What the hell are you talking about? Elliott goes to jail for x and his old boss, his sister and his best friend come to visit him. Why would that link him to 5/9?



What the hell do you even mean with this?

Then what about all the scenes this episode where it is clearly implied that Tyrell's wife believes Tyrell is alive? Tyrell's wife entire arc makes no sense with her knowing 100% sure that Tyrell is dead.





What are you even talking about? Do you think your average cop would be working on the 5/9 case? Do you think stuff like looting would go 100% unpunished? The government would have 100% incentive to keep everything functioning properly, to limit the damage done to the economy as much as possible.


We think he is in jail because that it what Elliott revealed to us. I know Elliott isn't the most reliable narrator, but the thought of a new twist coming up IT WASN'T A JAIL IT WAS A MENTAL INSTITUTION WOAAAAA is just ridiculous. He was in jail. Btw, are you taking bets on that "nearly 0% chance he was in jail" claim you made?




Are you all basing this random crap you're coming up with on "if the biggest company in the world got hacked we wouldn't lock up criminals anymore"- logic you somehow talked yourself into? Because you are really spouting FPS bull ****.


Without Tyrell the hack would not have happened.

I enjoyed this episode. Put me in the "Darlene knew lawyer lady was coming, but let it happen knowing she would have the chance to kill her"-camp. Maybe we learn about it in a short flashback in some future episode.

No speculation what Stage 2 is? It was also clear that White Rose was bored af with the whole economy going to **** and wanted things to proceed more quickly.

White Rose somehow manages to take over China and starts bringing down USA completely ?

What did Tyrell do to make the hack happen? I don't remember.

He put the hacked server back on the network or something? He even did it after he was fired.

Mr Robot

I know you're a big fan of this show, but you need to seriously dial this down a lot of notches. This hack destroyed the economy and created a global crisis. It came out of AllSafe. Two of the people visiting him were related to AllSafe (Elliot was also an employee of AllSafe), and one was related to him. We even saw a scene earlier this season where Angela's ex-boyfriend (the source of the hack software) tried to get her to admit something while recording her (suggesting that he was being run by authorities). If you're looking for people who might know something about what happened, that company and its employees would be the first place you look. Who were suspicious people at AllSafe? I'm glad you're not a police detective, because connecting dots like this are how stuff gets solved.

We also found out that the FBI has 17 suspects (or 16) with one dead (presumably Romero). We also found out that there are multiple people under surveillance who were involved. It's ludicrous to think there wouldn't be massive resources spent trying to figure out who did this hack based on the global economic crisis it caused. How do you think 9/11 worked? We knew who all the the hijackers were very fast. This case is super simple. Find the source of the hack (AllSafe), interview the boss, figure out suspicious people, catch the bad guy. Instead, nearly every person who could be implicated from that company or is a person of interest went and visited Elliot in jail. I'd think the hammer would be down hard on Elliot (for questioning at least) specifically because of that. That is, of course, unless he was put in there by White Rose to hide him, which also wouldn't make much sense due to the visitors. That's because he wouldn't be hidden.

There are essentially three shows happening right now.

1. Elliot
2. FSociety/FBI investigation
3. Angela

Tyrell's wife is a smaller story that doesn't apply to the level of those three. There are tons of real things happening in the world, including a massive investigation into the events of 5/9 and the global crisis. Elliot is living in a delusion (jail as has been revealed). These visitors after a voluntary commitment (or being placed in a psychiatric ward after a suicide attempt) make total sense. Them going to visit him in jail (where he's in for some unknown thing supposedly on the day or not too distant from the day of this massive global crisis/act of terrorism), where lists would be kept and scrutinized is not. This is The Following type levels of ludicrousness, when you break it down.

Note the bolded word. I'm not saying he's dead, I'm saying if he is, that's a clue right there, and it's also a clue she knew. She could be having a psychotic break, it could be anything. I don't really care what's going on with her character. So far, it's seemed completely useless.

You do realize that if Tyrell's dead, he's not getting the E-Corp severance? That's what she's after, if we're to take this at face value. Right now, he's missing, and she wants that money. It seems odd there wouldn't be a significant life insurance policy in place, but whatever. There's still also no explanation for the FBI involvement with her, which I'm assuming is just them running her to get Tyrell (Dom broke that the whole case centers on Tyrell in the interrogation of DJMobley).

