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I'm still firmly entrenched in the camp that the island is a location where those who are hopelessly alone in life are summoned to battle their inner demons. It exists for that purpose and must be protected for that purpose. It's origins and powers are beyond my comprehension and I'm okay with that (I realize most of you believe this to be a cop-out.) The other characters that weren't summoned to fight this battle were perverse to the island's existence and therefore killed whether they ended up on the island of their own volition or not. Its exact properties are less-important than the purpose of its existence.

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05-24-2010 , 02:47 AM

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It was an Island, where they all became friends.

totally going out on a limb...but the flash sideways kind of confirmed that in this show's reality some form of after life exists(whether it be traditional form or consciousness or energy etc)...I think the island maybe was a link that existed in the real world to that other reality.

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05-24-2010 , 02:47 AM

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Jacob didn't age and seemingly lived hundreds(thousands?) of years. We assume his Mom was the same way.

Immortality isn't never ageing, it's never dying.

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05-24-2010 , 02:48 AM

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One more point.

Watching this, assuming that the sideways universe where everybody was happy and alive was building to some tie in to the "real world", I was prepared for people like Sun and Jin to realize they'd have to make some sacrifice, that this wasn't real and they knew that. That part of their realization was part of it. Building up to something that seemed like it would be really powerful, and then just having everybody wander off to the damn Grey Havens- just felt so... kinda softbatch and wrong.

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05-24-2010 , 02:48 AM

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1. They apparently weren't essential to Jack's passing on wrt the ultimate extensions of those he cares aboutQUOTE]

Yeah thats what I thought as well but if this is the case then why was Penny there? When did Jack ever develope a relationship with Penny?

The boat. They concocted the plan together. And even so, she was an extension of Des, who was clearly important to Jack. I don't think Shannon was important to Jack but apparently she was to Sayid? That was the worst part of the episode imo.

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05-24-2010 , 02:48 AM

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.....realllllllllly??

the ending was so vague, and im extremely pissed off that i dont know more about that stupid beaver dam that protected the island or about the island in general

How exactly was the ending vague? Vague would have been if Christian never opened the doors to reveal the white light.

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05-24-2010 , 02:49 AM

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Phils i thought the wreckage was original reckage. And it actually just crashed and they died and the island was purgatory n till they all understood it they couldnt go to heaven. Jack was last one obv.

i think this needs more attn, i think this explains pretty much everything?

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Immortality isn't never ageing, it's never dying.

I understand that. But I think we're kind of splitting hairs.

Jacob didn't die of natural causes, ever. And he also couldn't be killed by the other person who inhabited the Island with him(most of the time). That's not technically immortal, but it's pretty close, and still makes the question about how Hurley is already dead a reasonable one.

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05-24-2010 , 02:50 AM

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i think this needs more attn, i think this explains pretty much everything?

Except that a huge majority of people don't think the Island was purgatory.

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05-24-2010 , 02:50 AM

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Richard couldn't die because Jacob made it so. Once Jacob was no longer the island's protector immortality ceases to become an issue. The protector role can clearly be passed. I would assume Hugo doesn't want to live forever and thus just passed it on and died himself.

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05-24-2010 , 02:52 AM

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No, I got that. I was just defending the reason for asking it. I totally agree with how Hugo died.

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He's not "already" dead. It was VERY clear that the people in the church were from a variety of (comic book nerd alert) locations in the timeline. Hurley could have died 1000s of years from "now".

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It's just bizarre to me, that after that piece of ****, you guys are questioning things like zomgggg how is hurley in the church if he is immortal!!! Who ****in cares srsly, we got no answers ppl, no explanations...ever.

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He's not "already" dead. It was VERY clear that the people in the church were from a variety of (comic book nerd alert) locations in the timeline. Hurley could have died 1000s of years from "now".

Exactly.

I think people are misunderstanding the point of that post.

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No, I got that. I was just defending the reason for asking it. I totally agree with how Hugo died.

I was just adding onto what you said, not refuting it.

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Great finish, f the haters. I can't believe people think the Ajira plane crashed at the end.

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He's not "already" dead. It was VERY clear that the people in the church were from a variety of (comic book nerd alert) locations in the timeline. Hurley could have died 1000s of years from "now".

Yeah I've been trying to make this point but didn't really know how to. This is pretty good.

It's either this, or the scene in the church was many years after Jack's actual death. There's no reason to think Hurley died any time soon after Jack did. The conversation Hurley had with Ben supports this even further as it indicates they had somewhat of a reign over the island. That could be thousands of years for all we know or need to know.

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The worst part of the finale was clearly Shannon's reappearance. She was Sayid's island replacement for Nadia for what, 1/3 of a season and suddenly she's in purg with Sayid? Nadia:Sayid :: Penny: Desmond.

How the HELL did they **** that one up?

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I'm kind of torn on the episode still. I think the ending was pretty goofy and didn't really feel satisfying. On the other hand, I thoroughly enjoyed the rest of the ep (got some dust in my eyes during the Linus/Locke conversation at the end for some reason) and the series as a whole, and in the end I guess I just didn't really care THAT much about getting all the answers or having a really tight conclusion. So I'm still pretty much happy overall despite not liking the finish too much.

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05-24-2010 , 02:56 AM

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Well if my theory that it was Jack's purgatory and not purgatory in general holds any water, this would help support it. Jack would have no idea who the **** Nadia is. She wouldn't be a part of Jack's heaven.

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Could be something super simple like Nadya not wanting to do the show, or contract issues, or she's not acting, or dead, or something random.

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05-24-2010 , 02:57 AM

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I don't think that's a **** up as much as a choice. Shannon got more screen time, and fits more with the reunion scheme. I don't think it's a good choice, but I suspect it was a calculated one and not just them forgetting about the Nadia character or anything. You also could argue that Sayid had his shot with Nadia in this universe and it didn't work out.

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Except that a huge majority of people don't think the Island was purgatory.

yeah but how else can you explain smoke monsters and all the other sci fi stuff? you can't, so if you accept that the island was purgatory, it all makes perfect sense.

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My issue with it being Jacks purgatory still remains that everyone was having the realizations and not just Jack. Seems to be if it was just Jack's purgatory, we'd see all of the characters all working towards getting Jack to realize. Instead we see them all aimlessly walking around except Desmond.

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