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05-24-2010 , 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by TimmayB
but this is awful. Nickelback is the worst.
there are plenty of bands worse than nickelback. and plenty of shows worse than lost

and hey they have have sold a ton of records! tons of people love lost! surely both are pinnacles of human artistic achievement amirite?

personally if i were in a band and the resulting music was nickelback, i would feel as though i failed artistically.

just as if i were a writer/director/producer for lost, if i were being honest with myself, i would again feel as though i failed artistically.

but taste is subjective so what do i know.

but again the idiots claiming that people that didn't think it was OMGAMAZING "dont get it" should get a f clue and maybe get off their pedestal of cockbaggery
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05-24-2010 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by wholecut
umm well what is The Island?
The island is clearly a magical place with a protector who has to protect it from his brother in order to protect the outside world. He inherited this duty from someone he thought who was his mother that really wasn't. His brother killed his mother which caused the protector to throw his brother into the heart of the island, which is "a fate worse than death". Since then, the two have argued over the general good of mankind and brought people to the island in order to test them, waiting for an end [which appears to never happen]. Did you miss all of "Across the Sea", or are you just complaining to complain?
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05-24-2010 , 06:42 PM
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umm well what is The Island?
A island where in the the middle there is a plug that allows light(good) and prevents darkness (bad) from taking over. All other island phenomena stems from the power from the light. Island is timeless

This seems pretty obvious to me???
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05-24-2010 , 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by wholecut
questions that we have no clue about, some more important than others

- people with powers. Hurley, Miles, Walt. We have no idea about this
ya, mostly left ambiguous...I just assume they had some special communion with the island from birth (and we know Jacob followed them all from birth)
- Hurley being cursed
was all basically in his head
- any real explanation of the Numbers
in what regard? didnt the whole valenzeti equation explain their origin? (i never saw "the lost experience"
- any real explanation of the various sets of Rules
definitely agree it could have been developed more and should have but I don't consider it a TOTAL baffler
- what the Island is
shouldn't have to be explained and would have been super lame if it was...this is open to interpretation as it should be
- why no one can ever find the island, why people have to be sedated getting there, how it moves, etc
ties into the whole thing with the "right bearing" that I explained earlier...agree this should have been answered more
- Hawking knowing the future and what people were supposed to do. is she some sort of god?
definitely agree more should have been talked about it with eloise. I can actually make sense of her flash sideways character but her real life one is still a bit of a mystery
- Libby/Hurley storyline
never felt completely unsatisfied about this, what was the story even? Plus the actress was kicked off the show so it's possible they wanted to do something but couldn't given the circumstances
- all the tests that Walt had to take
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Jacob knew Walt was special, he wanted to find out more about him. Ben turned it into a pretty malicious and grueling process.
- pregnancy problems
never directly explained but you can make sense of it
- the sickness
s6 or with rousseu's team? I assume it's tied together, some people perceive MiB's poisoning of a good character to be an "infection", a "sickness", etc
- who were "the good guys" vs "bad guys"
when? the others are good guys, jacob's ppl. if MiB manipulates them, they become bad guys
- Jacobs cabin, who was in there, why is dissapeared, etc
Seems clear that MiB was using it to manipulate people, Jacob probably had him trapped in there at one point (the ash circle) but he got out
- the ash
ya could have got a bit more on this. I'm guessing it was either from the volcano or from past dead island protectors (Jacob's ash seemed to be important)
- why Desmond was so special, the rules not applying to him, etc
Because he turned the failsafe key.
- dharma food drops
meh could have conceivably been a dharma food drop that got caught in a time flash and so the drop itself landed in a different time period
- sonic fences vs the MIB
we don't know why sonic fences and ash kept MiB at bay but i guess looking back i dont consider it all that relevant...it was his kryptonite for whatever reason

and scores of smaller ones
Most of these are things where I think 'Ya, it would have been cool to get some more information on some of this stuff, but it's not a deal breaker for me that it never got explained.' Like I said, there's some mysteries I'm more upset didn't get explained than others. But as a whole, I feel pretty satisfied with the amount of information given about most stuff, given the full scope of the show.
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05-24-2010 , 06:44 PM
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there are plenty of bands worse than nickelback.
LOL no.
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05-24-2010 , 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by suchsickaments
unanswered questions

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1936291

brilliant infact
At least that finale was entertaining. 10 out of 10, as opposed to 2 out of 10.
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05-24-2010 , 06:48 PM
the fact that Vagos and Phil disagree on the questions I posed is pretty good evidence that they weren't really answered (besides a couple I listed)

