lol
my brother who has never seen an episode was on the couch and saw the first 5 minutes of the series re-hash with me and was like "Uh there is no way those people could survive a crash like that".

what? i'm pretty sure Nadia was a reality too..

There's an interesting parallel between the characters "letting go" at the end in order to move on, and the viewer "letting go" of the whole single-minded need for answers to all the mysteries.

We now know for sure what we've suspected the last few seasons - that the island and all its mysteries were of course a MacGuffin, a hook to entice us and around which a bunch of character stories could be developed. Yes, a convoluted six-season mess of a MacGuffin, but I guess that's what happens when you have six seasons to fill rather than say a 12-episode miniseries, and you don't want your characters just sitting around a campfire on the beach every episode.

It's unfortunate that the hook was so interesting that so many liked it so much more than the character stories. I did too, at first. But gradually I succumbed to the writers' evil plot, and cared less about the island and more about the characters, and the finale was really the perfect final piece in accepting all this and "letting go" of the island mystery. I thought it was an excellent ending, and although I'm not normally a fan of the religious/spiritual stuff, I found it very fitting conclusion to the characters' journeys in this show.

I do sympathize with those that didn't make this transition and remained more interested in the island story. By definition a MacGuffin is ultimately unimportant to the overall plot and destined to be unexplained, and it becomes a cruel joke if that's the only part of the story you're really interested in. Those that cannot let go of that part of the story are of course going to resent the finale and indeed the entire series, and that's unfortunate.

The only thing I gathered from this episode was that the writers had no idea what they were doing and this is what made "the ride" so awesome. Unfortunately it caused the end to be a pretty lame (along with the last 2 seasons).

I think there are a lot of parallels between religion and lost, they are both bull****.

Overall though I can accept the end and take the show for what it was. I just wish it turned out to be half the show I thought it was going to be during the earlier seasons when I thought the mystery was going to be solved.

Absolutely loved the finale! Very content with everything and honestly don't think I will like another tv show this much ever.

Time to dig up my posts about thinking Sayid's true love was Shannon the whole time while the vast majority of you guys insulted me (and the few others on my side).

Wow, this is very, very well said. Already getting sick of the rando donks on facebook that have been long time fans and are bitching about not getting every last island answer.

no, the losties were in 1977. If they did nothing, then in 2004 the plane would crash


By detonating the bomb, the plane doesn't crash in 2004. You cant just say "it's purgatory" because at some point, in the year 2004, a plane crashes. The losties either changed the future or caused their own crash.

Chicken/egg again

yeah i just kinda skimmed pages 10 and 11 of this thread. need to unsubscribe. some of you are just brutal nags.

not in their relationship to each other and their time spent on the island.
Sayid and Shannon were in love together on the island while as I recall Sayid was in love with Nadia but hadn't seen her in ages etc. As I recall Shannon was the one who also tried to convince or did that Sayid was in fact a good man blah blah blah.

So in terms of their all needing to move on together because of the intense shared experience on "the island" that was the most profound thing in their lives...Shannon > Nadia for Sayid. Boone's huge connection to Jack and also Locke is fairly obvious.

Also I get the feeling the only reason Ben was even at the church was because he was waiting for John Locke, he never planned on "going inside".

Wish Charlotte and Faraday had a bit more intense scene together. Same for Penny remembering Desmond from the non afterlife.

you seemed to have missed the point of Christian and Jack's conversation.

They caused their own crash.

The H bomb WAS the incident. Whatever happened, happened. Just like Faraday going back in time to march to his own death which had already happened. When Richard is shown a photo of them he says "ya they were dharma and they all died." Clearly it was perceived on the island that some dharma wackos blew up a pocket of energy and it became the swan site which had to keep that energy at bay.

Good post pankwindu. I never had a problem with the island as unexplained and just there to drive the characters and plot along their way, even in my "advanced tech" proposal the power of the island is ultimately mysterious. My only bone to pick was over the writers ditching one major development after another only to wind up (imo) somewhere terribly uninteresting. I thought the writers explicitly said that they wouldn't take it down this road (purgatory, they're dead, etc) and to find out this is where they wound up is very annoying.

even if Shannon appeared in the finale, it doesn't prove that Shannon is Sayid's love of his life as promised by the MiB.

What it does prove is Jack knew Shannon and Jack did not know Nadia.


Also, the entire Sayid story arc REVOLVES around Nadia, not some girl he banged on a tropical island for 2 weeks.

i'm not denying that. I'm still trying to sort through wtf is going on.

The mystery was solved

I'm on the fence about the ending.

The main arc seems to be Jack finding redemption in converting himself from a man of science to a man of faith, which I absolutely hate personally. That doesn't make it bad in general, just not my thing at all. Obviously Jack's transition had been a theme throughout and they made a ton of religious references throughout the series, but I personally found it disappointing that it was all about that in the end.

I think the ending did tie that up well but, like Dids said, the show turned out to be not close to as good as I thought it would be at basically any point in the first 5 seasons.