I don't even know what point you're trying to make here. In the midst of a terrorist act and fallout, there is no way there are the resources available to capture everyone doing petty crimes. In nearly all of these types of situations, the National Guard is called in to discourage people from looting (there were tanks in Hollywood after the Northridge earthquake in 1994). Curfews are imposed, and people who violate that stuff get tossed in jail if caught. It still takes time to deploy those resources, so all hell can break loose and does during this kind of event that would be a bigger scale than any terrorist attack that has been faced in the world to this point.

Now you've got thousands of people in jail for disturbing the peace, property damage, and stealing TVs and food. This is at a time of severe jail overcrowding in New York City, and people will want their due process. No one can be charged, because there's a huge backlog. This just wouldn't happen, in my opinion. Unless you did something big (like assaulting a cop, raping, or killing someone), you're not going to jail during this very early stage of the crisis.

And again, you're not from the U.S. Point at the 1992 L.A. riots and Hurricane Katrina and tell me this is an accurate assessment. Things are a mess even in a small scale situation like those, magnify it across the world, and you essentially have Iraq.

Is this a language barrier thing? I know I used a nuanced sentence, but I wasn't asking why the poster thought he was in jail as a place. I was asking what he thought he was in jail for (it was very obvious from episode 1 he was in some kind of institution, either jail or psychiatric). Do you have an answer for that? I know he doesn't.

It's incredibly easy to make the case that he was in a mental institution (voluntary commitment makes the most sense, as it wouldn't attract attention from authorities). It's certainly easy to make the case he was in jail, as well. But based on what we know of events happening in the outside world, it makes little sense it's jail, sorry, it doesn't. He would have gotten attention by being arrested, and we have no indication that he's done anything that would have been big enough to get him arrested, but not implicate him in 5/9. The main theory I've seen floated elsewhere is that the knock at the end of season 1 was the cops coming to arrest Elliot for stealing the dog (the dog had a chip) and for hacking the one guy. If that's what he was arrested for, it's ludicrous to think that he wouldn't very quickly become a massive suspect in 5/9. Again, you can jump the hoops all you want, but you have to have Elliot be in jail for something not serious, but serious enough to be in jail at the height of a terrorist attack, but not serious enough to draw attention to his role in 5/9. Mental institution works, jail does not. I'm not saying it's impossible for him to be in jail, I'm just saying it creates a lot of story problems trying to justify it. And again, what institution he's in is largely semantic. Most people wouldn't care which place makes the most sense, and I think it's at least somewhat possible USA forced a change from mental institution to jail (knowing most people wouldn't care). All of these same rituals would likely happen in a mental institution, and the group therapy actually plays better if it's not jail. But whatever, I don't really care.

And again, whatever you're saying above doesn't make sense. I said the close to 0% because I felt it was extremely unlikely he had been arrested for anything (due to the attention it would have brought him). If you can figure out what he was arrested for, you truly are a sage.

What are you even talking about? You somehow seem to think the problems of this hack are related to a relatively small amount of people. It's tanked the global economy, and people had their whole lives wiped out financially. A lot of resources are going to be needed to deal with that. If you think the cops are going to be out arresting people for kicking over mailboxes and stealing TVs at the early stage of this crisis, that's insane. This show is essentially treating this terrorist attack in a nearly opposite way to what The Siege did for some terrorists blowing up a bus. In that movie it was internment camps for all Muslims. In real life, 9/11 was much larger scale, and nothing like that happened, though everything still massively changed.

If you want to watch the world blow up, f*** with people's money. Ain't no one being nice at a bank, there would be riots the likes of which you've never seen. This is an extremely muted response to this type of crisis, and I'm still telling you the cops, courts, and prisons would have no time for anything petty because there would be so much of that. It's kind of like speeding on the highway. Everyone does it, but only a few get caught. When there is a lack of resources, you go for the big stuff, not the small stuff.

This show is filled with pretentious FPS, are you seriously that blind to it out of your love for it?

what gave it away? was it the scene where two people we know to be friends were clearly meeting for the first time, or the text message later in the episode that said 'MEET ME WHERE WE MET FOR THE FIRST TIME'?

