ep3 was way too long.

The FBI lady/the murder is actually the only storyline I'm interested in atm.

A pretty unnecessary episode.

That's who's at the door at the end of season 1.

Leon with the seinfeld dvd box set

I think it's a bit too cynical to pass off Elliot's rant as 'too edgy'. Even the 'edgy crowd' is right sometimes, although it might not be for the right reasons.

This week's episode is also an hour and half

E03 made me bring up my phone and start farming crystals in final fantasy brave exvius while watching which isnt a good thing. I have hope still though. Solid show despite a classic breaking bad fillerep.

Like what, coming in here to post how much the show has annoyed you?

I'm with Dom. Have patience and enjoy the ride. I loved season 1, but you can't make every week about some new scheme to bring down E Corp that somehow gets thwarted, or else it turns into Gilligan's Island. Esmail has said he plans on 4 - 5 seasons. While I preferred the pacing and direction of season 1 to what we've seen so far of season 2, I recognize that for the long term good of the season he needs to develop more/new characters.

Maybe this week's episode will have car chases and explosions to satisfy the impatient.

lack of those things is not remotely the issue, nor would including them fix anything.

Exactly A question was asked and I answered. I have invested a great deal of time on this show so far and am still semi-interested in what happens. But I will likely just wait to watch until it is totally wrapped up dependent on reviews. Right now I don't like it. Besides a post on a subject I am interested in only takes a minute. Just like responding to trollish comments about said reply.

Ok then.

That must have been his alt personality who posted the first one.

Why must people troll? I am done with the show but reserve the right to possibly watch it at some future date once its complete if I hear it improves. If you are too simple minded to comprehend that I am sorry. Right now I find it pretty unwatchable. If it gets raves by the end I may revisit but right now it sounds like more people have been disappointed than enjoying this season so far.

Oh the irony.

It's not a show for everyone. It is fine if you don't like it, but feel free to spend your time in any of the other threads on 2+2 and leave this one to people who want to watch and discuss the show. Maybe try a baseball thread.

I think discussion of the show doesn't necessarily mean its knob has to be slobbed with every post.

Given the tension in every episode of S01, I'm disappointed with S02 so far also.

Criticizing the show is fine when you put thought into what you post. Nunnehi, Fly and some others have done that. Coming in to post that you thought the first season was only ok, and repeatedly saying you can't focus on it, don't really like it, and are whining about being trolled (like that baseball guy was doing) is just spamming up the thread.

Anyone who hasn't liked the show after 13 episodes should just quit watching and posting in here.

Finally had time to watch this episode, and man I wish Sam would find his knife and do some more editing. It's beyond weird that a person is given 10 episodes to do a season, and needs 4 episodes to be done in the first two. I don't know whether that's a USA thing where they just don't think he's moving it along fast enough, or what, as some kind of burn off. The barf scene was legit gross and gratuitously long. It's low brow for him to think it's necessary to add in 10 F-words. Random swearing diminishes the message and impact in comparison to how something like American Crime Story did it.

I think Sam knows where he's going, but I'm just plain not convinced he's not trying to get the show canceled (does a guy with this kind of theoretical talent really want to work on one thing for the next 4 years?). This is Polarization 101 (almost a pure checklist of what not to do on TV if you want to have an audience of any real size). He's getting in the face of almost 95 percent of the TV watching audience and essentially saying, "I dare you to watch this". For people who watched the early seasons of American Horror Story, they were doing a similar thing. They were trying to touch every single taboo, and were relentlessly trying to shock you. I think something like this show would really appeal to Dom, who is looking at different aspects of the show that are done in really interesting ways.

The main problem for me is that we are still sitting in an ungrounded reality, which makes it nearly impossible to follow where the show is heading (the NBC show, Awake, from a few years back had a similar problem). So far, we have something like 3 "real" stories going on, and whatever is going on with Elliot. I think the scene with Robinson in the office at the end was meant to potentially convey the idea that he's a Psychologist/Psychiatrist, and we're seeing various "tricks" that he's trying to pull out to get through to Elliot (service animal, drugs, prayer group, and now reality). That's really the only way he gets the book back that makes any logical sense to me, even though I think it's entirely possible that everything has no meaning. If we honestly assessed season 1, it was kind of a mash up of American Psycho and Fight Club. As of now, I think this is kind of a mash up of The Matrix and Inception. I'm firmly of the belief that Sam absolutely knows what he's trying to accomplish and is doing it. He's just doing it in the absolute most polarizing way possible. That polarization comes across very well in this thread, with Dom and Mars being the biggest proponents of it, while about 70 percent of others aren't really feeling it, and a few actively hate it. I'm approaching it with an open mind, because I can see we're getting to see a full vision on screen via the fact that Sam is writing and directing the episodes. If the show weren't an Emmy nominee, you could pretty much guarantee this would be its last season, but it is, so I doubt it will go anywhere. This show is in an extremely unique place do to its prestige, and I guess it's a huge reason why polarizing shows with extremely low ratings don't tend to get nominated for Emmys in the Drama category.

Final note was that I really liked the story about picking yourself back up after falling down. Stumbling continuously on to the right (or wrong) path via whatever path was an interesting way of putting life, in my opinion.

Not even any posts about last night's episode? The mental institution theory still holds up, and looks more and more certain. I was tricked into thinking Darlene at the door was the end of Season 1, then we learn it actually was prior to the events of Season 1. Then that title drop. DAMN.

This season is confusing as hell, but I'm sure the reveal will make it all clear and worth it. I didn't recognize the character that Tyrell's wife was paying off. Also still have no idea what is it up with ECorp + Dark Army either.... + thinking Angela was in control then she got owned (potentially?)

- BILL

That end was great though. When he sits at the computer and is like "I'm going to hack the FBI" I was like - HES BACK BOYS

This alone is probably why I'm going to keep watching.

the guy tyrell's wife was paying off was the parking lot attendant from where tyrell's car was, the car elliot woke up in after tyrell disappeared.

seems to me price/white rose are using angela to get to elliot or simply pin the whole hack on her, since we know the dark army infected her ex-boyfriend's laptop and blackmailed them into infecting all safe's system. white rose implied they knew who was responsible for the hack in last season's finale post credit scene. seems like it was planned so they could get a govt bailout and steal the $ in limbo from e-corp's customers due to the hack (the lady from the premiere this sesaon trying to close her acct with e-corp, think stealing from your own bank account, claiming fraud and being reimbursed by the bank, just on a much larger scale)

remember when tyrell says "Give a man a gun and he can rob a bank. Give a man a bank and he can rob the world"

also from the post credits scene:

WhiteRose- "The infamous emperor Nero played an instrument very similar to the one she's playing...a lyre. Legend has it he played it merely as he watched..."

Phillip Price- "As he watched...?"

WhiteRose- "As he watched Rome burn."

In before all of "the episode was too long" hot takes.

What is the significance of the 5/9 references? Was that supposed to be the date they executed the E Corp hack? I know back in season 1 (or maybe the s2 premiere) when they showed a montage of news footage in the aftermath of the hack, they were referring to a 5/9 group or something like that. Was that the name of Darlene's group, and thus the reason for the burning of $5.9 million? Last night there was a sign in the window of one of the stores as Darlene walked the streets something like, "5/9 discount".

5/9 is the date of the hack.