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05-24-2010 , 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
This is "where did the island come from" all over again.

They CANT say they went to heaven, or hell, or were reincarnated, or where beamed up to an alien spaceship hiding behind a comet. The point of the show is not to suggest what happens after you die and set up some kind of pseudo religion to come out of the show.

The show cant cover the big questions like this and if it did it would at best lead to bigger questions or more likely just lead to pissing off 80% of people who follow a different spiritual belief system, be it atheist, hindu, christian or so on.
So they CAN'T say they went to heaven or hell, but they CAN say they are never able to leave whatever-you-may-call-the-limbo-the-whisperers-are -stuck-in. "I'm stuck here because of what I did"

Let's examine what Michael did: He killed two innocent people because he saw it as the only way to save his beloved son, and then eventually died by deliberately letting himself blow up by a pile of C4 to save everyone else.

Let's examine what Sayid did: He tortured and killed numerous innocent people on and off island, walked around the island with a friggin atom bomb sticking out of his backpack and in the end... guess what? Deliberately let himself blow up by C4 to save everyone else.....

One goes to heaven or [insert happy afterlife of your choice]), one is stuck in eternal whisper-limbo.
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05-24-2010 , 03:21 PM
i don't think we should read too deeply into who was at the reunion and who wasn't. it probably had to do with logistics and money more than anything else.
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05-24-2010 , 03:23 PM
WTF happen to walt thats all i care about
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05-24-2010 , 03:23 PM
In this sense I think Lost is incredible. I've never watched another TV show that had me thinking more between episodes and had me more interested in next week's episode.

In this sense Lost was a tremendous failure. I've never had more questions about a TV show and never felt more let down by a TV show.

Everyone is saying well you were foolish if you thought you were going to get all of the answers last night or even this season. I've kinda taken that mindset all season, but now today the more and more I read and hear about the show the more disappointed I'm getting. I think the writers were intelligent enough to come up with better than what they showed us. Here's an example of something that makes no sense and easily could have been better explained. We're to believe that Charles Widemore created a fake plane crash at the bottom of the ocean to hide the isalnd so the Losties are never rescued. He spends the majority of his time, when he could be doing literally anything else with his wealth and business responsibilites, to manipulating the Losties and Others as much as possible. He brings a whole team of scientists to the island in order to stop MIB and there's a serious overtone of an epic war the size of Star Wars and all World Wars combined. Even Flocke says "well I guess its started now". So we're to believe that all of the preparation Widemore has taken, all of the concern he has for his cause. He's just going to waltz over to MIB's side of the island under the careful protection of some 40 yr old female scientist? And the dramatic conclusion is I walk into a closest and you come in and kill me? Moments like this will go down as the most frustrating most epic fail moments in TV history imo.
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05-24-2010 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by mused01
i don't think we should read too deeply into who was at the reunion and who wasn't. it probably had to do with logistics and money more than anything else.
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According to ABC and Lost insiders, Adewale was offered a hearty sum to do one scene in the last hurrah, but the actor wanted five times the amount that was offered. It didn't work out.
http://lostmediamentions.blogspot.co...uest-spot.html
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05-24-2010 , 03:26 PM
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not really, as i pointed out in that thread we never learn how the island got to the bottom of the ocean
Sure we do, the bottom of it was eaten by a giant red herring which caused it to sink.
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05-24-2010 , 03:28 PM
I agree that the entire handling of the Widmore storyline this season was terrible. It would have been way better if he had been there to help FREE SMOKEY, than to return to help Jacob. It would make perfect sense that he would try to exploit the smoke monster for financial gain, or world domination even.

His redemption was totally unnecessary, and his death was completely arbitrary. The back and forth of ben being bad back to good was also ridiculous. Once he said "Who else do I have to kill", he should have just permanently reverted to his old ways... IN FACT... he could have told hurley that he was going down to see if Jack was okay, and then he could have become a smoke monster!!

HOW IS THERE NO NEW SMOKE MONSTER??!?!!!!

pfff, what a gyp.
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05-24-2010 , 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Thundercat32
He's just going to waltz over to MIB's side of the island under the careful protection of some 40 yr old female scientist? And the dramatic conclusion is I walk into a closest and you come in and kill me?
Haha, spot on.
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05-24-2010 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Halowax
I think we are supposed to assume that it was Jughead, no? I actually think that it is pretty cool that they never explained whether or not the original incident was Jughead being detonated or not. That season 5 finale was soooo good.
I don't think that's the case, especially since Jack dies there. Also if anyone can explain how/why Jack bleeds from his neck in the purgatory line where flock stabs him
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05-24-2010 , 03:29 PM
the entire Widmore storyline is a giant disappointment, they had no clue what to do with him
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05-24-2010 , 03:32 PM
I'm happy to see that the majority of the people who are hating on this finale and last season, are people who are bad at lost in general. (Not all, but most)

A lot of complaints of questions being unanswered.
As far as I'm concerned most if not all of the important questions were given answers satisfactorily to be able to use your creativeness and form your own conclusion. That's what LOST is about. (This and the character redemption being most important)

If they started giving you clearly stated answers you, the haters, would not be satisfied and it would ruin the show for people who are able to form their own ideas and opinions based on less information.

