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Old 09-03-2015, 07:35 PM   #651
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Re: New Show- Mr. Robot

I def got that impression too in the Wife scene, but I'm quite confused
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Old 09-03-2015, 07:52 PM   #652
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The weird thing I got from the wife scene is that Tyrell and Elliot are the same person.

Go back and watch as if Elliot is Tyrell. She talks about how her husband has been acting weird and not being himself. Near the end of the conversation she speaks to him in Danish and Elliot says he doesn't understand and she kinda lifts an eyebrow like she expected him to understand.

Why would she speak to him in Danish expecting him to understand unless he is Tyrell too?

I know that makes no sense though from all the other scenes we have seen with Tyrell etc but maybe Elliot has many personalities. Who the **** knows at this point.


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Tyrells Wife > Angela > Darlene

This shouldn't be up for debate.
But then why would she ask him, "Can I help you?" when she sees him at the door instead of, "Tyrell, where the fuq have you been?"
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Old 09-03-2015, 07:54 PM   #653
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I thought the season finale was really disappointing, all the way down to the unnecessary brain blowing out on live TV. It seems pretty clear the finale was added to the real ending (of the movie version), and they just left a bunch of threads open to explore however they want to go next season.

I thought the shot of Elliot choking himself was A+.

To me, and maybe I have this wrong, the real problem is that everyone is now poor. They got rid of the credit card debt and I guess other debt, but it sure appears no one has access to anything other than hard cash, since I doubt banks would let anyone withdraw money. Way to play into all the crazy psychos' dreams of armageddon and putting money in mattresses, Sam.

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so the guy who was cheating with the psych lady put together that elliot is a member of fsociety bc of the estonia connection with the proxies he used and the news report he watched when he got home?
This initially made no sense as the scene was unfolding, but it turns out Elliot blew it by taking his dog to the vet under his real name. Elliot has no presence anywhere, but he has a name and they just need to find him. With the Estonia thing happening, it now meant that they'd be able to trace back the connection to him. Of course, ain't no one gonna give a sh** about what happened to this guy after what happened. It actually made Elliot more anonymous, not less. That cheater is essentially the Chandra Levy of pre-9/11. He was interesting yesterday, but not today.

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The implication of that scene was the Evil corp guy knew who did it(Elliot, which is why he's so confident and why he's buttering up Elliot's friend), but didn't know that he was talking to someone who was also involved.

So basically I guess fsociety is secretly a pawn of the Dark Army, and this whole thing has something to do with mines in the Congo? Or maybe even a level deeper?
I'm fairly sure the Wong character already has the decryption key. So, E Corp will let people riot, and then come in and save the day when everyone is at their darkest...with a lot of interest, of course.

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Is tyrell real?
He has to be real, because Elliot went to his office, and the secretary didn't recognize Elliot. The only counter theory to Tyrell being real is that Elliot could be Tyrell. Everything about that idea works EXCEPT for his secretary not recognizing him.

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I wish there was a solid theory out there about what happened to Tyrell so that I don't have to wait a year to find out.
Good luck with that. The show is so fractured between what's real and what isn't, it's actually hard to believe there haven't been numerous mistakes made already that undermine what's really going on. I can't imagine 3 years of waiting to find out what's going on. I'll give an "interesting" idea in response to someone else, but it doesn't work because of a scene I mentioned above.

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Andrew,

Na he didn't put together the fsociety connection. He said that the only way they would get to any real evidence of Eliot's hacks is if Estonia would fall apart, which is happening.
Yeah, I don't think there was anything connecting him to fsociety in that conversation. It was just that his dog was chipped, and Elliot took the dog in under his real name. All he has is a name, and conjecture about what he's likely done. He has no evidence of anything, and even the fall of Estonia won't help him with what's going on in the big picture right now. It's just kind of a funny joke the show had.

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Tyrell is going to tell the e-corp guy that fired him how to unencrypt everything. Good plan to land CFO imo
Very doubtful, and you you mean CTO.

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Angela is oddly attractive in a way that I can't describe. Something about the mannerisms of her character.

Caught up now, what an amazing finale. That was white rose at the end right? What was the beep? Who was at Elliot's door? Pretty much a perfect season imo
Go back and watch the scene at the computer store. White Rose explains how he manages time. It was actually interesting that he realizes there's no point to his timing system anymore. There's nothing for him to do at this point. He likely has the decryption key.

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yes.
i assume it was his watch that was beeping after 3 minutes.
Yes, my guess too, for more background, Josh can go back and look at that earlier scene.

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The weird thing I got from the wife scene is that Tyrell and Elliot are the same person.
I got distracted from making this post, earlier and am distracted now, but that was the vibe I got from the scene, as well.

If you remove the scene with the secretary of Tyrell and Elliot, I think you could make a very strong case that Tyrell is really the "guy", and everyone is a figment of his imagination. Play the scene with Tyrell's wife and Elliot as if it's really Tyrell talking to her. It would make that scene play A+. But, the secretary scene means that Tyrell has to be real, or EVERYTHING is fake. That's a massive slippery slope they really don't want to start going down.

