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05-24-2010 , 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Salva135
Is there any particular reason why some of the greatest shows ever (Seinfeld, Sopranos, Lost, et al) have ended so unsatisfying or controversially? These shows are so powerful that the writers can do anything they want. We end up spending all of this time intellectually blue-balled debating these things, rather than walk away with a satisfying, "ahhhhh." One time?
The discussion between Jack and Christian, I thought, was extremely satisfying and, for me, personally, made me cry for about the 20th time of that episode. Tears of joy.
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05-24-2010 , 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by AJay2008
The Wire finale doesn't come close to the Lost finale, and this isn't me being reactionary after seeing the Lost finale.

I'm a HUGE Wire fan, one of the only hour longs that could ever be considered one of the best ever on TV, but The Wire finale was only just a great coda, a nice wrap-up of what we had seen for the previous couple of years. There's no way it can compare to what the Lost finale just put up.
The wire finale tied up every storyline and had the "circle of life" theme

Lost didn't tie up anything and was an obvious weak ending
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05-24-2010 , 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by sumpy
Was I the only one who expected real alternate endings?
yea wtf, well they duped me into watching my first and last episode of Jimmy Kimmel Live
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05-24-2010 , 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by NUTZ2
I don't know how you can come to that conclusion. Just because the show ends with everyone being lovey dovey and we get an attempt at a conclusion means all the holes in the show can be put aside?
Every show has holes though. If you want to micro manage the show to the ridiculous extent we have Lost, a few things just aren't going to 100% match up.

As a person who has watched every episode of Lost, some twice, and read every 2p2 thread, I can think of very few(if any) major plot holes. Few things I wish I knew? Obv. Few things that only 90% added up? Sure. But major plot holes? Nah.
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05-24-2010 , 01:05 AM
One interesting question this finale posed: does disconnetcing the power from candy machine really make a stuck candy bar fall?
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05-24-2010 , 01:05 AM
Here's my impression (sorry if I'm repeating anything, just not gonna read thru 788+ posts b4 I post)....

I thought the final scene was cool and didn't see it coming until 30-45 seconds beforehand. Show starts with Jack's right eye opening, ends with his right eye closing. Things like this made the show for me, by which I mean series. It had serious problems living up to the standard it set for itself, but I can't remember a TV show that's ever had more symmetry or even attempted to. Things like Flocke telling Richard good to see you out of those chains. I remember thinking what the hell did that mean when I saw it the first time. Then you get the "answer" a full season later.

Then on the other hand you have alot of things left unanswered and sometimes the writers tried too hard to make connections. I'm a fairly intelligent guy and I've watched every episode of this series. Yet I can't even begin to explain some of the basic premises of the show. Like Flash Forward, Flashbacks, Flash Sideways, plus a whole other host of things. That part of the show is extremely frustrating. I guess it could be genius on the writers part, b/c now at some point I'll probably buy the DVD set rewatch it and see if it makes any more sense to me.

Then you have the ridiculous. I thought it was really ******ed Jack could just go down put a rock back in a hole and everything is ok again. The whole time, hell the whole season its been about ZOMG!!!!!! MIB cannot get off this island or the world will come to an end. Then he tricks/forces whatever Desmond into doing his dirty work for him and the ZOMG part, the doomsday is suppose to happen. How MIB all the sudden became mortal makes no sense to me. I found it even more ridiculous Jack could just fix it by putting a rock back in place. I pretty much hated the final scene with Christian just a bunch of talking without saying anything. I love you, you love me, we're a happy family, with a great big hug and kiss from me to you. Won't you say you love me to?......... Sorry I think I might of had a Barney flashback during the whole you need them as much as they needed you crap.

In the end, I guess I enjoyed seeing all of the reunions so much I didn't really let the other stuff bother me too much. Still best the TV show of all time, imo.

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05-24-2010 , 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by ZBTHorton
Every show has holes though. If you want to micro manage the show to the ridiculous extent we have Lost, a few things just aren't going to 100% match up.

As a person who has watched every episode of Lost, some twice, and read every 2p2 thread, I can think of very few(if any) major plot holes. Few things I wish I knew? Obv. Few things that only 90% added up? Sure. But major plot holes? Nah.
But why introduce a bunch of questions if 1) the story isn't as important as the characters, and 2) you're not only not going to answer most of them, but you're actually going to create multiple pointless subplots during the show's final season instead of answering them? I mean, if the characters make the show, why even introduce Dogen, Lennon, Zoe, Ilana, etc. near the end?
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05-24-2010 , 01:07 AM
I should add that I have nothing against character-based shows, or even Lost being a character based show. I though Lost was a (mostly) successful character-based show for its first two seasons. But given that this was how the the creators apparently conceived of it, they screwed the show up in the middle by turning it into a cheesy scifi mystery. I.e. If this was the way the writers wanted to go.....then don't write a whole season about a bunch of ****ing TIME TRAVEL!
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05-24-2010 , 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Salva135
Is there any particular reason why some of the greatest shows ever (Seinfeld, Sopranos, Lost, et al) have ended so unsatisfying or controversially? These shows are so powerful that the writers can do anything they want. We end up spending all of this time intellectually blue-balled debating these things, rather than walk away with a satisfying, "ahhhhh." One time?
I think there is a feeling among writers that leaving a show with some ambiguity is better - even the goal - rather than tying things up in neat little bows.
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05-24-2010 , 01:07 AM
ZBT: Why did Juliet say it worked when she died? It didn't.
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05-24-2010 , 01:07 AM
when lost ended, 10 secs later i was just kinda staring at my TV thinking, well that sucked. as its had some time to sink in i think it was somewhere between meh and OK...maybe ill like it more as it sinks in more.