Notice ATS received the most hate.
It gave you answers. It happened to not be the answers you YOU WANTED. In doing so seem to open new question that you again wanted answered for.

IMO they may have answered too many questions, but I understand for the causal viewer this needs to be done to a certain degree.

I loved the Finale and am very surprised that I didn't come on here and this thread was filled with praise. You all were looking for clearly written out answers that you should have been aware before going into viewing the finale was not going to happen. (IMO would have been awful if they went that route)
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05-24-2010 , 03:32 PM
Pudge,

I think what I wanted was OMG LOST moment to turn into "Ohh..... LOST!" when I realized what was up. At some point clearly they couldn't keep going for shock. However, I just wish that some of the explanations had be satisfying. Yeah- they still might never have lived up to the anticipation that was created, but that doesn't excuse the degree to which they failed to delivery on much of it at all. (and to be clear, my beef isn't really with the unanswered questions, but more the way in which the ones that were answered was both unsatisfying, and rendered the other questions pointless).
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05-24-2010 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by NuklearWinter
I find it an incredible stretch that a character like Jack can go about murdering people, then without any repentance move on to any kind of "heaven".
Simple, If Jack doesnt kill anyone they would not of set off the bomb ->the plane would never of crashed -> they would of never saved the island/killed the MiB -> the world would end.
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05-24-2010 , 03:35 PM
This thread is so full of fail, but of course, these LOST threads always are. I think it's hilarious your idiots thought you'd get all these answers and not a finale which was open-ended and full of questions.

For the record, I've loved this show from the start, every plotline and character were fantastic - even the weaker ones - and the finale was perfect.

Bravo to the LOST creators, cast sand crew...they really did a fine job over the six seasons.

But I'll never understand why so many of you come into threads like these to bash something you obviously didn't like. Why watch it??
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05-24-2010 , 03:37 PM
I think everyone will have a much better appreciation for having a bunch of the questions answered in this final season if they rewatch every other season with someone who has never seen it and wait and see how many of their questions you can answer.
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05-24-2010 , 03:39 PM
I think the show is what you make of it. There are so many possibilities as to what really happened. I mean even the obvious ending that people were guessing before the show ever aired its first episode of "They are all dead on the island", could in fact have happened. The entire show could have been Jack finding himself in the afterlife. I am not saying this is correct, nor am I saying I believe this. But it is what you make of it. It is a story about life in itself, just a lot more interesting than any life any of us will ever live.

You're born, **** happens, and then you die.

For those people that think the entire show was a waste. That you wasted precious time and it was pointless. I beg to point out that your life is more than likely far more pointless then this show. And your perception of life and reality is sad.

It got you hooked, it made you interested. You anticipated it every week for six years. And in the end, you don't have any answers, just an appreciation. This show is what you make of it, and so is your life.
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05-24-2010 , 03:40 PM
Sigh. Idiots.

The reason you managed to think this finale was awesome and "feel good" was because of your amazing inability to extrapolate what happens to everyone after the island.

If everything that happened on the island really did happen, which they made it clear that it did, and if there was no flash sideways, just purgatory, then everybody's life was a ****ing miserable waste.

The Kwons kid? Grows up without her parents because they ****ing died for nothing.

Jack? Died putting a cork in the ground. That's neat, you had a purpose. Too bad you'll never be able to enjoy a happy life because it killed you.

Hurley and Ben? Gonna sit around staring at a light for a few thousand years. Ben can hate himself for getting his daughter killed the whole time. Hurley will never have fried chicken again. I'm sure they'll really enjoy that ****.

Kate? Going back to regular life, no big deal. It will probably be real easy to just integrate into society as an outlaw on the run for murder, with the person you love dead on an island, but that's cool because when you die in 40 years you can see them again. Just 40 years of misery. No big deal.

Claire? Bordering on psychotic, same thing with the love of her life being dead. I'm sure Aaron will just accept and be overjoyed this disheveled freak is his mom. Maybe 50-60 years of waiting to die.

Sawyer? Yeah, your lady died setting off a nuclear bomb that did nothing. Oops, sucks for you. Enjoy your miserable life alone too. At least with his lifestyle it will probably only be 30 years of ****ty life back in the real world.

Lapidus? None of the island **** had anything to do with you at all, but good luck with your post traumatic stress disorder from dealing with everybody else's problems.

Miles? You were pointless, but man do you have some one-liners! I'm sure he really felt that he had a purpose in everything. He definitely did.... Oh never mind. Just followed everyone around, being useless.