2 of the single biggest ones:

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- any real explanation of the various sets of Rules
1. wait, what, that was all explained
2. definitely agree it could have been developed more and should have but I don't consider it a TOTAL baffler

- what the Island is
1. explained
2. shouldn't have to be explained and would have been super lame if it was...this is open to interpretation as it should be
I also didn't get into stuff like the picture frames moving in the Miles episode, record players changing, etc...all of that I guess was just red herrings, but was totally used by the writers to generate buzz and excitement about the show. Hurley not knowing when in time they are, stuff like this...all red herrings

also, the answer for some of these appears to be "because". that doesn't count as an answer. if a child asks me why the sky is blue, and I tell him "because it is" I didn't really give him an answer

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05-24-2010 , 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by suchsickaments
unanswered questions

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1936291

brilliant infact
I'm not a huge hater or anything, but this is really awesome.
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05-24-2010 , 06:52 PM
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Also this flash sideways stuff makes a LOT more sense now and is less of a random addition than it first seemed. Im sure ppl will disagree but whilst i think the show could have had a better last season im overall happy with the send off the show got, esp the finale which was a great 2 hours.
I think parts of it make a lot less sense, Sayid's sideways stuff seems totally bizarre, the Faraday/Desmond scenes likewise. Eloise and her reaction to what Desmond was doing seems a bit strange as well, if she knows (and how does she know) what's going on then surely she would want her and her son to move on. Jack having a son doesn't seem to have much logical sense either except as a plot device to get people to the concert.

I did think Kate looked super hot in her little black dress not sure where it went to when they arrived at the church.

I enjoyed the finale for what it was but I have been disappointed with s6 as a whole. I don't think this is a show that I will ever go back and watch again, which surely is really the test of whether a show is an all time classic.
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05-24-2010 , 06:53 PM
I told multiple friends that the only way I'd go back and catch up with Lost after ragequitting following the Season 2 finale was if Jack died; if that happened, I promised I'd give the show a second chance.

bad beat finale for madtown ldo
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05-24-2010 , 06:57 PM
I wanted more answers, but I have to admit that I loved the finale. I was all choked up a half dozen times and my wife was all out crying a few times as well. All of my friends (all over 35) had the same feelings and thought the finale was great.

In the end, the show ended like it started, lots of emotion and even more questions.
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05-24-2010 , 06:57 PM
I also don't get how the flash sideways make any more sense now. if anything, they are even less tied into Season 1-5 than I had suspected. it was a completely new storyline opened for the final season, and ultimately a fairly dumb one. did we really have to watch characters we didnt know walk around purgatory? once they finally recognized each other it was cool, b/c we got our characters back...but jesus what a waste of time for the final season of the show
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05-24-2010 , 07:00 PM
I'm in the criticizer boat for LOST, but some of these questions are getting into the minutiae and are starting to hurt you guy's argument.

I would take the 25 or 30 listed here - sort them - and be happy with the top 10 being given some type of explanation AND woven into the plot.

At the top I would have the whole Egyptian connection, Walt/Aaron specialness, the numbers, Desmond, ..
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05-24-2010 , 07:01 PM
Assani,
They answered a lot of those questions implicitly or explicitly throughout the series. I think it's ridiculous that people expect all these answers to get spoonfed to them. Something like the Dharma shark never gets explicitly explained, but it is pretty clear that it was used for some sort of experiment. I don't really think knowing the exact mechanics of that experiment are necessary.


Edit: I am disappointed they never solved the mystery of where Bernard went to dental college or why Arzt was on the plane from LA to Sydney.

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05-24-2010 , 07:02 PM
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I'm in the criticizer boat for LOST, but some of these questions are getting into the minutiae and are starting to hurt you guy's argument.

I would take the 25 or 30 listed here - sort them - and be happy with the top 10 being given some type of explanation AND woven into the plot.

At the top I would have the whole Egyptian connection, Walt/Aaron specialness, the numbers, Desmond, ..
sure, agreed, there are really only a handful of HUGE things gone unanswered.

however, it is evidence of how disingenuous the writers are when they claim the show to be about characters. these are all weird mysteries they opened up to generate interest in the show, then we were told that they dont matter
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05-24-2010 , 07:03 PM
All those that need to further understand the series, and never went beyond the aired segments, need to go to lostpedia and all the other sites that fill in many of the gaps. There is no cognisant reason to avoid those sites because of spoilers anymore.
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05-24-2010 , 07:04 PM
oh noez, lost did not answer all the tiny details/mysteries i wanted to know.

