Surprised there is not yet a thread for this.

Great Netflix show produced by Fincher about 2 FBI agents in the 70s, starring Jonathan Groff and Holt McCallany:
In the late 1970s two FBI agents expand criminal science by delving into the psychology of murder and getting uneasily close to all-too-real monsters.

I'm 3 episodes, a couple of spoilerfree remarks:
The focus is on the 2 FBI agents and the development of psychology in the 70s. They interview locked up serial killers with the goal to learn about the mindset, motivation,... of active serial killers out there.

The interactions between the 2 FBI agents and the interview scenes with the serial killers have all been great so far. The pacing is quite slow but not in a bad way.

After the first 3 episodes I'm loving it. The interactions between the 2 FBI agents remind me of TD S1 from time to time (though the show is nothing like it) and overall the show is just very good/high quality. The only thing it's lacking is that it's not clear at all to me where this show is heading but it hasn't annoyed me yet, hopefully this will become clear in the next few episodes.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5290382/

Entertaining show but nothing special imho & trumpeting what is essentially pseudoscience as the BAU's work has been pretty much debunked over the years. Hopefully it goes into how John Douglas (Who Holden is based on) screwed up royally re the Green River Killer.

Through five eps and loving it. Episodes just fly by. Show is really well done, can't wait to finish. Guy playing Kemper is killing it.

He's REALLY good & quite like the real Kemper, not just in appearance but in demeanour too. I quite liked who played Brudos also.


Fun fact- the black agent being interviewed I'm wondering if the show goes into it in potentially later seasons.

Also re your gif, I'm not gonna get into some dumbass argument with you, but yeah BAU techniques are essentially pseudoscience.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...angerous-minds

Douglas used flawed methodology during his prison interviews, the UK police are prohibited from using BAU techniques as such techniques have been roundly debunked academically and again Douglas insisted a letter sent from Gary Ridgeway/Green River killer wasn't from the real killer. (it was)
http://www.seattlepi.com/local/artic...ay-1130823.php

He also all but named an alternate suspect in the murders causing the poor guy to have to go on on tv to deny it. He also made a lot of factual errors on other cases and seems to have a thing shilling for murderers lately in high profile cases in recent years.

So again I consider his techniques pseudocience & Douglas himself not a particularly valid source on anything, especially when he and his ex colleague Mark Olshaker label those who agree with court of law verdicts in other cases as actual Holocaust deniers. That said the show is still entertaining so we'll leave it at that, except I'll also respectfully suggest you research people before answering comments which you evidently disagree with, cheers.

Yep, good show. Hope they have more seasons lined up.

they do

all the prison interviews were riveting.


Fincher said that Season 2 of the show will be tackling at least one very famous case:

"“Next year we’re looking at the Atlanta child murders, so we’ll have a lot more African-American music which will be nice. The music will evolve. It’s intended to support what’s happening with the show and for the show to evolve radically between seasons.”

Corpus, I know plenty about Douglas and his techniques. I'd also rather jump off a building than get into any sort of discussion with you. Cheers!

Re: S2 great news!

Something doesn't have to be academically verified to be considered useful. And it's also not because something is """academically debunked""" that it should be considered useless.

I was actually interested in the history aspect of this show but your aggressive posts itt have totally turned me off about it. I'll just enjoy the show .

Not sure if you're kidding, but don't let him deter you. Fascinating stuff.

Lots of great reading.

Then you know the amount of factual errors he's made on cases to go with his flawed incorrect profiles (serial killers Arthur Shawcross & Gary Ridgeway by way of examples), his shilling for either convicted child murderers or suspected ones among other criminals & flawed pseudo scientific & academically debunked methods, glad we got that sorted, cheers.

Oh, you.
Back atcha mate, back atcha.

Yep the show itself is decent if taken at face value & I'm intrigued to see if they'll eventually take it to 2005 & Radar's eventual capture, seeing as they keep alluding to him throughout this season.

Not saying it's not "useful" in a broad abstract sense, it's simply not the holy grail that TV makes it out to be, via this & Criminal Minds.

Again UK police are prohibited from using such techniques so its validity/lack thereof goes beyond mere abstract.

I wasn't being aggressive and apologies if I offended you. I simply regard BAU methodology as ultimately educated guesswork. Their initial profiling was pure pigeonholing, with their claim of serial killers being invariably white loners in their 20s who continue to kill until captured or die. Serial killers have come from all backgrounds, ages and social status with some not beginning to murder until in their 50s and others indeed indeed stopping such as BTK for example, or else stopping for significant time periods of years, such as the Original Night Stalker or Monster of Florence.

Robert Ressler, who Trench is based upon erroneously claimed that serial killers were virtually unknown before the 1950s, which is completely untrue, there were quite a slew of them in the 20s, 30s & 40s & indeed in the 19th century also.
Most serial killers have been caught via detective work anyway rather than purely profiling, which the show to its credit alludes to.

As for enjoying the show for what it is, I've no problem at all with that and I found it solidly entertaining stuff, cheers.

such a stupid name for a show, totally thought it was something for the young adult crowd. since you guys like it I'll give it a shot.

It's based on his book. What made you think young adult?

If you liked Silence Of The Lambs, you'll love this. It lives in that world.

Didn't think this season ended all that well but overall was quite good. Well worth my time.

Kemper definitely the best part of the show.

4 episodes in and I'm loving it

Probably because it sounds like Shadowhunters, another Netflix original that's crap.

same here.

Thought it got more and more interesting as things built up and characters were given time to develop.

Agree Kemper was phenomenal though.

Holy binge, Batman! Can't wait for more.

It's considered useless because it's useless. Douglas never helped to catch a single killer and positively obstructed some cases. His methods are voodoo and British police are forbidden to use them because they're useless. Well, worse than useless because they tend to send police after the wrong people.

Criminal investigation is not a show put on for your enjoyment.

i'm glad you guys like it, i binged it over the weekend, and like i said in the general thread i found it to be pretty boring(nothing really happens).

i'll probably watch future seasons because i like the subject matter.

also that it is a pseudo-science really isnt that important to the show. Most forensics are also pseudo-science but they have plenty of shows as well.

Two episodes in and super enjoying it. I can see the general public not really liking it though. Also, I'm really glad there's a skip-intro button.

https://debunkingdenialism.com/2013/...ing-deception/

http://www.mun.ca/psychology/brl/pub...8_illusion.pdf

Nothing happens? That's absurd. Did you expect Michael Bay type action?

Too much talk, not enough explosions!

Corpus and 57: take that **** elsewhere. Thanks.

Gosh for someone who said he'd rather jump off a building than discuss things with me, you sure do proactively respond to posts and mention people a lot.

I get that you're a slave to a fraudulent narrative and a good story, long as it feels right, facts & evidence be damned, you've already thoroughly proven that with your insanity on the JFK & making a murderer threads. I get that you're easily impressed with cool sounding pseudo science. I get you don't like bothersome facts bursting your phizazz bubble... And that's really just too bad mate but you have my sympathies fwtw. And use the ignore function rather than dictate to people where they can & cannot post, cheers.

I'm simply asking you to stop, def not engaging in discussion. Cheers!