Desmond? Probably the only thing close to a happy ending. Get to be with your wife and kid. Rad. Granted, almost all of your friends died. But you've got a yacht still!

Penny? Oooooh. Not so good for you. Dad dead. Ouch, rough one, good luck dealing with that.

Yeah, it was the best, most happiest ending ever. Jesus christ you ****sticks who care so much about the characters can't realize that ending is probably one of the worst things to happen to them? YOU SPEND YOUR ENTIRE LIFE WAITING TO DIE SO YOU CAN FINALLY BE HAPPY. It'd be better to bash your head into a rock and just get to a happy place then have this bull****, made-up excuse of an ending.
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05-24-2010 , 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by LoosenUp
I'm happy to see that the majority of the people who are hating on this finale and last season, are people who are bad at lost in general. (Not all, but most)

A lot of complaints of questions being unanswered.
As far as I'm concerned most if not all of the important questions were given answers satisfactorily to be able to use your creativeness and form your own conclusion. That's what LOST is about. (This and the character redemption being most important)

If they started giving you clearly stated answers you, the haters, would not be satisfied and it would ruin the show for people who are able to form their own ideas and opinions based on less information.

Notice ATS received the most hate.
It gave you answers. It happened to not be the answers you YOU WANTED. In doing so seem to open new question that you again wanted answered for.

IMO they may have answered too many questions, but I understand for the causal viewer this needs to be done to a certain degree.

I loved the Finale and am very surprised that I didn't come on here and this thread was filled with praise. You all were looking for clearly written out answers that you should have been aware before going into viewing the finale was not going to happen. (IMO would have been awful if they went that route)
bold claims my friend. Anybody who says "Thats what Lost is about" is a little too confident imo. Also being bad or good at Lost is a funny concept, probably bred from arrogance and ignorance.

I know the Lost creators said its a show about the characters. They said it at the end of the Lost retrospective right before the series finale. So obviously they were hinting at the ending being what it was. I learned from ZBT, that most press conferences are bullssssh anyways. LeBron James has been asked all season are you staying or leaving the Cavs? What's he going to say. He's going to say he loves Cleveland but is going to make the best decision for his family, blah, blah, blah....

Who knows what the Lost creators started out making the show about. Did they really make it about characters from the beginning or did they have trouble tying up all of the loose ends so it spun into a character driven finale? The only thing we know is they wound up with a character driven finale so they're going to tell you thats what it was all about from the beginning. That doesn't make people "bad at Lost" for questioning earlier plotlines from the show.
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05-24-2010 , 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
This thread is so full of fail, but of course, these LOST threads always are. I think it's hilarious your idiots thought you'd get all these answers and not a finale which was open-ended and full of questions.

For the record, I've loved this show from the start, every plotline and character were fantastic - even the weaker ones - and the finale was perfect.

Bravo to the LOST creators, cast sand crew...they really did a fine job over the six seasons.

But I'll never understand why so many of you come into threads like these to bash something you obviously didn't like. Why watch it??
I can only speak for myself and I don't think I'm "bashing" LOST. I criticize season 6 not because I hate LOST, but because I liked it enough to feel dissapointed when I have the feeling the writers chose the "easy way out". You loved it from ep 01-01 to ep 06-17. Good for you, and in fact I envy you. I personally didn't like the way season six turned and think there was WAY more potential in LOST than this. I'd appreciate not to be called an idiot for that. Thanks.
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05-24-2010 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
This thread is so full of fail, but of course, these LOST threads always are. I think it's hilarious your idiots thought you'd get all these answers and not a finale which was open-ended and full of questions.

For the record, I've loved this show from the start, every plotline and character were fantastic - even the weaker ones - and the finale was perfect.

Bravo to the LOST creators, cast sand crew...they really did a fine job over the six seasons.

But I'll never understand why so many of you come into threads like these to bash something you obviously didn't like. Why watch it??
amen

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Originally Posted by killa
WTF happen to walt thats all i care about
His life wasn't all about the island and the losties after all. (As Christian Shepherd said: The Losties created this alt-reality to find each other and move on because they are the most important part of their lives)
Walt got to live a life off island and therefor has his own "purgatory" or "alt-reality" with his memories of his friends/love/life (if he even has to have one).
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05-24-2010 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Thundercat32
bold claims my friend. Anybody who says "Thats what Lost is about" is a little too confident imo. Also being bad or good at Lost is a funny concept, probably bred from arrogance and ignorance.

I know the Lost creators said its a show about the characters. They said it at the end of the Lost retrospective right before the series finale. So obviously they were hinting at the ending being what it was. I learned from ZBT, that most press conferences are bullssssh anyways. LeBron James has been asked all season are you staying or leaving the Cavs? What's he going to say. He's going to say he loves Cleveland but is going to make the best decision for his family, blah, blah, blah....

