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05-24-2010 , 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by cres
Not sure if you are "aired TV" only types, but in any and all interviews about the finale, there was 1 and only 1 ending. The Kimmel stuff was always meant to be a parody. It was an extention of the therapy sessions for the cast, the fake blooper reels, more hype and pump from a fellow network show who has a history of straight in your face product placement and marketing.
ok, well I read zero spoilers, and if somebody had bothered to tell me that this time around the alternate endings weren't really aternatve endings, I wouldn't have watched. but of course they couldn't come out and say so b/c they knew that nobody would have bothered to actually stay up for that

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No one made you watch, you chose to.
wtf? if you think that is the point you are v v dense
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05-24-2010 , 02:26 PM
I had no idea until I read here that those endings were going to be a parody, but I just wasn't going to stay up to watch them cus I knew they'd be online at some point
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05-24-2010 , 02:27 PM
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A few logistical questions:

How do you guys think Jacob found the candidates? The mirror in the lighthouse?

Did Jack have this or similar powers at any point during his very very limited time in charge? Did Hurley?

How did Jacob leave the island? Was this a 'magic' thing or like, him literally taking a boat?
none of this stuff matters, the story is just about the characters, but only some of them, and he's not one of them
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05-24-2010 , 02:28 PM
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Hah - not sure where you're getting "christian" as that clearly is not where their ideas came from...

In Lost world - I guess it would appear that people can find redemption - even if they've committed horrible atrocities..

Apparently that's not allowed in the land where they worship NuklearWinter
Well the ending was a in a church with religious symbols from major religions, then we get the white light, etc. Seemed pretty obvious as most would agree they were in purgatory and moved on to an afterlife.

I don't believe in any kind of biblical heaven or hell, but most people seem to believe the characters all met up so than can move on to such a place.

I find it an incredible stretch that a character like Jack can go about murdering people, then without any repentance move on to any kind of "heaven".
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05-24-2010 , 02:30 PM
Okay, read up to post 1200


Count me as a person who "liked" the final episode, but overall left feeling a bit unsatisfied for the series.

For those of you who said it has been a character driven show, it that really the reason individual episode post got over 700 replies each week? People speculating over if Kate and Sawyer would kiss this week? If charlie was really Claire's soulmate? The hook of the show was the plot(fueled by the mysteries) for the majority of the years.

I understand that not everything would be answered, but I had faith, as Lost has always come up big in its finales. I guess my biggest problem in retrospect is that every season has had a "pull-back" to a deeper perspective.

Season 1&2: Show appears to be about survival and conflict of cooperation of people with weird, intertwining back stories. Island is spooky and special. Other people and weird monsters live here. Other people don't want inhabitants to leave and are hostile. The fight between the two will be really important to survive or be rescued.

Season 3: Psyche! Those people live there as part of a modern society. They're society is the main focus and how the castaways will fit or fight with it. (Last second twist, find out they get off the island)

Season 4: NOPE! You see, other people had inhabited the island and their coming to fight with the current inhabitants. The old conflict of losties and others doesn't matter any more. Its Ben vs. Widmore people. Thats the central conflict.


Season5: Pshahh, right. The island in now traveling through time. Forget the conflicts of current time, we're dealing with a conflict lasting 1,000s of years people! That guy Ben has been saying he takes his orders from is an Eternal Figure. The real conflict is him and his antithesis. All these billionaires are pawns along with everyone else. These Gods are the major conflict.

Season 6: TOO SLOW! That might not even be the real reality. Here's another one to check out. BTW, Gods aren't really God's, their sort of an allegory. In the end, just about the people because we answers/sense/logic doesn't matter.


At the time, so many seemed like an awesome twist; at its completion it leaves the perspective of making so much of the experience of watching earlier events meaningless.
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05-24-2010 , 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by NuklearWinter
Well the ending was a in a church with religious symbols from major religions, then we get the white light, etc. Seemed pretty obvious as most would agree they were in purgatory and moved on to an afterlife.

I don't believe in any kind of biblical heaven or hell, but most people seem to believe the characters all met up so than can move on to such a place.

I find it an incredible stretch that a character like Jack can go about murdering people, then without any repentance move on to any kind of "heaven".
the all redeemed themselves, jack by staying behind to protect the island
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05-24-2010 , 02:32 PM
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Do people really believe all the characters went to heaven at the end?