Easily the worst episode so far this season. Who cares about lolDarlene, needs more Elliot.

I'm not sure if I got nunnehi's point, maybe he could expand on it a bit

yeah, that's really coming across in your posts.

Tyrell used his status to overrule gideon's putting a honeypot on the server, making the hack possible.

Deadwood is the most overrated tv show after The Wire.

I don't know, I think I like psychopath Darlene potential arc more than the recent Elliot stuff.

This show has been tripping too much this season.

This is the exact opposite of my reaction.

You are doing it wrong.

Tyrell did this after he was fired or after he knew he was passed over? Either way, I don't think he did it while he still was shooting for the CTO position. That makes Tyrell part of the Dark Army not work IMO, why would he try so hard to become CTO if he knew E-Corp would go to sht if he was in fact working with the DA the whole time.

I liked it. The first episode where everything was real....I think.

correct. he was fired already. his firing was when he apparently snapped & fully bought into the hack.

the only way a dark army connection makes sense, is if they were banking on him becoming CFO. it could explain the pressure he felt to do so.

I think his wife was driving his rise more than the Dark Army (if it was at all). It's kind of bizarre that she has such apparent strong feelings for him, since she told him she didn't want him to be part of the family in season 1.

didn't notice the first time around that the guy with the lawyer that dom questions about the shell casing found at the arcade was that guy darlene hooked up with in s01 when she stole the gun out of his safe.

looks like she may be burnt.

I am not saying Elliott is not on the standard POI list, just that it makes no sense for the police to suspect Elliott more because (1) he's in jail for something unrelated (2) he gets visited by other POIs in jail. I'd also like to point out that it not because the hack was linked to AllSafe that it came from AllSafe (from FBI POV). The FBI probably already knows someone was trying to hack AllSafe. If Angela's BF was being honest, he only told them about the CD and never that it was used. (=meaning that FBI knows that someone was trying to hack AllSafe, but not having much more to go on)

To summarize, you are trying to imply that Elliott being in jail and being visited by Gideon, Angela and Darlene suddenly should put him up as "number 1 suspect". Elliott is on a list of x people that are being closely watched, that is for sure. But your implication that it is so obvious that he is the number 1 suspect is ridiculous.

And me being a fan of the show has nothing to do with me attacking your post, I've posted major criticims on S2 in this topic plenty of times before. Your criticims just don't make a lot of sense.

Your whole argument is that you can't think of a scenario where it would be believable that he is in jail and that the FBI wouldn't be all over him, I understand. But imo your argument is ridiculous, especially taking into account that it is pretty easy to go to jail in USA. If it is revealed that he is in jail for something hacking related, you have a decent point. But we don't know.


Clearly the show still has something planned for Tyrell's wife. They wouldn't dedicate that much time to her struggle if it's simply about collecting severance package so that she can be comfortable for the rest of her life. It would be the definition of "we have this hot chick we want to keep on but we have no idea what storyline we can create for her", and I don't see Mr. Robot falling victim to that kind of crap.

We have also seen that Tyrell and his wife don't seem to care about money, all they want is power and achieve whatever goal they have been planning to achieve that required Tyrell becoming CTO. It is a lot more plausible that Tyrrell is somehow connected to the Dark Army and that he has a role to play in whatever Stage 2 of their plan is. Looking back on Tyrell and his wife their commitment to achieve their goals (murders, self-harm,...), it kind of reminds me of all these Dark Army members we've seen doing crazy dedicated **** lately. I am not saying that this has a high % of being true, just that it would make a lot more sense than the severance possibility.

But you can quote me on this in the future: if wife storyline is all about getting severance package so that she can be rich, that is ridiculously stupid.

Also, was it ever explained who Tyrell's ex-wife bodyguard is? We've seen him since the 1st episode iirc. I assume he was just some E-corps employee, but he clearly isn't. Seems a bit weird for Tyrell to have a personal bodyguard?



