For Elliot and Tyrell to be the same person as it's been presented so far, would be a real stretch.

They both have far too much going on to be one (wife, high powered job, cold blooded murder, security job, worlds largest hack, morphine addiction). We saw nothing really but snatches of Mr robot outside of interactions with Elliot before it was revealed he was a delusion.

Tyrell has had way too much of a separate life/plot shown. I now however am intrigued by that scene where Tyrell meets Mr robot in that back of his car and says something like "I know your secret".



That scene with the wife was weird as well, loved it.

Also I think the shrink is up there in a lot of lists because she likes porn and anal.

Elliot went to Tyrell's office and asked for him, and the lady told him that he got fired. They can't be the same person unless that was a delusion.

Or he's also Tyrell's secretary.

but then who was the parrot

I came here for some explanations, but I leave more confused than I came...

This audience loss phenomenon is what I call the "LOST" phenomenon. Any show, and I mean ANY show that drags out mysteries since LOST left air has failed. That type of storytelling turns off viewers like you wouldn't believe these days. Pretty good shows like Alcatraz lost over half their audience within 5 or 6 episodes when they saw the same sort of trickery happening. Considering Mr. Robot already has a small audience, dragging stuff out adding mystery on top of mystery would become a problem quickly with the show next season.

A show like this would never get green lit on network TV, because they shy away from crazy "protagonists". Every show in recent memory with a crazy "protagonist" hasn't made it more than a few seasons on cable (Perception was probably the longest running one). The reason for that is that it becomes a depressing slog for the audience seeing how poorly things will turn out for the guy. In the case of Elliot, he's obviously not a true protagonist or even an anti-hero, so that gives the idea a little more leash. Still, over time those are a hard sell on cable, and a no go on network TV due to how polarizing they are (polarizing network shows don't get ad dollars).

Slow pony. I didn't even need to alter it to know that, and posted it yesterday.

Yeh I thought they made it pretty obvious the way his eyes flickered behind the mask.

I never was a fan of Lost, bailed on Hannibal, Under the Dome and the Blacklist after 1 season. For some reason the "networks" dumb down these shows so they become unwatchable. I think it has to do with advertisers and foreign syndication.

Mr. Robot is in unknown TV series territory and that is very refreshing. I hope they can keep the writing up because the acting is top notch.

Hannibal season 2 was amazing, Under the Dome was never intended to be more than crap, and The Blacklist was essentially a dumbed down clone of Person of Interest. The Blacklist was better in season 1, because it didn't take itself seriously. It did in season 2, and it made the show worse.

I'm not sure what you mean by unknown TV series territory for Mr. Robot.

*Are we really discussing Tyrell = Elliot because his wife was acting a bit weird and because Tyrell was missing? We know that his wife is a crazy calculated bitch and Elliott isn't the type of person she would expect to come look for Tyrell, she just reads the situation perfectly and tries to find out what Elliot knows. Any theory where Tyrell = Elliot is just stupid and would ruin the show. Tyrell is an established character with many connections and I'm certain this season would be full of plotholes if it was the case.

*I think that by far the most likely thing is that there is a White Rose/Tyrell connection and that they have a bigger plan and used Elliot as a pawn. Congo mines thing certainly wasn't coincidence. Gold will probably be re-established as a currency after the events of the finale.

*Who are candidates to be at the door? They wouldn't use that as a cliffhanger if it wasn't a significant event. It has to be someone like Tyrell right? Maybe Mr. Robot is alive afterall and it's him?

*Cinematography & music wise the finale was ****ing fantastic. I liked it a lot but I also was expecting that not everything would be "solved" in the finale.

*Pretty much every scene with crazy Elliott this episode was just fantastic.

They've tried very hard to distract us from the fairly obvious idea that Tyrell is at the very least connected to the Dark Army. That's probably a big reveal for them down the line that they're hoping the audience forgets about. The whole Steel Mountain scene would be just way too coincidental for my liking if that's not the case.

And again, there is a way for Tyrell to be Elliot. That way is for NOTHING to be real. That wouldn't be satisfying at all, would it?

Bunch of reasons as for why Tyrell and Elliot can't be the same person. One that comes to mind is how different Gideon interacts with both of them. He treats Elliot as an employee/friend and Tyrell as an employer.

How is this show doing ratings wise? Anyone else worried about this being on USA rather than netflix/hbo or similar?

Well if nothing is real this will end up being worse than Lost. Or wait, exactly the same? I'm not sure anymore . I guess it's a possibility but it would be really disappointing.

I don't think any TV series has ever dealt with an unreliable narrator which leaves so many questions and challenges (ie what is real?).

I hope the writer has a finite number or seasons/episodes in mind with a well thought out plot outline. Making it up as you go won't work here, its way too complex.

Breaking Bad's first season was only 7 episodes and averaged 1.23 MM viewers. I'm not sure the 20 somethings are even onboard with this show yet. I doesn't seem to have huge buzz.

I thought the creator said in an interview he has it planned out as a 4 season show

oh well
once again i visited this board very confused by an episode to find a helpfull nunn post basically explaining the whole plot to me.
for once its still very confusing which is nice i guess

Shayla is a ride or die chick. Loyal to the end.