But here's the problem.

- The Losties detonated an H-bomb on a 25 sq mi island. If there was no pocket of energy around, everyone dies.

- The pocket of energy neutralized the H bomb blast so not everyone dies.

- The serial numbers (the numbers) were hammered into the hatch.

- That hatch is blown the **** up by Jack/co in the s5 finale.

- In order for Oceanic 815 to have crashed, Desmond needs to be inside the hatch, that has the numbers hammered into the door. He can't be inside of that particular hatch since if they rebuilt the hatch after the Hbomb, there will be different numbers on the door because it's a different serial number.

Hence, they changed what happened.

Also, what happened, happened and dead is dead doesn't really apply to lost, since Sayid is a zombie.

Slightly disappointed with the ending. It definitely wasn't bad, but I was waiting way more from a show that had continued 6 years and was one of the most watched series to date.

The decline of Lost started from season 4 imo. The whole religion, alt time line bs, faith and heaven thing ruined the show. The whole heart of the island, light, drinking holy water was just ridiculous to name few from this season.

Expected so much more. Hope they had ended this long time ago

religion/faith/heaven has been a major theme since day 1. wtf.

Yeah, of course it has been. But not even close to that extend what is was in the last seasons. It totally went over the line

I missed it. When does Jack do that? After he is dead?

On JKL, when they replayed the first scene from S06:Ep1 when Jack experiences the turbulence on the flight, Rose said to Jack "You can let go now. It's Ok, you can let go". I thought that was a neat line of dialog given the ending, even if it was not intended.


I don't know, I was def one of those viewers that loved how Lost started out, and then felt everything started to go pear-shaped. Originally it seemed to be both about the characters AND about the mysteries which is why it was appealing to everyone. The show encouraged detailed viewing and thinking and re-watching certain scenes frame-by-frame, but as time went on, the deeper you thought about the stories, the less all sorts of stuff made sense.

That was probably the point where some of the viewers decided "****it, I'm just going to switch off and watch, no more deep thinking", which probably made the show enjoyable again. I really struggled with doing this, and I def felt cheated at different points in the series.

But I really enjoyed the finale (up until the last 5 minutes when I was thinking wtf is all this ****? but I remembered "stop thinking!", and I was able to appreciate it on a more shallow level!). I remembered how much I loved Jack's character, how he was the hero for the entire show. It helped soften the sharp edges such as

- what happened to "the game" between MiB and Jacob? We were lead to believe that there was something going on between them about man's corruptibility, and that's why Jacob brought people to the island, to prove something. But that doesn't tie in at all with what Jacob said at the campfire to Jack, that it was all about protecting the island from MiB.

- Jacob seemed to be doing a fine job protecting the island for hundreds (or thousands) of years, in fact it wasn't until after he started to bring people to the island that things got messed up!

- When we first learned that MiB just wanted to leave the island, it sounded like a completely reasonable position to take, and if Jacob would stay behind, why couldn't he leave and see what was out there?

- I'm happily convinced that the "it worked" and "we can go dutch" conversation between Juliet and Sawyer was repeating what Juliet said as she died. I liked that scene for that fact actually. I was a little surprised to even see Juliet appear (because of V), but she did make the most sense to be Jack's ex.

- It's not very clear to me why it was important for the other characters to discover their link to the past, if the flash sideways was Jack's own purgatory (or whatever it was). But I'm Ok with Sayid hooking up with Shannon since he essentially decided that he was not good enough for Nadia, but the short-lived romance with Shannon was a pretty good second. But wtf at the "it was difficult convincing her to come over from Australia" line though?


For me, the bottom line is that Lost had the potential to be much much more, but it was still amazing and groundbreaking in what it did accomplish (like, isn't there a show called FlashForward, with half the Lost cast in it?!). How often does a TV show create this much emotion, both positive and negative?

The open-ended period around the middle is probably what created a ton of the problems, not knowing how much time was left the writers introduced enough extra stuff to write about, some of which the viewers really wanted conclusions for.

I'm going to miss it, even if a lot of S06 sucked

Well, they didn't detonate the whole bomb, just the core which Sayid would said wouldn't be as big of a blast right? I dunno the physics of it but I'll just go with your second bullet point as being true

Was the actual hatch door at the site of the Swan when it's blown up in 1977?

Isn't it just conceivable that even if the original hatch door was blown up, they simply made a new door for the Swan site which had the new purpose of simply keeping the energy at bay?

And I never said anything about "dead is dead" but the show definitely seemed to stick to its whatever happened, happened rules.

I'm sort of baffled that the numbers on the hatch door is this huge hangup to you not understanding the purpose of the flash sideways? It seems almost like you're leveling tbh.

probably when he put his dad's shoes on DLocke

This is all basically explained and the few blanks that you do have to fill in for yourself about Jacob and MiB don't require much imagination.

The dialogue between the two of

"They come, fight, destroy, corrupt...It always ends the same"
"It only ends once. Everything that happens before that...is just progress."

now carries a lot more meaning after this finale.