And again, we had a mention of Elliot being "God". Mr. Robot said "I'm supposed to be the prophet, you're supposed to be God." (or whatever the exact quote was) In an earlier episode, Tyrell said he needed to go see "God". In the actual context of the scene with him and Mr. Robot in the car, if that had appeared after Tyrell said that, it would give big credence to everything being inside Elliot's head, but they didn't order it that way. So again, there's zero anchor in this show, other than that we know we're seeing Elliot have massive delusions. In other words, there is still nothing in the show that makes any sense...yet.
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Old 09-03-2015, 07:57 PM   #654
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But then why would she ask him, "Can I help you?" when she sees him at the door instead of, "Tyrell, where the fuq have you been?"
Because the knocking on the door would have been weird. Also, she had kicked him out (if we take logical steps from the hospital scene), so it would have been weird regardless. Picking at him saying that Tyrell had been acting strange plays that out. Of course, that's not what's really going on, because there are other scenes that make that not possible.
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Old 09-03-2015, 08:11 PM   #655
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The weird thing I got from the wife scene is that Tyrell and Elliot are the same person.

Go back and watch as if Elliot is Tyrell. She talks about how her husband has been acting weird and not being himself. Near the end of the conversation she speaks to him in Danish and Elliot says he doesn't understand and she kinda lifts an eyebrow like she expected him to understand.

Why would she speak to him in Danish expecting him to understand unless he is Tyrell too?

I know that makes no sense though from all the other scenes we have seen with Tyrell etc but maybe Elliot has many personalities. Who the **** knows at this point.
I definitely got the Elliot could be Tyrell vibe, but I'm thinking it's more along the lines of Mrs. Tyrell (does she have a name?) knowing Elliot from his connection with Tyrell and Elliot not remembering her because he's nuts.
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Old 09-03-2015, 08:13 PM   #656
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I don't think her and Elliot have had any screen time together, but it's very likely she would know who Elliot is.
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Old 09-03-2015, 08:35 PM   #657
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I watched the episode again. Some random observations:

Towards the end, when Elliot is taking instructions from Mr. Robot and he is sitting on the train, the woman next to him has a parrot on her shoulder. That seemed to be a very "dreamlike" event. How much of that episode was real and how much was a delusion?

Was Tyrell's wife speaking Danish to Elliot or some other language? Her eyes looked very similar to the eyes in the fSociety video.

Did Elliot film himself falling off the railing? What was the significance of the hidden video clip?

When you watch the opening scene again that cheating guy is so pathetic its actually funny.

Do Angela's questions to the E Corp CEO get answered? She seems to be giddy with his power.

Crowds had a V for Vendetta/Occupy Wall Street vibe. What is next after you actually start a revolution? Who wins? Who loses?
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Old 09-03-2015, 11:05 PM   #658
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Re: New Show- Mr. Robot

Ooook, just caught up. Thoughts/responses:

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Asking to try on the Pradas might be one of the top 10 most cold-blooded things I've ever seen on tv. This show is really swinging for the fences.
I feel like Angela has kinda been alternating between "wishy washy ultimately powerless typical female lead" and... actually a good character. This scene started out as the former, but definitely ended up as the latter.

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Yeah this was the second real weak episode of the season, shame it was the finale. I expected at least a resolution about Tyrell. How do you start a show in media res and never actually have the flashback?
Kinda disagree, not every episode can blow your mind. Pushed the story forward in a way that was consistent with what we've seen while leaving a lot of questions on the table, I don't think you can get much more (for a show that's already promised to have multiple seasons... if this were a 10ep serial ala TD that would be an aids finale, but the story goes on, so all is well imo).

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I enjoyed Season 1 of Fight Club the TV show but man was it heavy-handed
Definitely heavy handed, but, still better than anything I've seen in a while.

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I wanna marry Portia Doubleday. So hot in this episode.
As with her character, I alternate between wanting to wife Portia and writing her off as a passably attractive Hollywood type.

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Tyrel's wife >>>>>>>> Shrink >>> Darlene > Angela imo.
Was gonna post that NSFW gallery of Tyrell's wife (honestly she's too made up and too preggers in the show but it's pretty easy to tell she's a smoke IRL) but someone beat me to it... for me it's her > Angela > dead girlfriend > Darlene (although I kinda love Darlene, would/would).

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Tyrell's wife has a creepy Angelina Joilie look.
Was thinking the same thing.
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Old 09-03-2015, 11:08 PM   #659
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Her eyes looked very similar to the eyes in the fSociety video.
Meant to bring this up but forgot. The voice on the fsociety video was very obviously Elliot.
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Old 09-03-2015, 11:11 PM   #660
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Also - the soundtrack for this episode was pretty awesome.
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Old 09-03-2015, 11:15 PM   #661
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Tyrell is real but maybe Elliott is his wife.
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Old 09-03-2015, 11:15 PM   #662
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First off, everyone putting anyone but Shayla #1 is just forgetting how hot she was because she's been dead for 4 episodes. Shayla 4ever.

