25-2010 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Code 3
Agreed on the picture frame thing. Probably some member of the crew walking around on set knocked them off the wall accidentally and they had to be replaced, who knows, it's a standard error.

The time loop is how Eloise knew so much. When Daniel walked into the Others camp in the 70's and she shot him, she got his journal with everything he had written down.
But how did she know the piano or whatever it was was going to fall on the guy in the red shoes? Surely the journal couldn't contain that much information. I could see an interesting story where it's like Groundhog's Day- they try some crap, don't get it right, it loops again and improve things a little bit, until they finally get there. It would explain a lot of things, for example how MIB knew exactly how to execute his plan. It would also explain why Widmore is so powerful and how Ben had access to so much stuff off the island. If you had knowledge of the future, surely you could get really rich.
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05-25-2010 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by TomVeil
Exactly. Why would they stop unless given instructions to do so from the people on the island?
oh I dunno, b/c someone has to pay them, and tell them what supplies to drop? and someone needs to pay for all this Dharma branded stuff to be produced, and tell whoever is making up how much of it they need.

you can come up with answers for this stuff but yours was a silly question to ask
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05-25-2010 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by wholecut
oh I dunno, b/c someone has to pay them, and tell them what supplies to drop? and someone needs to pay for all this Dharma branded stuff to be produced, and tell whoever is making up how much of it they need.

you can come up with answers for this stuff but yours was a silly question to ask
A better answer would have been that the drops were actually coming from the 70s in some kind of time dialation, where they dropped them all at once from the 70s (or quickly after each other), and it took them longer to get to the island. Man I am annoyed at how they could have used time travel to make such an awesome story but neglected it so we could learn what Jack's tattoos mean, or flip flop Kate between Jack and Sawyer every other episode.
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05-25-2010 , 04:41 PM
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But how did she know the piano or whatever it was was going to fall on the guy in the red shoes? Surely the journal couldn't contain that much information. I could see an interesting story where it's like Groundhog's Day- they try some crap, don't get it right, it loops again and improve things a little bit, until they finally get there. It would explain a lot of things, for example how MIB knew exactly how to execute his plan. It would also explain why Widmore is so powerful and how Ben had access to so much stuff off the island. If you had knowledge of the future, surely you could get really rich.
Ah, I see what you're saying. Maybe there were time loops and we just saw the last one? Maybe she got flashes like Desmond and knew what was about to happen to the guy. Could've used more explanation on those things.
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05-25-2010 , 04:41 PM
I wonder that too TomCollins-

add in things like Juliet's ex husband getting hit by the bus - and there was definitely fore-knowledge in place (and the ability to influence events)
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05-25-2010 , 04:41 PM
Lindelof and Cuse said just a couple months ago that they had an answer for the food drops, it might be on the DVD
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05-25-2010 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by wholecut
oh I dunno, b/c someone has to pay them, and tell them what supplies to drop? and someone needs to pay for all this Dharma branded stuff to be produced, and tell whoever is making up how much of it they need.

you can come up with answers for this stuff but yours was a silly question to ask
Umm....no. Recurring orders happen in businesses all the time. Send me XYZ every 2 weeks and charge it to this account. There's no reason that as long as the money was there that the supplier would stop this arrangement. Doubly so if they've been paid for X years in advance at the start of the contract.

Regardless, many many many other signs point to drops being a recurring thing.
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05-25-2010 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by TomVeil
Umm....no. Recurring orders happen in businesses all the time. Send me XYZ every 2 weeks and charge it to this account. There's no reason that as long as the money was there that the supplier would stop this arrangement. Doubly so if they've been paid for X years in advance at the start of the contract.
sure, I know lots of businesses who pay for 30 years worth of supplies at once and then break off all communications with suppliers. it happens.