i just think the amount of mind****s they added to nearly every episode for 6 years just to end it like that was kinda weak. all the crazy **** they did that pointed in 1 direction, then in another, then another, etc...then BOOOOM, something as simple as they lived, they died, they reunite to go off to heaven together. BLAH...just expected more.
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05-24-2010 , 01:07 AM
the feel good and Jack Kate happily ever after did it for me, but one thing,

they couldn't even at least toss us a name for the man in black? like they've teased at it so many times, and like just make something up and have them say it once. it's so minuscule compared to other questions but come on, throw me a bone
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05-24-2010 , 01:09 AM
Not understanding any of the hate. I'm leaving this thread and not talking about it anymore. I thought it was great and this thread is ruining that for me. Namaste.
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05-24-2010 , 01:09 AM
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But why introduce a bunch of questions if 1) the story isn't as important as the characters, and 2) you're not only not going to answer most of them, but you're actually going to create multiple pointless subplots during the show's final season instead of answering them?
Because they had to write 120 hours of TV, and occasionally they thought they would go a certain direction and didn't end up going there.

I think you're being really nitty. There are parts of every episode that are written but never see production. There are parts that are produced, but don't make the episode. It just happens.

Just because we ridiculously overanalyze every single little bitty piece of the show, didn't mean it was intended to be overanalyzed like that.
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05-24-2010 , 01:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Kgore
ZBT: Why did Juliet say it worked when she died? It didn't.
I have absolutely no idea. Among one of the several things I'm not clear on.
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05-24-2010 , 01:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Jeffmet3
they couldn't even at least toss us a name for the man in black? like they've teased at it so many times, and like just make something up and have them say it once. it's so minuscule compared to other questions but come on, throw me a bone
then everyone would've complained that they "threw something together half a**"
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05-24-2010 , 01:10 AM
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Originally Posted by TurnUpTheSun
ben isnt in the church cause hes not done with his purgatory yet.
been said a zillion times.
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i want to agree with this but at the same time we have to consider there is no time anymore so no 'yet'. hes never getting in the church if hes not getting in now
I think a lot of you are slightly missing the point with Ben not going into the church. Yes, he does still have things to "work out" as he said, but more importantly, you meet and move on with the people who are most important in your life.

For the losties, they were all each others most important people. For Ben, his most important people are Alex and Rousseau. When he's (and/or they're) ready, he'll move on with them. This was pretty well hinted at when he went to their house for dinner.
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05-24-2010 , 01:11 AM
What about the shot from the season premiere of the Island under water? That show any light onto the finale?
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05-24-2010 , 01:14 AM
Also Ben apologizing to Locke was part of the stuff he needed to accomplish before he could move on.
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05-24-2010 , 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by TurnUpTheSun
why did juliet say it worked when she hit the bomb?
did it work?
Didn't she say "it worked" when Sawyer got the candy bar after pulling the plug? That entire conversation in the blast hole was Juliet somehow seeing the purgatory meeting in the hospital snack room, and did not actually refer to the bomb at all.
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05-24-2010 , 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by mjw0586
I don't know how you can possibly watch the finale and still think this.


the didn't answer anything about any mysteries in the series. they didn't even explain why there were rules in purgatory. they just said the island has a magic butt plug.
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05-24-2010 , 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Wubbie075
Didn't she say "it worked" when Sawyer got the candy bar after pulling the plug? That entire conversation in the blast hole was Juliet somehow seeing the purgatory meeting in the hospital snack room, and did not actually refer to the bomb at all.
Far fetched theory. But still interesting.



I don't think that is it though. Juliet in purgatory said it worked and that made them remember everything.. I really don't think it's what you said.
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05-24-2010 , 01:19 AM
There's nothing satisfying about a show that leads you in one direction the entire time only to make a u turn when your finally about to reach the end. This whole religious ending came out of nowhere, for 5 seasons the show has been about the island, and the stories behind the people on the island. This whole season has been a slap in the face, to introduce a religious aspect, one with holes in it non the less is simply lazy and poor writting.

And people that are gona tell me the show has been about the ppl all along, I say wtf are you talking about. The only reason people tuned in to the show for past 5 seasons is because they were intrigued by the mysteries of the island, the unknown. The show was different then anything else that has ever been on the air. And to end the show with a cheesy ending, and to completely ignore questions that are crucial to the show is just silly. I wasn't disappointed with the finale as much as I was disappointed with the entire season.
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05-24-2010 , 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by SoloAJ
Okay, I'm not up to date on tv history.

What I'm reading on the net is that people liked the Newhart series ending as a dream thing.

I seem to recall Roseanne ending in a similar way and people hated it.

What was the difference?
When Newhart ended, the finale dream sequence was new, no one likes copies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newhart...ast_Newhart.22

Dallas made a season go away trying to use "it was a bad dream"
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05-24-2010 , 01:19 AM
Wow so many of you are missing the point, don't pay attention, and should not have been watching lost to start.

The finale was excellent, far exceeded my expectations and made me realize how unimportant some of the unanswered question really were.

Congrats to the writers on this one.

(I'm an adult male and my eyes teared up on several occasions during this finale)
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