Darlene tops the others cause she is portrayed as smart and rebellish; not just some dumb chick who rebels to look cool. She can hack it in the corporate but prefers the underground cause she independent.

Angela is portrayed as straight dumb; doesn't know what a rootkit is plus she was completely dumbfounded and escorted out of the presentation with E-corp. This means she is the type to rely on her looks to get make it in the world.

Naw I'm kidding.

Shayla is a dirty skank you would only use as a bottom chick.

Darlene smokes and does drugs not as much as Shayla but she is intelligent and does ballet.

Angela is a trophy wife and does ballet. Definitely would be a faithful chick. Dumb and easy to cheat on. .

Tyrell's wife is just straight insane and would be waiting to kill yo azz. Definitely the Black Widow type.

darlene is not attractive

she has fifteen layers of makeup just to make her look ok

It's low rated, but good enough to barely get renewed on cable for Live+Same Day. It does significantly better in DVR ratings, but I think that's all just PR babble from the cable channels saying "see people still watch us", since they've had massive audience erosion in the last 3 years as DVR has widened. Only FX is potentially using DVR numbers as a guide, as they've renewed a few shows that are pathetically low rated (though they tend to only do this for shows they like since there's no true precedent by them).

The good news for Mr. Robot was that USA was so excited by the show that they renewed it before it aired. That's basically never happened for them. However, I would say they're likely extremely disappointed by how it's performed. Most shows that start out with ratings like this on USA get new showrunners/creative directions for season 2 (because they want a season 3). This show is unique in that it would completely undermine the show to go a completely different direction. To me, the USA direction is the whole Angela b-storyline where she was trying to get Colby. They want to see more of that and less of Elliot's weirdness. Eventually they'll converge, but the more standard USA TV show vibe is in the Angela stuff. If there's a massive expansion in her storyline in season 2, it would kind of bear that idea out.

You're right about that, because networks and most cable networks don't want to touch that kind of show with a ten foot pole. It's extremely polarizing, and polarizing usually means a small audience or a rapidly leaving audience. It's a huge risk. Because Esmail wasn't really established, there are probably some lower budgets being used. However, NYC is a budget buster that's rarely been used on cable, so I'm not really sure what they're thinking about it. As I said before, this property would run forever (if they wanted) on Syfy. It's a pretty big risk for USA, because I'd say it has no better than a 50/50 chance of retaining a lot of its audience from the first season. This isn't a grow between seasons type of show no matter what you might hear from others.

He's planning it to be somewhere between 30 and 40 hours. He knows how it ends. Everything else is in play.

Breaking Bad and this show are apples and oranges for numerous reasons. First, Breaking Bad was an elite show the whole way. This show is often really good, but is still way derivative of a bunch of stuff. Breaking Bad was solely about drugs and a dying man's "desire" to take care of his family with expert skills he had in a business that wasn't used to that kind of skill.

This show is about a genius computer expert with some form of schizophrenia, who is using his "powers" to do something really bad while trying to justify it without really doing anything good in the long run. Walter was an okay guy who had a lot of things happen to turn him into a bad guy. Elliot's a bad guy who thinks it's okay because some people deserve it.

Breaking Bad started out polarizing, solely because of the premise (a lot of people stayed away because of it). This show had a really interesting premise, and it's what got people in the door. As the show moves further along without developing and paying off mysteries, it becomes more of a task for the average audience to watch. Shows like this play to a very narrow audience in general, and it's done nothing (by way of the finale) that's going to make people who aren't watching it say "oh damn, I gotta watch that". Even Breaking Bad took until maybe season 4 before people started giving it a big shot. It was only really popular in its last 8 episodes. Also, ratings expectations were lower on AMC at that time. They wanted award worthy shows, and Breaking Bad was absolutely that. It wasn't a show trying for awards when it came it, it just happened. Mr. Robot seems to be "trying" for awards rather than earning them without trying. It's just so heavily borrowed that the really knowledgeable people in the Academy will have some problems with it...not to mention it's a genre show (they hate those). I'm not saying it won't break through with some nominations, but I don't think it has any better of a shot than something like Hannibal. A big positive for it over a show like Hannibal is that it's a U.S. produced show.

As has been told to me on several occasions, Emmys are about buzz. This show has buzz, but it's coming out at the worst time of the season. Everything else will have aired after this for next year's awards. Very few Emmy nominated shows are on in the summer. The biggest contenders are usually still airing in May. I'd expect Mr. Robot to be a January or February show for season 2, because it would be idiotic for them to not try to capitalize on the buzz it has built. If it's not, then they're not expecting any real awards notice for Emmys.

The latest interview I read said 30 to 40 hours. He thinks it would be bad beyond that. My guess is it will probably run closer to 30 hours. I wonder if that means USA will stick to 10 episode seasons to string it out longer.

Darlene looks like Skylar.

The person at the door is probably just a pizza delivery guy with food that Elliot forgot he ordered.

Darlenes skinny ass can't touch Angela or the wife.

Imagine how sharp all those bones are.

I think its the FedEx guy with E Corp's encrypted data.

Elliot mailed it to himself.

Range of person at door:

fsociety team member
psychiatrist
Angela
Mr. Robot
Tyrell
Men in Suits
Elliot's boss
Elliot's coworkers
Delivery persons
Police
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