I think the final moments of the episode were great. It pretty much erased my obsession w/ the island, and I realized that all that **** was not important.
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05-24-2010 , 07:04 PM
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I did think Kate looked super hot in her little black dress not sure where it went to when they arrived at the church.
SERIOUSLY WTF.

Did other people in the church change outfits?

I'm not the world's biggest Kate fan, but she looked great in that dress and I don't understand why she changed in the end unless it was to make the point that she was from a different point in time.
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05-24-2010 , 07:04 PM
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All those that need to further understand the series, and never went beyond the aired segments, need to go to lostpedia and all the other sites that fill in many of the gaps. There is no cognisant reason to avoid those sites because of spoilers anymore.
yeah, I get most of my list from the lostpedia section on "unanswered questions"
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05-24-2010 , 07:05 PM
I think I would have been happier if Assani wrote the final season lol (not the first 5, but def the last.)
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05-24-2010 , 07:07 PM
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I can't believe people REALLY think they made up the flash sideways device and how it would be resolved just on the fly, in the middle of s6.

Gimme a break, now you're just going out of your way to hate on the show.
As someone who thinks you may have gone out of your way ITT to defend the show, I have to agree 100% with you here
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05-24-2010 , 07:08 PM
I'll try to touch on the ones I felt I haven't really addressed yet...

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Originally Posted by Assani Fisher
1. Aaron's significance and "not being raised by another."

2. Walt's powers

3. The Others and their motivations for being so confrontational with the Lostie that it'd eventually end up in several of their member dying(season 3 finale)
People are hung up on this. It can be made sense of so easily. Ben was put in charge. He became a bad dude. The guy before him was kind of a bad dude too (Widmore). They ran things pretty poorly and let the power get to them. MiB's "they come, fight, destroy, corrupt" was looking like it would be true again. In the end, he was wrong.

4. Ben's strange way of getting Jack to do surgery when Jack was always willing to help people out

5. Mr Eko and his connection with the island
The actor wanted off the show. How can you hold this against the writers?

6. Locke and his connection with the island
Wtf? Fully explained and developed.

7. Childbirth issues apparently dating back quite a long time due to the presence of the statue of Tawaret

8. The numbers

9. Why did the hostiles and the Others not get along? What was the initial cause of their hatred of one another?
They were the same. The "hostiles" is just what the Dharma called the Others. As for why they fought with one another, see my response to #3

10. Why were "the candidates" chosen out of everyone in the world? What exactly was special about them?
Agree with you on this one. In fact, the explanation of "you were all alone and looking for something that wasn't out there" is inconsistent with him visiting Kate as a freakin' 10 yr old. Completely agree on this one.

11. How did the mother get to the island....is there any reason other than "God made it that way" that the island is so magical?
Yes, if you want to go back to the beginning of time, it will be either God or aliens. I don't see how this can be avoided.

12. When they came back to the island, how come some jumped to different time periods?
Only the remaining candidates went back in time. Don't know why exactly but it's not like the people who went back were selected randomly.

13. "The island won't let Michael die"....wtf? And how did smokie appear off island to Michael(on the boat) and to Jack in the hospital?
I'm guessing the boat was inside the "radius" of the island or whatever and I don't actually believe Smokey appeared to Jack in the hospital. I think it was a delusion brought on by the island trying to get him to come back. Interpret however you wish.

14. What would've happened if Smokey left the island
Use your imagination. This is a case where an explanation would have been far more lame than leaving it up to our interpretation.

15. What did Dharma study and find out about the island

16. Why did Richard not age(but not have any other apparent powers)?
Because Jacob gave him a gift

17. Room 23....wtf exactly were the Others doing here? They made the Others seem so incredibly strange, and to find out that they were simply a normal unimportant group of people just doesn't fit in with many of the earlier season storylines.
See #3. The Others WERE incredibly strange because Ben was a horrible leader.

18. Why does Desmond jump through time? What exactly was "special" about him?

19. What was Eloise's motivation? Why was she ok with sending Daniel back if she knew he'd die?
She wasn't ok with it, but whatever happened, happened. To prevent it from happening could create some sort of time paradox (in Desmond's episode where he goes back in time and tries to buy the ring, she tells him "If you don't do these things Desmond David Hume, we're all dead!"