Who knows what the Lost creators started out making the show about. Did they really make it about characters from the beginning or did they have trouble tying up all of the loose ends so it spun into a character driven finale? The only thing we know is they wound up with a character driven finale so they're going to tell you thats what it was all about from the beginning. That doesn't make people "bad at Lost" for questioning earlier plotlines from the show.
best post in this entire thread.
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05-24-2010 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by pokertugft
Sigh. Idiots.

The reason you managed to think this finale was awesome and "feel good" was because of your amazing inability to extrapolate what happens to everyone after the island.

If everything that happened on the island really did happen, which they made it clear that it did, and if there was no flash sideways, just purgatory, then everybody's life was a ****ing miserable waste.

The Kwons kid? Grows up without her parents because they ****ing died for nothing.

Jack? Died putting a cork in the ground. That's neat, you had a purpose. Too bad you'll never be able to enjoy a happy life because it killed you.

Hurley and Ben? Gonna sit around staring at a light for a few thousand years. Ben can hate himself for getting his daughter killed the whole time. Hurley will never have fried chicken again. I'm sure they'll really enjoy that ****.

Kate? Going back to regular life, no big deal. It will probably be real easy to just integrate into society as an outlaw on the run for murder, with the person you love dead on an island, but that's cool because when you die in 40 years you can see them again. Just 40 years of misery. No big deal.

Claire? Bordering on psychotic, same thing with the love of her life being dead. I'm sure Aaron will just accept and be overjoyed this disheveled freak is his mom. Maybe 50-60 years of waiting to die.

Sawyer? Yeah, your lady died setting off a nuclear bomb that did nothing. Oops, sucks for you. Enjoy your miserable life alone too. At least with his lifestyle it will probably only be 30 years of ****ty life back in the real world.

Lapidus? None of the island **** had anything to do with you at all, but good luck with your post traumatic stress disorder from dealing with everybody else's problems.

Miles? You were pointless, but man do you have some one-liners! I'm sure he really felt that he had a purpose in everything. He definitely did.... Oh never mind. Just followed everyone around, being useless.

Desmond? Probably the only thing close to a happy ending. Get to be with your wife and kid. Rad. Granted, almost all of your friends died. But you've got a yacht still!

Penny? Oooooh. Not so good for you. Dad dead. Ouch, rough one, good luck dealing with that.

Yeah, it was the best, most happiest ending ever. Jesus christ you ****sticks who care so much about the characters can't realize that ending is probably one of the worst things to happen to them? YOU SPEND YOUR ENTIRE LIFE WAITING TO DIE SO YOU CAN FINALLY BE HAPPY. It'd be better to bash your head into a rock and just get to a happy place then have this bull****, made-up excuse of an ending.
no, u
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05-24-2010 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
This thread is so full of fail, but of course, these LOST threads always are. I think it's hilarious your idiots thought you'd get all these answers and not a finale which was open-ended and full of questions.

For the record, I've loved this show from the start, every plotline and character were fantastic - even the weaker ones - and the finale was perfect.

Bravo to the LOST creators, cast sand crew...they really did a fine job over the six seasons.

But I'll never understand why so many of you come into threads like these to bash something you obviously didn't like. Why watch it??
The part we liked was the stuff they just never explained. Why is this so difficult for you guys to understand?

I still say if you polled every person who watched this show from beginning to end, well over 50% of them would agree that it was a story-driven show and are disappointed at how many things they ignored. Just because the writers wanted it to be a character-driven show doesn't mean that's actually what it was, and just because YOU enjoyed the characters more than the story doesn't mean your opinion is right.
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05-24-2010 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Colonial Bread
Simple, If Jack doesnt kill anyone they would not of set off the bomb ->the plane would never of crashed -> they would of never saved the island/killed the MiB -> the world would end.
ah ok. Good to know the way into heaven is for people to kill innocents so a chain reaction of events can happen to save the world. Makes perfect sense. Thanks.
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05-24-2010 , 03:47 PM
I seriously don't get all of the finale was perfect responses. Seriously? They might as well of all just held hands and skipped right out of the church into a field of daisies. Way too touchy, feely for me. And where did I miss the part where this series has been all about touchy, feely moments?

nah, perfect would of been something more along the lines of Jacob bestows some special power on Jack where he can never die like Richard. Then Jack tricks MIB into some sick demise as lots of action and subplotting is going on. Imo, the fact Desmond was lowered into the waterfall 50 some odd minutes into the show last night was a failure all by itself.

I didn't think the finale was perfect at all.

Edit: I'm not saying I hated the finale or season 6. I actually loved this season, not so much the finale. I'm just saying the finale was not perfect. Perfect would mean when you dreamed about how you wanted the show to end thats exactly what it looked like last night. And last night is not what I dreamed up.
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