Half the characters killed and tortured others! Many, many times! We’re supposed to believe the only one not worthy of heaven is Linus? What the ****!? There was killing, torture, cons, beatings, stealing, kidnapping, forced imprisonment, cruelty, etc. etc. Are you ****ing kidding me they all go to heaven or some kind of blissful afterlife?

What a ****ing joke


Let's all smile about everything... hey remember the 11 times I beat Linus in the head? Oh hey, remember all those people I killed because I didn't know what was going on with "the others"... Remember those dharma guys I shot? ah **** it all anyways, I'm going to heaven because I'm a Christian!
[ ] understands the concept of heaven
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05-24-2010 , 02:32 PM
They didnt go to heaven. That is just your monotheistic Christian upbringing that lead you to that conclusion.

They specifically avoided saying what was coming, the whole point is they would discover it together.

As for the alt endings wtf are you complaining about? It was well known beforehand there were no actual other endings. Hence keeping it all a secret. When a comedy programme says they will do something its safe to assume it wont be a canonical representation of what did or could have happened in a serious show.
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05-24-2010 , 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Loss Tee
Hah - not sure where you're getting "christian" as that clearly is not where their ideas came from...

In Lost world - I guess it would appear that people can find redemption - even if they've committed horrible atrocities..
wat
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05-24-2010 , 02:35 PM
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the all redeemed themselves, jack by staying behind to protect the island
Ok, what about everyone else? Same thing? They all redeemed themselves by helping protect the island? Everyone except for Linus and a few other characters that had smaller roles?

Half the characters just wanted to leave and didn't care about protecting the island, murdered/tortured/etc. but yet ended up in the "heaven" setting at the end.
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05-24-2010 , 02:36 PM
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They didnt go to heaven. That is just your monotheistic Christian upbringing that lead you to that conclusion.
I'm not saying they necessarily did, but it's a huge lol to suggest they couldn't for the reasons mentioned.
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05-24-2010 , 02:37 PM
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[ ] understands the concept of heaven
lol, please define "heaven". It is whatever you believe it to be.


not to mention... I was asking if people actually believed this was the ending that everyone went to heaven.
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05-24-2010 , 02:37 PM
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also the "Alternate Endings" fiasco is so apropros, the last "**** you" to all fans they could muster up

*not sure who "they" is
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ok, well I read zero spoilers, and if somebody had bothered to tell me that this time around the alternate endings weren't really aternatve endings, I wouldn't have watched. but of course they couldn't come out and say so b/c they knew that nobody would have bothered to actually stay up for that


wtf? if you think that is the point you are v v dense
dense? you wanted them to what, produce a show like Clue!, with 3 separate endings, and depending on where you watched them you either got #1, 2, or 3?
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Three endings were shot, and a different one shown at each theater. All three are included on video. The DVD, however, aside from all three endings, also offers the option to play the movie with one randomly selected ending. In some cities, the newspaper print ads indicated which version ("Ending A", "Ending B" or "Ending C") was being shown at each theater.
The big reason they filmed so many alt endings for the coffin reveal was to keep some sense of secrecy for the show. Sawyer, Sayid, or Jack would have done what for the show, it wouldn't have been pertinent to the plot. Think about it for a minute, Sawyer cruising the island as smokie? Not likely.
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05-24-2010 , 02:39 PM
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As for the alt endings wtf are you complaining about? It was well known beforehand there were no actual other endings.
so, someone that avoided spoilers could have known this? link please?


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When a comedy programme says they will do something its safe to assume it wont be a canonical representation of what did or could have happened in a serious show.
what if it aired on Good Morning America? we would have assumed it was serious? do you have a decoder ring which tells you this stuff?
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05-24-2010 , 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by cres
dense? you wanted them to what, produce a show like Clue!, with 3 separate endings, and depending on where you watched them you either got #1, 2, or 3?

The big reason they filmed so many alt endings for the coffin reveal was to keep some sense of secrecy for the show. Sawyer, Sayid, or Jack would have done what for the show, it wouldn't have been pertinent to the plot. Think about it for a minute, Sawyer cruising the island as smokie? Not likely.
you are easily the dumbest poster in Lost threads.