20. What was Dogen's/the temple's power that kept smokey out until Dogen died?
A lame plot device to move the story foward in s6. I personally don't see it as a big hangup.

21. Why did Jack think Adam and Eve were only 50 years old?
Because Carlton and Damon didn't know if the show was going to last 12 episodes or 12 seasons.

22. What exactly was "the loophole" that MiB used to have Jacob killed?
This is fully explained. He needed to manipulate someone else into both having access to Jacob and be willing to kill him. By posing as the new leader and getting the old leader to kill Jacob, he finally found his loophole. It seems Jacob only granted audience to those he chose as leaders specifically because he was wary of any random Other being manipulated into killing him.

23. If Jacob was simply looking for someone willing to give everything they had for the island, then wtf was so wrong with Ben that Jacob wouldn't even talk to him for years? Ben, while quite selfish at times, definitely did have a love for the island all along.
But he was mostly a terrible guy during his reign as leader and it only got worse. Jacob thought there was something special about him but he was wrong.

24. Remember the snow globe and moon theories? Why exactly is the island so hard to find? Why do you have to leave on an exact bearing? How did the Others travel to and from it so easily whereas it was so tough for other people?
Fully agree with you this one should have been better developed.

25. What happens when someone is "infected"? How were Sayid and Claire changed back to being good? Why did Claire leave her baby and wonder off in the first place?
The "infection" seems to be some sort of manipulation at the hands of MiB using his smokey powers which clearly derive from the Light, which leads into the Temple springs. As for them turning back, our good characters (Kate and Desmond) are able to bring them around.

26. What exactly did the bomb at the end of season 5 do?
Caused "The Incident". Whatever happened, happened.

27. What were the rules, how did Jacob(or whomever else) get the power to make them, how were they enforced, how come they could sometimes be broken?
Probably could have used slightly more explanation.

28. What was Illana's story? She knew a ton and had met Jacob off island, yet she just died unexpectedly.
Prop character to move the story along in s6. She served her purpose. Perhaps someone Jacob brought to the island before and left for whatever reason.

29. How or why did Miles have his powers? Apart from him, nobody off island had any strange powers so its kinda weird to have a show full of normal people but then have one person with superpowers, no?

30. Why did Widamore want Rousseau's baby dead? Why did Ben raise her?
Widmore was not a good leader either. Ben was ok at the beginning (before he was a leader).


I'm sure I could go on and on.....
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05-24-2010 , 07:09 PM
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1. Aaron's significance and "not being raised by another."
not fully explored but it is possible Aaron is "special" too.

2. Walt's powers
he has powers. I dont get what people want with this one. He can do stuff like summon animals but he was dangerous and uncontrollable.

3. The Others and their motivations for being so confrontational with the Lostie that it'd eventually end up in several of their member dying(season 3 finale)
From day one they were being influenced by MiB. Jacob never told anyone why they were where they were and what to do. They come, they fight, they die. At this point the Losties invaded the Other's island, killed several of their members and so they fought back.

4. Ben's strange way of getting Jack to do surgery when Jack was always willing to help people out
Projection. Ben at that point could never conceive of someone doing something selfless without manipulation.

5. Mr Eko and his connection with the island
See below:

6. Locke and his connection with the island
MiB tested both Locke and Eko to find someone willing to be manipulated by him. Eko resisted and was killed, Locke did not and survived. There is no more special connection there.

7. Childbirth issues apparently dating back quite a long time due to the presence of the statue of Tawaret
Not fully explained

8. The numbers
Could do with more detail but a lot was explained

9. Why did the hostiles and the Others not get along? What was the initial cause of their hatred of one another?
Others are the hostiles.

10. Why were "the candidates" chosen out of everyone in the world? What exactly was special about them?
Lol, what, fully explained.

11. How did the mother get to the island....is there any reason other than "God made it that way" that the island is so magical?
Yawn, no it was the aliens who did it right after killing some other aliens in volcanos or something. Not sure the details but a scientist told me about it once. The mother got there by crashing there ldo.

12. When they came back to the island, how come some jumped to different time periods?
The Island wanted them to as they had a task to achieve in setting off the Incident.

13. "The island won't let Michael die"....wtf? And how did smokie appear off island to Michael(on the boat) and to Jack in the hospital?
Christian off island is a mystery. The island deciding people's fate is so standard i dont get why anyone doesnt understand it. The island is sentient and all powerful.