The entire episode the implication is that Elliot murdered Tyrell with the popcorn case gun, but then for whatever reason the door knocking scene I got the idea that Tyrell was who was knocking. So maybe Tyrell was who executed the scheme. We know that Tyrell and "Mr. Robot" were working together.
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Also - the soundtrack for this episode was pretty awesome.
The score to this is legitimately movie quality.
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Old 09-03-2015, 11:17 PM   #664
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Also - the soundtrack for this episode was pretty awesome.
People Who Died ftw

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Tyrell is real but maybe Elliott is his wife.
Elliot might be the baby.
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Old 09-03-2015, 11:26 PM   #665
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Elliot might be the baby.
I was actually thinking Angela was her first kid she gave away for adoption but then I sobered up lol.
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Old 09-03-2015, 11:58 PM   #666
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The score to this is legitimately movie quality.
The music supervision in general on this show is as high level as I can remember on TV (as a mixer it would be a dream to work with). It might not get any Emmy notice, but it will certainly be nominated for MPSE awards.

The show is mixed by one of the best TV mixers in the business. It's not as good as his other stuff, because the dialog elements aren't as good, but the overall mix is really great for TV (even with the bad sounding dialog that's been compromised by the visuals). Even though I know the mix could have been better with better production choices, it has an absolutely outstanding feel every episode.
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Old 09-03-2015, 11:59 PM   #667
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Tyrell is real but maybe Elliott is his wife.
I know this is a joke, but considering the way the show has played with gender roles, there might be a surprising twist that's not that far off from what you described here. But then again...
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Old 09-04-2015, 03:47 AM   #668
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Having not checked weren't there several scenes with Tyrell and people that work with Elliott (e.g. - his boss), which would make them being the same person pretty hard to believe.

Also I think Tyrell might be dead. They showed the gun in the intro, which seems weird in isolation if it wasn't used.
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Old 09-04-2015, 03:53 AM   #669
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The trick performed in the "Boardwalk Fail" video is called an Ollie. All the letters in OLLIE are also present in ELLIOT, except for T. There's no T. Tyrell's name starts with T. This episode had no Tyrell. Illuminati confirmed (literally, in the post-credits scene).

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Old 09-04-2015, 03:56 AM   #670
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I mean I also got the Elliot=Tyrell vibe mentioned in the last posts, with another indicator being them bumping together randomly in Steel Mountain. But I can't see how this could possibly work.

Elliot would have to alter his physical appearance significantly (e.g. because Tyrell's assistant, Gideon, and also the fsociety guys know Tyrell). Also in ep6 Elliot is fully occupied with the Vera/Shayla situation, while we see Tyrell bumping heads with the new CTO. And working two jobs at Evil-Corp and Allsafe + the fsociety activities? It doesn't add up.
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First off, everyone putting anyone but Shayla #1 is just forgetting how hot she was because she's been dead for 4 episodes. Shayla 4ever.

Excellent post.
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I mean I also got the Elliot=Tyrell vibe mentioned in the last posts, with another indicator being them bumping together randomly in Steel Mountain. But I can't see how this could possibly work.

Elliot would have to alter his physical appearance significantly (e.g. because Tyrell's assistant, Gideon, and also the fsociety guys know Tyrell). Also in ep6 Elliot is fully occupied with the Vera/Shayla situation, while we see Tyrell bumping heads with the new CTO. And working two jobs at Evil-Corp and Allsafe + the fsociety activities? It doesn't add up.
Let's just say that the way they presented the finale means they're going to be doing a lot of puzzle solving in the writer's room between seasons, and that they opened as many potential threads as they could to create new stuff. If they can find a way to still have everything make sense, great. But there's no way this thing is getting a third season if they're still trying to make reality as ambiguous as it was done this season next season. Most audiences quickly tune out from that kind of stuff over the long haul.

I mean, as Fly said, can they have dropped Shayla and her drug dealer guy any quicker? The show puts so much in front of us that you really don't have a lot of time to go back and think about all the stuff that was dropped or really doesn't make much sense. Again, without anchors, that stuff still "works". That's a strength and a weakness for the show, but they have to get out of that mindset quickly next season.
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Let's just say that the way they presented the finale means they're going to be doing a lot of puzzle solving in the writer's room between seasons, and that they opened as many potential threads as they could to create new stuff. If they can find a way to still have everything make sense, great. But there's no way this thing is getting a third season if they're still trying to make reality as ambiguous as it was done this season next season. Most audiences quickly tune out from that kind of stuff over the long haul.


I mean, I guess Lost slowly lost viewers over its 6-year run, but it did survive 6 seasons, and I think losing viewers is typical for all tv shows.
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Old 09-04-2015, 05:15 AM   #674
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Tyrell = Eliot sounds like reaching it. Most of the season wouldn't make sense if that was the case.

I think it's a lot more likely that Mr Robot just killed him which would seem like too obvious of an explanation, making people doubt it until reveal.

As for who was under that mask, someone posted toned down version of the recording on reddit and
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If Joanna Wellick thinks Elliot did something to Tyrell, she's going to try to kill him.

Does the CEO, Price, think Tyrell's responsible? What if Mr. Robot did something to make Price think Tyrell's behind the hack, Price kills Tyrell, then Joanna goes after Elliot.







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