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yes, it's possible, but preposterous, enough that everyone should recognize it's basically a lol scenario
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05-25-2010 , 04:53 PM
sorry if this has already been linked - huge thread, but it expalins my feelings better than i have been able to

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives...al-of-mystery/


particularly this part

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It’s not merely a question of riddles left unanswered. The show lied to its viewers, repeatedly. Remember Juliet saying “it worked” after the atomic bomb went off, followed by the last season’s opening shot of a submerged island in what appeared to be an alternate timeline? That wasn’t some sort of clever misdirection. It was an outright lie. The reason everyone immediately rewinds The Sixth Sense after seeing it for the first time is that it plays fair. It shows the audience certain things, with complete honesty, and the audience misinterprets what it’s seeing.
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05-25-2010 , 05:00 PM
Do you also know a lot of places with billions to spend far away on a deserted island?
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05-25-2010 , 05:01 PM
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* In the Sri Lanka video, a clip of a helicopter is seen. The helicopter shown appears to be a Sikorsky H-5 Dragonfly, a common American helicopter dating back to the 1940s and early 1950s. While the clip is shown, Alvar Hanso states, "...all of the support you will need, including regular medicine and food drops will be made in perpetuity." (The Lost Experience)

* While searching the basement of the Flame, Sayid found a DHARMA binder labeled "Supply Drop Protocol". Before the station's destruction, it also appeared the Flame computer was capable of initiating drops by entering the code "24". ("Enter 77")

* Writing in his diary, Ben noted that the Others were short on provisions and the long-awaited resupply of camp gear had not yet been made. This seems to suggest that multiple drops take place on the Island. ("Through the Looking Glass, Part 1")

* The DHARMA Initiative-branded stores in the well-stocked pantry at the Swan may have been the result of previous resupply drops. ("Everybody Hates Hugo")

* A village on the Isle of Tonga was the recipient of a 1-ton air-dropped pallet of DHARMA Initiative-branded food (including chicken soup, chili, "ranch composite" salad dressing, peanut butter, oatmeal, vanilla cookies, beer, and rum) on some unspecified date prior to 1982. This pallet was believed to have been a mistaken PRD intended for the Island. (Mysteries of the Universe#Parts 5 & 6)
Since it's hard to click links and read
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05-25-2010 , 05:03 PM
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Do you also know a lot of places with billions to spend far away on a deserted island?
dude people don't pay for **** 30 years in advance. nobody operates that way. even billion dollar corporations. they need money, for, you know, other stuff.
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05-25-2010 , 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Neue Regel
sorry if this has already been linked - huge thread, but it expalins my feelings better than i have been able to

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives...al-of-mystery/


particularly this part
I think that's a bit over the top & over dramatic. The writers fell short in many ways but they exceeded many expectations on a number of levels and especially with the characters themselves.
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05-25-2010 , 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Neue Regel
sorry if this has already been linked - huge thread, but it expalins my feelings better than i have been able to

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives...al-of-mystery/


particularly this part
Don't get how that is a lie..gotta run tho so I'll catch up on this.
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05-25-2010 , 05:17 PM
Anyone asking, "but what about this, it was never explained on the show" is missing the big picture. All of the mysteries of the island that were explained in such small ways, that they demanded to have some sort of bigger picture meaning. Example: the boat in the middle of the island was solved by, oh there was a big tidal wave that put them there. Where does the power of the island come from, oh a big yellow light in a cave, etc, etc. People seem to hold on to "more answers lead to more questions" type of philosophy. It's because all their answers they gave just answered little questions. As a viewer, I expected the mysteries of the island to amount to something in some sort of cohesive way. I expected to have a big AHA moment where things made sense. I never had the AHA moment, because I was left with a magical island where crazy stuff happens.

The show was written such that all these details, clues, mythologies that were painstakingly written into the show seemed to have purpose. Their purpose, as I found out, were just ways to advance the story of the characters. The reason the finale was a letdown for some, was that people were expecting to have an "AHA" moment where it explained why such a crazy island could exist on Earth as we know it. I don't really care about every last mystery that existed. But nothing cohesively tied any of the mysteries together in a way that was proportional to the buildup. Things like the numbers point to cohesion of story and a bigger picture. Every mystery seemed related to each other. The show begins with stuff like "what is this place"? We never found out. People ask questions in this thread, "but what about this", and some die-hard Lost fan knowing all the mythology has some sort of answer or guess, but in the end, as the writers told us, none of the "details" mattered. They didn't amount to anything. Well then what was the point?

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