I think the Shannon thing was a little in joke cos I think their were scheduling issues for trying to get her on the show, she was meant to be in the first episode.

I do find it amusing people acting all smart and calling people ******s, acting all knowledgeable when all they are really doing is searching lostpedia/google and presenting stuff from there as facts and knowledge that they have cleverly realised and thought up themselves.

Except for it makes perfect sense.

anybody defending this show...wow

and its not that i dont like the last show, i think season 5 and 6 both sucked, 3 also

all in all its a pretty mediocre show at best

but ive had fun with it, just as i had fun with other mediocre shows or movie, take it for what it is

Yeah and all the endless theorizing that went into her not being on the first episode.

Well it's pretty dumb to ask questions and then not look for the answers that are on resources at your disposal. IMO

Well, they may be "imaginary" or

My interpretation from what Christian said is that the group that was moving on together created everything else in the limbo world.

Phil, or anyone for that matter, can you please provide me with your explanation, if you can come up with one, for these two lapses in logic?

They bother me immensely.

You need to open your mind to possibilities that can or do occur.

1) Ghost Christian appears kind of like the manifestation of "the island" and says that his work is done, allowing him to be killed. No, it doesn't make much sense at all. (Maybe Michael has some of Walt's powers, perhaps they were close enough to the island that "Jacob" could project himself out there. We know he's visible, even dead, when he wants to be. Perhaps Christian appeared to him so he could turn him into a "whisper". I don't like any of these, and tbh I think they just went in a different direction than they thought they would when this happened.)

2) If Nadia is alive, there's 0% chance Sayid goes back to the island. Whidamore (tee hee) knew that if the O6 didn't go back there would be nothing to go back to. Thus, he must remove the obstacle blocking Sayid from returning. At least IMO.

still does not explain Ben. Ben clearly has an awakening when he is pummeled by desmond. and that is really not up for debate. also, this "version" of Ben, that you would believe to be created by the group that moved on, had full awareness by the time they arrive at the church, he has a touching exchange with Hurley, and then he and Locke come to peace with one another also. So this really is where your argument falls apart, if it was all "created" or a simulation or whatever you want to call it, why is Ben fully aware of the island, why is he invited into the church, and what would be the significance of having Hurley and Locke acknowledge someone who is imaginary or however else you want to describe it.

ben was obviously awoken, he had full awareness by the time they reached the church and was even invited in to move on, instead he chose to stay behind to tie up his own loose ends.

which is another reason the explanation by christian at the end is another contradiction due to bad writing, or just one last red herring for the writers to leave us with.

rather than a place the losties created, it appears more to be an actual purgatory for everyone, or at least for everyone ever connected to the island, otherwise ben wouldnt be able to stay behind because the place would cease to exist after the others "move on."

or the writers just jumped the shark again and left us one more foul-up in the continuity so we can "use our imagination"

LOST_113_SoItBegins_MissingPieces_HD should explain your question about Christian Shepard on the freighter. You can pick from 2 theories; A supernatural Christian, or Jacob as Christian.

Something started bugging me when I read the Lostpedia entry for The End : http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_End

Working backwards, everyone is extremely happy & jovial in the church, and they all seemingly know eachother ... but obviously in the entire flash-sideways, hardly anyone knows eachother ...

Is the church the only place that they made together to find eachother? I don't think that's the case because Hurley & Desmond were working together to bring everyone to the church.

I'm forgetting now, but how did Kate have her awakening before touching Jack? Clearly she initiated that awakening outside of the concert, but how did she already know? Also, the way she talks to Jack inside his car, outside the church at the end, she's all knowing about what's going on and what's about to happen from the way she talks to Jack ... this kinda implies that she died before Jack, if you can mostly forget about the "there is no time" stuff Christian then tells him

Kinda bugging me if there's multiple sections to the flash-sideways ... think about Locke / Ben ... they always had a principal / teacher relationship in the flash-sideways, but then outside the church they have the very candid "I'm sorry for what I did to you" conversation

I'm not too concerned about it, and I'm mostly just chalking it up to the writers playing it fast & loose at the end ... which is unfortunate, because I think if the writers had taken more time to work everything out, we'd have a much more solid show, a la Sopranos ... what'd they take, 9 years to do 6 seasons?

rapidacid, Kate became aware because of Clair, she delivered her baby.

I never got the hate for Season 3 ... I thought it was very good

1 > 3 > 2 >>> 4 >>>>>>> 5 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6

Ah, right-o

I'm definitely glad that everyone who saw these minor differences and were convinced it meant something were proved wrong. Obvious production errors.

Although a time loop would have made more sense for explaining how Eloise knew so damn much.

WTF no it didn't imply she died before Jack. It implied she died LATER than Jack, thus the "I missed you so much" line. Because she lived for a number of years and never saw him again. (She had her "awakening" delivering Claire's baby)

The reality imo was created by all of them, not just the ones who ended up going into the church. See: Charlotte, Daniel, Eloise, Ben. All of which are staying.

I think Ben is a part of the group that created this limbo universe, he is just not ready to move on with them yet for his own reasons. Ana Lucia may be part of the group too, I'm not sure. You may be right in that it's a purgatory for everyone, it's just my interpretation that it is the losties' creation.

Sayid was going back either way - he was in handcuffs, remember (captured by Ilana).

I think that Jacob had a certain amount of omniscience - could see the future, etc. Sayid had an important journey to make on the island - from dieing from being shot in the stomach - to being re-made in the temple - to attempting to kill Flocke - to joining Flocke - to ignoring Flocke's order to kill Desmond - to sacrificing himself on the Sub.

So - Nadia dying was important - so that Sayid would be in the proper state of mind to complete those tasks (ie - nothing to live for)

Agreed on the picture frame thing. Probably some member of the crew walking around on set knocked them off the wall accidentally and they had to be replaced, who knows, it's a standard error.

The time loop is how Eloise knew so much. When Daniel walked into the Others camp in the 70's and she shot him, she got his journal with everything he had written down.

Kate had her awakening from birthing Aaron I believe.

The whole flash sideways was the place they each helped create due to their ongoing issues in life which they could not let go of. Only once they all had the "awakening" and helped each other realize this, were they able to let go.

As for Christian - given the fact that he:

Appeared on the freighter
Appeared in Jack's hospital

I think he had to be supernatural - or ghosty - much like Mr. Eko / Charlie / Ana Lucia / etc / visiting Hurley in the mental hospital.

Ben was not a part of the group that grew together. Hurley invited him in because that's his nature. And maybe the time they spent together on the island drew them closer. Ben was always an outsider to the Losties. His connection is Alex, not Danielle even though they are a pr.

Sure, but she was long dead before any of this happened. If she's not dead, he never works for Ben and never gets captured by Ilana. Unless I'm seriously screwing up his time-line.

LOST finished with the 55th best rating for a series finale.

ALF finished 25th.

http://www.gq.com/blogs/the-q/2010/0...ed-by-alf.html

Yes, Ben was never in "the group", as evidenced by him standing off to himself during the reunion after he makes his choice to turn away from Flocke. Also, Ben has a lot more to atone for imo Now it's his chance to 'awaken' HIS circle and allow them to move on.