I never said anything like the above, and I clearly wasn't the only one who expected "alternate endings" to be "alternate endings" like Lost has done in the past

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The big reason they filmed so many alt endings for the coffin reveal was to keep some sense of secrecy for the show.
so they were more concerned about secrecy involving a season finale than the entire series finale. gotcha.
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05-24-2010 , 02:42 PM
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Ok, what about everyone else? Same thing? They all redeemed themselves by helping protect the island? Everyone except for Linus and a few other characters that had smaller roles?

Half the characters just wanted to leave and didn't care about protecting the island, murdered/tortured/etc. but yet ended up in the "heaven" setting at the end.
This is "where did the island come from" all over again.

They CANT say they went to heaven, or hell, or were reincarnated, or where beamed up to an alien spaceship hiding behind a comet. The point of the show is not to suggest what happens after you die and set up some kind of pseudo religion to come out of the show.

The show cant cover the big questions like this and if it did it would at best lead to bigger questions or more likely just lead to pissing off 80% of people who follow a different spiritual belief system, be it atheist, hindu, christian or so on.
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05-24-2010 , 02:42 PM
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lol, please define "heaven". It is whatever you believe it to be.
Yeah, it's silly to suggest that it might be a Christian concept of heaven given that the series ended with a character named Christian Shephard opening a door containing a bunch of dead people which revealed a huge bright light.

The fact that those people did terrible things does not prevent them from reaching a Christian heaven.
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05-24-2010 , 02:43 PM
also, LOL @ Matthew Fox parading around for years "knowing" how the series would "end," and being the only cast member with such sensitive info. Clearly implying that he knew the resolution

"I knew the last scene would be a close up of Jack's eye closing."

I'm pretty sure 3/4 of the entire internet has predicted that for about 4 yrs now.
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05-24-2010 , 02:43 PM
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They didnt go to heaven. That is just your monotheistic Christian upbringing that lead you to that conclusion.
UMMMMM... NO.

My post was asking other people if that's actually what they believed since many had posted that is what they generally believed.

I do not believe in a Biblical "heaven" or "hell" because the concept is preposterous and ludicrous.
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05-24-2010 , 02:45 PM
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you are easily the dumbest poster in Lost threads.

I never said anything like the above, and I clearly wasn't the only one who expected "alternate endings" to be "alternate endings" like Lost has done in the past
yeah, well i'm not the one whining he had to stay up an extra hour to watch Kimmel on Sunday night. Again, you WANTED to watch it. Like the other posted said, they would have been posted online by this am. Talk about stupid.
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05-24-2010 , 02:46 PM
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I'm not saying they necessarily did, but it's a huge lol to suggest they couldn't for the reasons mentioned.
Exactly. Im not saying they didnt go to heaven like they actually went to Valhalla, im saying that it is your own personal conclusion as to where they went. If you are Christian then just assume they step into the light and meet St Paul at the gates and you are judged for your past sins.

Did this show have the line "everyone dies alone" at some point in it as a significant speech? It was a really key line from some show recently and contrasts with what Christian said to Jack but im not sure what that came from.
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05-24-2010 , 02:46 PM
Generally satisfied with the finale, though I think Jack becoming a smoke Monster when the light came on would have been way better. I mean, why didn't he?

Not sure what everyone is confused about with the ending in the alt time, they just took an easy indefinite way out, with some shallow metaphysical undertones...

"There is no here, there is no now"

Now, we just interpret it whatever way we want... purgatory... infinite realities... circle of life... who cares? The only reason it happened that way was for artistic purposes to they could emotionally manipulate the audience with Jack's eye closing, and a sweet fade to white.

Whatever, it worked.
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05-24-2010 , 02:46 PM
There should be a collection of [Phill] posts at the beginning of the thread, so people can read before making spastic comments.
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05-24-2010 , 02:48 PM
what if when they walked into that light, they walked into that alt-timeline? eh eh eh?
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05-24-2010 , 02:48 PM
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Again, you WANTED to watch it.
I WANTED to watch it b/c I thought they would be real, just like they were 2 years ago!! is this so hard to understand?

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Like the other posted said, they would have been posted online by this am. Talk about stupid.
yeah and the finale is on Hulu now too. I could have watched that this morning too, but somehow I wanted to watch it right away! weird!
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