14. What would've happened if Smokey left the island
They were worried that if people left they would bring back lots more people and they would destroy the island. At first MiB fell under this catch all rule that existed at least since Mother, probably further back. But then when he changed to Smoky something else was going on. It is no coincidence that when the light was put out he became mortal, it probably works in a similar way that him leaving would put out the light. Draw your own theory, you can prob just make it as simple as he would kill everyone i guess.

15. What did Dharma study and find out about the island
highly insignificant and largely explained anyway

16. Why did Richard not age(but not have any other apparent powers)?
what? Fully explained. Wait, do you want me to give you a scientific reason why the guy didnt age?

17. Room 23....wtf exactly were the Others doing here? They made the Others seem so incredibly strange, and to find out that they were simply a normal unimportant group of people just doesn't fit in with many of the earlier season storylines.
This is so obvious i assume you are levelling. Dharma did a bunch of experiments and this is where they did psych experiments into brainwashing and such.

The Others were built up because they had no end date so needed to keep using them. They werent nearly as built up as you seem to think though.


18. Why does Desmond jump through time? What exactly was "special" about him?
I believe Ziggy can quantify this one for you.

19. What was Eloise's motivation? Why was she ok with sending Daniel back if she knew he'd die?
Because she isnt as ******ed as you. She was preserving the timeline because ****ing around with time travel is dumb.

20. What was Dogen's/the temple's power that kept smokey out until Dogen died?
Probably this was just a Jacob rule. It is entirely irrelevant.

21. Why did Jack think Adam and Eve were only 50 years old?
Because he is an MD and not a forensic scientist with decades of experience and a carbon dating lab in his back pocket. And because its a TV show.

22. What exactly was "the loophole" that MiB used to have Jacob killed?
Surely you are levelling. No one is this ******ed.

23. If Jacob was simply looking for someone willing to give everything they had for the island, then wtf was so wrong with Ben that Jacob wouldn't even talk to him for years? Ben, while quite selfish at times, definitely did have a love for the island all along.
He probably met him as a kid and thought he was a tool.

24. Remember the snow globe and moon theories? Why exactly is the island so hard to find? Why do you have to leave on an exact bearing? How did the Others travel to and from it so easily whereas it was so tough for other people?
Because it is shielded with electromagnetism and other science so advanced you would need a theoretical physicist to cover some theories. The Others knew because Jacob left a tiny door to enter and leave and only told them ldo.

25. What happens when someone is "infected"? How were Sayid and Claire changed back to being good? Why did Claire leave her baby and wonder off in the first place?
It had been a while since she saw her dad and it seemed like an opportune time for a chat. Infected is when MiB takes control of people just like he did to Rousseau's fiance/boyfriend/husband/whatever. The "spell" was broken because you can never truly break someone's free will.

26. What exactly did the bomb at the end of season 5 do?
IT was the incident. It opened up the light causing a vast electromagnetic pulse and threatened the entire place.

27. What were the rules, how did Jacob(or whomever else) get the power to make them, how were they enforced, how come they could sometimes be broken?
WTF is wrong with you, stop being such a nit.

28. What was Illana's story? She knew a ton and had met Jacob off island, yet she just died unexpectedly.
She was Plan B and always was. She died because the island was done with her.

29. How or why did Miles have his powers? Apart from him, nobody off island had any strange powers so its kinda weird to have a show full of normal people but then have one person with superpowers, no?
Lots of people have powers including the psychic who Claire met. Psychic powers exist in the Lostiverse

30. Why did Widamore want Rousseau's baby dead? Why did Ben raise her?
Because Widmore is a dick. Because Ben is less of a dick.


I'm sure I could go on and on.....
I hope you dont. Most of this is grade A nittery to entirely irrelivent nothingness points of vague interest.
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05-24-2010 , 07:11 PM
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the fact that Vagos and Phil disagree on the questions I posed is pretty good evidence that they weren't really answered (besides a couple I listed)
No, it's pretty good evidence that a lot of it is left up to your own interpretation. You don't have to like that. Some people have different levels of demand for information on different mysteries.

In terms of "What is the island?" it's such a broad question. Phil is right in that it was explained (mostly in Jacob/Richard's "cork" discussion). But there is a lot about the Light and the smoke monster that can be interpreted differently. I personally like this aspect of the good/evil story.
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05-24-2010 , 07:11 PM
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I think I would have been happier if Assani wrote the final season lol (not the first 5, but def the last.)
As someone who has been a defender of the last season, I agree with you that it definitely could've been better. However, with the direction they chose to go in, I think they did it almost as well as possible - and the finale was fantastic.
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