This is a completely different sort of terrorist attack than you are comparing it to, and is afaik unprecedented in the real world. If the population got the idea that the government had no control over the situation it would result in pure chaos. This is different after a classic terrorist attack such as 911, which is an event that "ends" nearly instantly. The "terrorist attack" of 5/9 does not end as long as Ecorps doesn't have its data back. The terrorist attack hasn't ended. I think you are underestimating the difference between a "blow x up" terrorist attack and a terrorist attack that has the power to collapse the entire economy. If the economy collapses completely, there is no country anymore. From what we have seen in the show the country is in economic chaos (as is to be expected), but it hasn't collapsed. We haven't seen any large riots (only protests), we haven't seen chaos in the streets, we haven't seen anything that points to large groups of people dying of hunger or w/e. The government would be doing everything in its power to show stability and control. This would include processing people who commit crimes.

And fwiw I know multiple cops in Brussels, after the terrorist attack there was nothing like what you are saying. They had a lot more shifts where they had to patrol in suspect or sensitive neighbourhoods, but also still had normal shifts. And their job remained more or less the same unless they had a very specific assignment. Including arresting people for stupid **** such as grabbing a purse.

Some scenarios where it is likely that Elliott is in jail for nothing related to hacking:

1/ Cops come to check for missing dog. They find drugs in appartment. Cops don't have any proof on dog thing so they don't charge on it.

2/ Elliott after 5/9 goes in a complete mental breakdown and starts heavily using. He does something stupid while on drugs, gets arrested, blabla.

3/ Missing dog guy confronts Elliott and gets violent on him. Mr Robot takes over and wrecks missing dog guy.

There can be a ton more, I don't know why you are saying that it would be completely implaussible given that we don't know **** about why he was jailed yet.



Like I said we have seen no proof of massive riots or looting. We don't know what the government is doing to supress all of it, but they're certainly doing something.

No, I have actually stated multiple times ITT that I hate a lot what this season is doing since it is raising so much pertinent questions that we don't have answers to. I just disagree with your criticisms you posted in your previous posts: they are ridiculous. I even posted my main major issues:

Only the third one has been resolved in a way that was somewhat satisfactory for me: they were just being dumb ****s. Possibly driven by Darlene her lust to get an opportunity to kill her. It is not the best answer, but I can live with it.

Last couple of episodes seem to point to that the investigation is on the very right track. I am very curious where they are going with this. If this is still a 4 or 5-season show like Esmail said during S1, that's still a lot of story to tell. Maybe they will bust a couple of fsociety and the others will go on the run or w/e.

wrong thread

I think Dom is on the right track, but her boss is a mole for the Chinese.

bbfg, I didn't care about your criticisms of my post, your tone bugged me. It was way over the top, so thanks for dialing it down. There's not much to bring up about your post, except to answer one question you had and tell you where I have a problem with believability.

1. The guy protecting Tyrell's wife appears to be FBI. I don't remember if they've said this, but this has been my impression since he first appeared. They're sponsoring her lifestyle I'm assuming as an informant. Of course, I could have this wrong because he also played an FBI agent running a hacker on House of Cards. If Tyrell is dead, she's of no use to them, and she has no lifestyle other than the severance (which would maybe last her a year I don't know). Tyrell also has no job, and is a major person of interest in a global cyber attack. He's probably not getting that severance if he returns, unless he can prove his innocence. She also said she wanted nothing to do with him, when things went south for him at E-Corp. So, if she knows he's dead, this is the only way she can preserve her lifestyle until the severance comes in. If he's dead, she's not getting the severance. So it would be in her best interest to not let on that she knows he's dead. This is sort of blown out of the water by the FBI agent (if that's what he is) being there when she was talking to the parking attendant (a guy who would maybe know what happened). This storyline is exceptionally confusing. If there's no point to it, it would be odd. But there have been a lot of odd decisions made on this show, and this guy hasn't exactly built a lot of trust with the audience no matter how much he thinks he has.

2. What I said about riots in this type of crisis is that I find that part of the show exceptionally unbelievable. People would be rioting, because everyone lost access to their money. You don't eff with people's money in the ol' U.S.A. The government could have a certain amount of control over the crisis, this is true, but people still wouldn't have access to their money. They showed long lines at banks, and a few people saying, "what do you mean I can't get my money?" If there were cash inside those banks, at all, people would be turning them over. As long as basic infrastructure remains, people tend to move on with their lives. If something as big as money is disrupted, nah, it would be full scale riots the likes of which we've never seen (hoping never to be proven right or wrong on this, obviously).